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Let GM go Bankrupt

 
 
marsz
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 12:37 am


McCain will lead GOP opposition to ‘cash-for-clunkers’
By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 08/02/09 10:44 AM [ET]
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) will lead Republican opposition to the popular cash-for-clunkers program in an attempt to block additional funding when it comes up for consideration in the Senate this week.

The House voted 316 to 109 Friday to pour $2 billion more into the program, which has proved so popular that it is running out of money before anticipated end-date in November.

But Republican senators, led by McCain, will try to block it.

“My children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for these cars and we’re helping auto dealers while there are thousands of other small businesses that aren’t getting the help,” said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) during an appearance on Fox News Sunday. “The role of the federal government is not to run the used car business.”

“We’re definitely going to debate it and I’ve heard that John McCain is going to stand up and try to stop it and I’m going to work with him every way that I can,” he said. “This is crazy to try to rush this thing through again.”

"I just think this is a great example of the stupidity that's coming out of Washington right now, and I think Americans realize the numbers that we're throwing around don't work," DeMint added.

DeMint declined to say whether Republicans would be able to mount a successful filibuster to halt the legislation.

Cash-for-clunkers or the Car Allowance Rebate System, as it is formally known, offers consumers up to $4,500 in subsidies for trading in old car and trucks for new vehicles with higher gas mileage.

The House approved new funding for the program after White House officials warned that the $1 billion initially allocated would soon run out. Auto dealers are estimated to have sold 250,000 new vehicles because of the federal incentive.

Some Senate Democrats would like to appropriate even more money than what the House approved last week.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), the vice chairman of the Senate Democratic conference, has called on Congress to infuse $4 billion into the program.

Other Democrats such as Sen. Claire McCaskill (Mo.), however, say they will oppose another $2 billion for cash-for-clunkers, setting up a potentially tough vote this week.

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/5714984/
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 09:29 am
We now have a clunker administration. Its called the Obama Administration.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 09:30 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

We now have a clunker administration. Its called the Obama Administration.


Lame

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 02:48 pm
And the beat goes on. . . .

Quote:
AP 8-4-09--WASHINGTON " The Obama administration is refusing to quickly release government records on its "cash-for-clunkers" rebate program that would substantiate " or undercut " White House claims of the program's success, even as the president presses the Senate for a quick vote for $2 billion to boost car sales.

The Transportation Department said it will provide the data as soon as possible but did not specify a time frame or promise release of the data before the Senate votes whether to spend $2 billion more on the program. . . .

. . . .LaHood, the program's chief salesman, has pitched the rebates as good for America, good for car buyers, good for the environment, good for the economy. But it's difficult to determine whether the administration is overselling the claim without seeing what's being sold, what's being traded in and where the cars are being sold.

LaHood, for example, promotes the fact that the Ford Focus so far is at the top of the list of new cars purchased under the program. But the limited information released so far shows most buyers are not picking Ford, Chrysler or General Motors vehicles, and six of the top 10 vehicles purchased are Honda, Toyota and Hyundai.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cash_for_clunkers_transparency
roger
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 03:02 pm
@Foxfyre,
I don't see it making any difference what cars are being traded for. It's a bad idea, and I think we've covered most of them. Actually, I'm almost surprised that the offer isn't limited to car companies with large taxpayer and union ownership.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 03:07 pm
@roger,
I don't like the program on several levels.

typical government quick fix with pork...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 03:13 pm
@roger,
I agree it is a bad idea though I don't fault anybody for taking advantage of it. At least almost all who are benefitting are bonafide tax payers. The unfair part, however, is that taxpayers who bought 'polluting' 'ungreen' 'energy ineffecicent' cars are the ones being rewarded. Those who bought the 'cleaner', 'greener', "energy efficient' cars are ineligble for the program and are, in effect, being punished by having to subsidize the others.

The only reason what cars they're buying make a difference is 'truth in advertising' about how much the program is actually helping the economy as they add billions more to it. Obviously American manufactured cars/parts etc. would give us the greater bang for the buck there.

Cutting government expenses and bringing down the deficit would have given us a whole lot more bang for our buck than the government spending the peoples' money on much of anything though.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 04:01 pm
@Foxfyre,
Sure. It's the same as cramming down mortgage payments. It's very unfair to those who determined what they could afford, and kept up the payments. Anyway, you get what you pay for. If you pay for bad decisions, you get more bad decisions.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 04:04 pm
@roger,
I should add, I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of it either. If we go out to dinner and agree to split the check evenly, I'm having the steak and lobster*.

*Actually, I gag at the thought, but you get the idea.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 05:42 pm
@roger,
You're on for steak (or prime rib or bar-b-que or whatever), but let's don't have lobster. The method to prepare them is just too cruel.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:32 pm
@Foxfyre,
Not only that, they look remarkably like large bugs.
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marsz
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:12 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/04/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5211211.shtml

DeMint: Gov't 'Out of Control' on Clunkers
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(CBS)The fate of the "Cash for Clunkers" program will be decided this week, depending on whether or not the Senate votes before leaving for its August recess.

Senate Democrats are struggling to win over enough reluctant Republicans to pass a $2 billion extension of the popular rebate program that gives consumers up to $4,500 to trade in their old gas guzzlers for more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Senator Jim DeMint, R-S.C., has been an outspoken opponent of the program, calling it on Sunday indicative of the "stupidity that's coming out of Washington right now."

On CBS' "Early Show" Tuesday, DeMint said, "This was another program that was rushed through without even reading the bill language. It was actually attached to an emergency war supplemental bill."

DeMint argued that the program is an example of government at its worst. "The dealers tell me it's been so mismanaged they have no idea when and if they're going to get their money," he told "Early Show" anchor Maggie Rodriguez.

Nonetheless, automakers are crediting the program with working too well: auto sales are up, and some dealers are actually complaining that they don’t have enough cars to sell as inventories " stymied by plant shut-downs " are depleted.

"If we give away free money, people will buy cars," said DeMint. "But what about appliances, and heat pumps, and TVs? The problem here is instead of across-the-board tax cuts that would have the same effect on our whole economy, the federal government is trying to run a particular business by targeting just the auto industry here with this bill. That's not what the federal government is all about.

"And for us to rush through $1 billion and then say, 'Well, we don't know exactly what happened, but it's out of money after one week, so let's have $2 billion more!' this is just an out-of-control government at the federal level now, and we need to stop and see what we've done.

"It just doesn't make any sense to keep rushing through bills, borrowing money from our children, and then saying, 'Shazam, we've sold some cars!'" .
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:17 pm
@marsz,
very interesting cut and paste Possum, couldn't find anything by Sowell?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 11:59 pm
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=640984

"Will 'cash for clunkers' tank the used car market?

Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 8/13/2009 6:00:00 AMAn analyst at a conservative think tank in Washington, DC, predicts the "cash for clunkers" program will distort the used car market and harm small business owners.

Now that Congress has approved an additional $2 billion for the cash for clunkers program, the government expects up to 750,000 used cars will be scrapped in exchange for new ones. Some analysts are warning the program will have a detrimental effect on the used car market and low- to middle-income families who buy those vehicles.

Nick Loris, an energy and environment researcher at The Heritage Foundation, calls it a basic issue of supply and demand.

"Because the clunkers have to be destroyed, the program would distort the used car market by reducing the supply and then forcing the prices to increase," he explains. "And to make matters worse, this really affects small business owners the most, because a lot of the clunkers being traded in are used trucks that small business owners will usually pick up -- but they can't afford to buy new ones, even after the $4,500 rebate."

Loris says since the clunkers program has created a glut of new car sales, when the program ends there may be a bursting of the auto industry bubble, much like the recent housing bust.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 09:54 am
Wow, GMAC is going to likely get another round of money from the Government. Needless to say, I think this is BS and the wrong decision.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Treasury-GMAC-in-talks-for-apf-1495891587.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
Quote:


Treasury, GMAC in talks for 3rd round of US aid
Treasury says auto lender GMAC in talks for billions more in taxpayer funds to boost capital


NEW YORK (AP) -- GMAC, the former lending arm of General Motors Co., is in talks with the Treasury Department for a third injection of taxpayer aid, a further sign of the U.S. government's entrenchment in the U.S. auto industry.


AP - File - In this file photo taken Thursday, April 30, 2009, a GMAC sign is shown at a ...
The Treasury Department mandated earlier this year that GMAC Financial Services raise an additional $11.5 billion in capital after undergoing a "stress test" along with 18 other banks. While other banks deemed undercapitalized have been able to raise funds from private investors, GMAC has been forced to go back to the government.

GMAC is a crucial player in the U.S. auto industry, providing wholesale financing to many General Motors and Chrysler dealerships to pay for the vehicles on their lots. The company also operates a mortgage lending unit -- Residential Capital -- which has been pummeled by the housing market downturn. It also runs an insurance unit and an online banking unit called Ally Bank.

A Treasury Department spokesman confirmed that it was in talks with GMAC about a third helping of aid. The government already owns a 35 percent stake in GMAC after providing $12.5 billion to the lender. It also owns a majority-stake in GM and a smaller stake in Chrysler.

The Treasury spokesman declined to comment on whether the government's ownership stakes in GM and Chrysler make it more willing to again help prop up GMAC. But Kirk Ludtke, a senior vice president of CRT Capital Group LLC in Stamford, Conn., who follows GMAC, said the automakers can't succeed without GMAC.

"We continue to believe that a viable GMAC is critical to the success of GM and Chrysler," Ludtke said.

Citing people familiar with the matter, The Wall Street Journal first reported late Tuesday that the U.S. government could hand over another $2.8 billion to $5.6 billion to Detroit-based GMAC. The latest capital infusion would be in the form of preferred stock, the paper said. The government's stake could rise if the new preferred shares were ever converted into common stock.

A GMAC spokeswoman declined to comment.

Of the 19 banks that underwent the government's stress tests, 10 were determined to be undercapitalized. GMAC is the only one of those unable to raise all of its necessary capital from investors.

Treasury's move would make GMAC the only U.S. company to receive three rounds of bailout aid. Last December, the government gave GMAC $5 billion in exchange for 5 million shares and GMAC's agreement to extend financing services to bailed-out Chrysler LLC. Then in May, the Treasury Department announced a new $7.5 billion injection for GMAC -- short of the $11.5 billion the government's stress test showed the company would need to stay afloat if the economy worsens.

To help GMAC raise the remaining capital, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. took the rare step earlier this year of allowing the junk-rated company to gain access to the FDIC's debt guarantee program. The FDIC agreed to guarantee up to $7.4 billion in GMAC-issued debt in case the company defaulted on payment, and has already backed about $4.5 billion worth.

According to the paper, the FDIC told GMAC Tuesday that it would guarantee the remaining $2.9 billion in debt to prevent the company from being forced to reduce its lending volume.

GMAC in August posted a wider second-quarter loss of $3.9 billion. Midway through the quarter, GMAC became the preferred lender for Chrysler. Last week, the Treasury Department informed Chrysler's former lender, Chrysler Financial, that it would have to shut down by the end of 2011.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 10:46 am
@maporsche,
violating the majorities wishes and propping up Chrysler and GM also is not going so well. It appears that a sizable chunk of America is voting with their wallets, refusing to buy their products. In the case of Chrysler it so far appears that the fears have been realized that tiny Fiat would not be up to the job of running the much larger Chrysler.

Somebody last week theorized that Obama never intended the bailouts to work, that the intent was to kick the can down the road, unwind both GM and Chrysler when the economy was stronger and more able to deal with their demise.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 10:50 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
tiny Fiat
interesting, Fiat is the world's 6th largest carmaker.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 11:02 am
@dyslexia,
in 2007 they both sold about 2M units, from the get go it was wondered how fiat had the management resources to take on Chrysler. So far it looks like they don't....the dealers are fuming that Fiat has of yet not put out a plan, and is not responsive.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 11:58 am
@hawkeye10,
It could be hawk, and I'm not saying it is, that it was necessary to get the dealers fuming rather than smirking and that an American management was incapable of doing it. That to straighten things out it was expedient to bring in a foreign team which thought of the inevitable protests in the same way they do the Atlantic waves lapping against their beaches.

It is a capitalist's principle that if there are no protests they are having it too good.

Fuming is not very effective 3000 miles away.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 12:03 pm
@spendius,
It will certainly be interesting to see Alfa Romeo as the flagship at the local Chrysler dealer.
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