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Let GM go Bankrupt

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 04:38 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

cyclops, you need to keep i mind, foxy is sensitive, especially sensitive in the arena of being wrong, foxy is never wrong but is often misunderstood. her net step will be to accuse you of Ad Hominem attacks on her girdle size.


That's too large a subject for me to tackle head-on.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 04:42 pm


Why do A2Ks liberals constantly resort to irrelevant personal attacks on those they disagree with and those they can't tackle head-on ?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 04:51 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

how successful has George Soros been?
Forbes lists Soros as the 29th-richest person in the world, with a net worth estimated at $11.0 billion. Soros has given $6 billion to various causes since 1979. Got something against success Foxy?


but dys... it's george soros!! Laughing
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 04:52 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Why do A2Ks liberals constantly resort to irrelevant personal attacks on those they disagree with and those they can't tackle head-on ?
yeah, why is that dick-head?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:00 pm
@dyslexia,
Come on dys. It can't be denied that Foxy, and I find it quite charming, does tend to make herself the subject of the discussion.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:14 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Come on dys. It can't be denied that Foxy, and I find it quite charming, does tend to make herself the subject of the discussion.
Quote:
yes,I assume you find foxy charming, she presents zero credibility while offering non-substantiation for any of her"points of view"she is for all intents, a liar.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:22 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

spendius wrote:

Come on dys. It can't be denied that Foxy, and I find it quite charming, does tend to make herself the subject of the discussion.
Quote:
yes,I assume you find foxy charming, she presents zero credibility while offering non-substantiation for any of her"points of view"she is for all intents, a liar.


Ah. Liars. Spendi's forte.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:22 pm
@dyslexia,
Everybody else does that. Why do you make an exception for Foxy?

Ladies don't play by your rules you know.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:23 pm
@spendius,
Drunk Mr. Green Laughing
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
Tell me where I lied Ed. I have thousands of posts for you to choose from.

Prove your assertion. Just making up assertions is for washerwomen and they have the right.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:26 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Just making up assertions is for washerwomen and they have the right.


As does everyone else.
Sorry if you find that fact uncomfortable.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:37 pm
@mysteryman,
Oh no. Men don't have the right.

The biological facts rule it out entirely. It is irrelevant what makes me uncomfortable. I'm surprised that a bloke should think such a matter worthy of comment. Are you emotionally disposed to the comfort zone mm?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 05:44 pm
@spendius,
I have not followed this thread. I know about your habit of lying from the evolution/ID threads.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 07:11 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Everybody else does that. Why do you make an exception for Foxy?

Ladies don't play by your rules you know.


He doesn't even play by his rules. Unless I copy and paste somebody else's words, he will usually accuse me of making it up or lying. He often does that if I DO copy and paste somebody else's words. He doesn't apply the same rules of the road to himself of course. He will probably deny hoping that in effect I just curl up and die as I am apparently not worthy to comment on anything at all. But oh well.

You don't actually expect them to give you a chance to defend yourself, do you Spendi?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 07:26 pm
Speaking of defending, are you going to defend this post, Fox?

http://able2know.org/topic/125364-22#post-3666773

You didn't respond when I pointed out how factually incorrect you were. Or perhaps you were talking about someone else?

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 07:29 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Yes.

There is only one reason Democrats are arguing against such a result:

UNIONS

The most reliable, best buys for the money cars in America are manufactured in the South by foreign companies.

Why?

The South is not in the thrall of unions.






And that's a fact!!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 07:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I was just listening to a resume of the new 'Car Tzar' appointed to direct GM for the forseeable future. With the possibility that I am not remembering it all 100% correctly, the gist was something like this:

He is 33 years old and has never held a private sector job, at least that anybody knows about. He was a law school drop out. He has no training or experience in economics, manufacturing, retailing, wholesaling, or the auto industry of any kind, and his only marketing experience has been in a leftwing, George Soros funded think tank that specializes in promoting Democratic talking points. He did work on the Obama campaign and I think they said he was working in the administration at the time of his appointment.

That should make everybody feel better about their investment in General Motors, yes?


Hey Fox. Whoever you are listening to? They don't know what the **** they are talking about. And here you are repeating their dreck without bothering to do even the most basic fact-checking.

The following search on Google took .11 seconds to come up -

Quote:
Steven Rattner
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Steven "Steve" Lawrence Rattner is an American financier and private equity investor. He is one of the four founding partners of the private investment firm Quadrangle Group, which invests media and communications companies globally. On February 23, 2009, the Wall Street Journal announced that Rattner would be named to the Treasury Department as auto industry adviser The New York Times reported that he would be lead advisor and leader of the industry group for Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.[1]

A graduate of Brown University, Rattner started his career as a reporter with The New York Times, first at the Washington bureau, where he became close friends with Times' ownership-family member Arthur Sulzberger, who also was at the time working as a reporter; and then at the London bureau. Subsequently, Rattner quit journalism and joined Morgan Stanley, where he founded their Communications Group. In 1989 he joined Lazard as a General Partner; he founded their Media and Communications Group. In 1997 he became Lazard's deputy chairman and Deputy CEO, a new position. He stepped down from those positions in 1999, and left Lazard in 2000, with three other partners in that firm, to found the Quadrangle Group.

Rattner is married to Maureen White, the former National Finance Chair for the Democratic Party. He has four children.


I mean, could you be more wrong? Is it possible?

Perhaps you are referring to someone else besides the 'car czar?' GM is now being ran by Fritz Waggoner, their former COO. Who the hell are you talking about?

I think you need to recheck your source on this one.

Cycloptichorn


I wasn't talking about Rattner. I was talking about Brian Deese.

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Here's the one thing and there's absolutely nothing funny about it: the wunderkind in charge of saving our auto industry is a 31-year-old with about as much experience as a summer intern.

Despite having no formal business education, no business experience and no auto industry experience, 31-year-old Brian Deese is now in charge of dismantling General Motors.

So what does this guy's resume look like? It should be impressive, considering he's managing America's $458,000 per day involuntary investment.

Deese grew up in a Boston suburb, the son of a political science professor at Boston College. He moved to Vermont and attended Middlebury College, where he studied political science and also took time to host a campus radio show called "Bedknobs and Beatniks," described in one write-up as "a format of music, news, discussion and banter."

He graduated college in 2000 and then it was onto a pair of non-profit think tanks: the Center for Global Development and the Center for American Progress.

Eventually Deese went to Yale for a law degree, but a few credits short of graduating, he went "on leave" to work on Senator Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, quickly becoming her top economic policy staffer.

Last summer, Deese moved to the Obama campaign as a deputy economic policy director and, just before this current gig, he served on Obama's transition team as an economic adviser.

He was apparently the only full-time member of the auto task force from election night until about Valentine's Day, which Deese says was, "a little scary."

What should be more than a little scary for GM, much less the American people, is that however smart Deese may be, he has literally no private sector experience; he is not formally trained in economics or business; and, according to The Times, he "never spent much time flipping through the endless studies about the nature of the American and Japanese auto industries."

In fact, until a few months ago, the closest Deese came to an automobile plant, was sleeping in a GM parking lot, where Pontiac G5s have been made since the plant's 1960s heyday.

By the way, thanks to Deese's plan, there won't be a Pontiac anymore.

So, this is what one of those "uniquely qualified" geniuses handpicked by President Obama look like.

Feeling good about your investment, America?

With only one out of five Americans supporting the auto bailout in the first place; I wonder what kind of support there is for the inexperienced Brian Deese to tinker with the auto industry and change capitalism? I'm not an economist, but, like Deese, I am "on leave" from Yale. So I guess that makes me "uniquely qualified" to take a guess at the number: zero.

Which, ironically, is just a hair less than what GM's stock is now worth.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524757,00.html
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 11:39 pm
The 31-Year-Old in Charge of Dismantling G.M.


okie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 12:01 am
@Butrflynet,
Yes, some excerpts:

“There was a time between Nov. 4 and mid-February when I was the only full-time member of the auto task force,” Mr. Deese, a special assistant to the president for economic policy , acknowledged recently as he hurried between his desk at the White House and the Treasury building next door. “It was a little scary.”

....

"Mr. Deese’s role is unusual for someone who is neither a formally trained economist nor a business school graduate , and who never spent much time flipping through the endless studies about the future of the American and Japanese auto industries. "
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 01:25 am
from the nyt article that butterfly posted;

Quote:
While far more prominent members of the administration are making the big decisions about Detroit, it is Mr. Deese who is often narrowing their options.
A month ago, when the administration was divided over whether to support Fiat’s bid to take over much of Chrysler, it was Mr. Deese who spoke out strongly against simply letting the company go into liquidation, according to several people who were present for the debate.


not quite a czar.

since there's little bit of fuss about his age, it's worth noting that the CEOs who let the place burn down were way over deese's 31 years old. gotta tell ya folks, the country has some severe problems that could become devastation if we don't work together. in which case pol parties and culture wars won't mean a hell of a lot.

if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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