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California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

 
 
Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 12:00 pm
@spendius,
You mean to suggest that a Judge is making him or herself look foolish by nullifying an election that took away the civil liberties of millions? Please, I pray you explain that rationale if you're able.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 12:07 pm
@izzythepush,
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I thought he was in Beverly Hills Cop.


That was ReinHOLD in the BH movies, using his stage name of Judge. He was born Edward Ernest Reinhold, Jr. At the age of 25 he tried, unconvincingly, to portray a teenager in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. He looked about 30.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 12:10 pm
@spendius,
No more than your love of your posts on a2k. Your addiction is worse, because many have criticized you for your inability to use English properly, you talk in riddles, and can't support your arguments with logic and common sense. Stay with the issue under discussion; sex has nothing to do with most of it.

If you are confused, just glance at the title of the thread you wish to post on; that's a good clue about the topic.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 12:29 pm
@Sturgis,
Thank you Sturgis, you've saved the day. I'll never make that mistake again.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 01:05 pm
@spendius,
In my inexpert eyes as I gaze, wistfully at times and inordinately grateful at others, on what I get to see of the American scene, it seems as if Judge Reinhardt's is unaware that when his lot come to power there will be no judges to reverse any executive decisions because they will choose to be well-evolved rubber stamps rather than be chucked out on the street ass first.

I sometimes get a sense that there is an inevitabilty about it once a Monarch has been dispensed with. One that is dearly loved by all right thinking people is the best. A Child of Kings at the helm steadying the ship. One to die for. Unless, of course one can arrange circumstances such that no test is applied. Which is not always possible.

We all know that the top spot is taken. Without a loved and gracious Monarch it is bound to happen that strident nationalism will replace it. A Monarch is never talked about as Presidents and aspiring presidents often are. Or asked bloody silly questions by bloody silly people for the entertainment of a bloody silly audience of gawping wannabees whose opinions lurch in the direction of the last telling put-down or inexcusable gaffe.

My reflex reaction to Judge Reinhardt's decision is "what's the ****** up to?" Once Yossarian had said it it couldn't be unsaid. He's bound to be a wily old bird to have got where he is. And he will have been pondering the matter a fair long while. He might, at his age, be thinking legal fun is the only fun left. I would be thinking along those lines. What would I care if Californian men were ******* each other up hill and down dale morning noon and night until the cows come home and holding hands across the table in a candlelit restaurant on St Valentine's night?

Sometimes legislation rebounds on those fighting to get it.

Take prohibition.

I don't think anything will surprise us about California. Some famous English writer who worked there for a while said that a new form of humanity was being created in California. I do take that into account ci. when I am responding to you.

Anyway--we were told by CBS that there will be no homosexual unions given official recognition as "marriage" until the USSC settles the matter in a few years so there is no result from his decision within the sort of timescales the judge is most concerned about.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 01:15 pm
@spendius,
I forgot to say that CBS added that those who had got in whilst the door was ajar, numbers of thousands, 17 maybe, or 27, were safe and could legally call themselves married and get all the benefits ordinary married blokes get such as constant nagging and having all their wages wasted on fripperies and gee-gaws.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 01:45 pm
@Questioner,
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You mean to suggest that a Judge is making him or herself look foolish by nullifying an election that took away the civil liberties of millions? Please, I pray you explain that rationale if you're able.


The rationale is that you cannot, morally, philosophically, religiously, scientifically or legally use the "millions" sledghammer to bully me. Civil liberties are about the "one". Principles in this field do not recognise numbers.

He has decided that an election is null and void. It isn't null and void of course because no more of those sham marriages will be taking place for a long time. Which I assume the judge knew was the case after taking soundings. He has nudged the project nearer to the USSC. (According to CBS I mean).

We are on another level now. Judges nullifying democratic votes on the grounds that they took away the civil liberties of somebody.

The homosexual lobby didn't get its case over on Prop 8. It lost. Wouldn't homosexuals be better advised to use their limited energies to get their act together for next time.

The Judge has antagonised democrats. (small d).

Which civil liberties do you have in mind? The liberty to steal another settled group's title as they did another famous word thus besmirching its use in traditional English literature. They have all the rest we have other than that. And are probably more sensitive about them than average.

Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 01:58 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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You mean to suggest that a Judge is making him or herself look foolish by nullifying an election that took away the civil liberties of millions? Please, I pray you explain that rationale if you're able.


The rationale is that you cannot, morally, philosophically, religiously, scientifically or legally use the "millions" sledghammer to bully me. Civil liberties is about the "one". Principles in this field do not recognise numbers.


Horseshit. When a blatant label of 'right' and 'wrong' is applied to a lifestyle option that 1) doesn't break the law and 2) doesn't cause others to break the law it's simple discrimination. And discrimination is by NO means about the "one".

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He has decided that an election is null and void. It isn't null and void of course because no more of those sham marriages will be taking place for a long time. Which I assume the judge knew was the case after taking soundings. He has nudged the project nearer to the USSC. (According to CBS I mean).


Sham marriages. I would LOVE for you to point out the differences between marriages between opposite sexes and two same sexes. And please bring in the BS about 'sanctity of marriage' less than 4 months after the Kardashian circus.

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We are on another level now. Judges nullifying democratic votes on the grounds that they took away the civil liberties of somebody. The homosexual lobby didn't get its case over on Prop 8. It lost. Wouldn't homosexuals be better advised to use their limited energies to get their act together for next time.


We were already on another level when we allowed an issue to go to vote that the public had no business voting on. The matter is one of liberty and freedom, not one of 'public opinion'.

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Which civil liberties do you have in mind? The liberty to steal another settled group's title as they did another famous word thus besmirching its use in traditional English literature. They have all the rest we have other than that. And are probably more sensitive about them than average.


Typical straw man. No, the Liberty to marry a partner of your own damn choosing. I can guarantee that the majority of the people that voted for Proposition 8 only care about the English words 'sin', 'hell', and 'gaymos'.

Your argument is as full of dung as Prop 8 was.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:07 pm
@Questioner,
You wrote,
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We were already on another level when we allowed an issue to go to vote that the public had no business voting on. The matter is one of liberty and freedom, not one of 'public opinion'.


Especially since it's about taking away equal rights from a group that people do not agree with. That's not democracy, that's imposing their religious beliefs that has no place in the US, and overlooking the Constitutional protections "that all men are created equal."

No group of citizens can take away equal rights from another group based on "because they are gay." That's how ignorant American voters can be.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:35 pm
@Questioner,
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I would LOVE for you to point out the differences between marriages between opposite sexes and two same sexes.


So would I but I think I shouldn't ought to by going any further than I have gone already.

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And discrimination is by NO means about the "one".
Oh yes it is. Jesus is there to remind everyone of that.

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We were already on another level when we allowed an issue to go to vote that the public had no business voting on.


Then Propositions are unconstitutional. And the homosexual lobby ratified Prop 8 by a 48% turnout. They are only squawking because they lost. In what way had the public no business proposing it and voting on it?

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Typical straw man.

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Your argument is as full of dung as Prop 8 was.


Typical foam from the fingertips.

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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 12:09 am
Washington lawmakers pass gay-marriage bill

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/08/10355280-washington-lawmakers-pass-gay-marriage-bill

I guess it is okay to call it "gay marriage" but mot people prefer "marriage equality".
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 12:51 am
@RexRed,
Nothing wrong with the name, "gay marriage." I watched the proceedings on Prop 8 late last night, and found the attorneys speaking against this prop as very capable lawyers on the specifics of why Prop 8 is unconstitutional. Gays and lesbians have all the rights of parenthood in California, so the fear that children will get the wrong message isn't even supported by any precedence.

Even the wording of Prop 8 is misleading, and doesn't address why voters can allow unequal treatment of a group based on sexual orientation.

Their fear is unfounded.

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 05:31 am
@RexRed,
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"I would like for our four children ... to grow up understanding that their daddy and papa have made the kind of lifelong commitment to each other," Pedersen said. "Marriage is the word we use in our society to convey that idea."


He's citing the "till death us do part" idea in a society with a 50% divorce rate and contracts being drawn up before the ceremony agreeing the share-out if the "lifelong" part becomes inconvenient.

What is his distinction between daddy and papa? Where does "our" four children come from. Have these kids been bought?

Mr Pedersen was financially supported by the "Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund when he was elected. What's the distinction between Gay and Lesbian. Are we to assume that "Gay" is the word we use in our society to convey the idea of male homosexuality in general or that having a lifelong commitment?

Language is getting a bit slippery it seems to me.

Mr Pedersen refers to Speaker Frank Chopp and Senator Ed Murray as "seatmates". The Democratic primary in 2006 was effectively the election in downtown Seattle's 43rd District because Republicans have no chance. Mr Pedersen won that primary against 5 other Democrats with 23% of the vote. His nearest rival getting 22%. He has been unopposed in the two "elections" since then.

Which means, I presume, that the Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund made the difference.

Has anybody got the figures for the 2006 primary?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 05:31 am
Gay marriage: U.S. Supreme Court may not hear Prop. 8 appeal

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/prop-8-supreme-court-may-not-hear-california-gay-marriage-case.html
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 06:40 am
The Amazing Story of the Televangelist and his Gay Grandson

http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201202/preacher-oral-roberts-grandson-randy-roberts-potts-the-gay-agenda
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 06:54 am
Labor unions back W.Va. gay, lesbian protections from discrimination in workplace, housing

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2f60066ea06d4055b97b4a7d725790d0/WV--XGR-Worker-Rights/#.TzO1Gc7qfmE.facebook
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 06:58 am
Fargo couple to challenge North Dakota's gay marriage law

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/58860/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 07:11 am
Law, Unwrapped: Analysis Of Today’s Prop 8 Decision That Is True Genius

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/law-unwrapped-analysis-of-todays-prop-8-decision/legal-issues/2012/02/07/34347
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 01:03 pm
New Hampshire Republicans Propose Bill To Eliminate Workers’ Lunch Breaks

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/02/08/421510/new-hampshire-gop-repeal-lunch/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 01:08 pm
State-by-State Laws on Gay Marriage Produce Patchwork Quilt

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-09/state-by-state-decisions-on-gay-marriage-produce-patchwork-quilt-of-rights.html
 

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