California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

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Freedom to Marry
‎"'Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples." - Judge Stephen Reinhardt in today's majority opinion

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@RexRed,

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"...to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples"

That's how christians think; they don't understand that their religious teachings teach hate and discrimination against other groups. They don't understand the Constitution or their superior feelings against gays and lesbians. Truly sad; they want to control other people's lives - people they don't even know or care about.

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We are the 98 percent

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/07/we_are_the_98_percent/

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MITT ROMNEY BLASTS PROP 8 RULING

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/02/mitt-romney-blasts-prop-8-ruling.html

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

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"...to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples"

That's how christians think; they don't understand that their religious teachings teach hate and discrimination against other groups. They don't understand the Constitution or their superior feelings against gays and lesbians. Truly sad; they want to control other people's lives - people they don't even know or care about.

I'm a Christian. I'm overjoyed that Prop 8 was overturned.

I also don't want to control other people's lives, although there are absolutely those out there that do. It really is unfortunate that in a country where we're supposed to be all about freedom and liberty that there is still the kind of oppression that Prop 8 imposed on a large (and growing) portion of our population.

And all because some 'True Americans" as a few on this forum would refer to the would-be Christians don't believe the BS about freedoms and liberties that they spew from their own mouths.

This is a good day. Hoping the Supreme Court backs the ruling and this idiotic notion that the sanctity of marriage is in jeopardy can take one less breath before it dies.

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@Questioner,

Good on ya, and I appreciate your candidness about your stance against Prop 8. As in any "group," not all are bad or good. I belong in several identified groups. I'm an atheist in the realm of religions, and an Independent politically in the US. Not all atheists and Independents are good people, and I'm not perfect by any means.

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@cicerone imposter,

I bet you're a real sweetie underneath your bluff exterior.

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Ellen DeGeneres Rips 'One Million Moms' For Calling for Her Firing

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/02/ellenmomsreply.html

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Liberals have now discoevered that they no longer need to win at the polls. Conservatives may pass a measure in elections by any majority whatsoever, and liberals will have a handful of men overturn the election result. This would be valid if the issue in question actually were mentioned in a state or the federal constitution, but the strategy is now to make whatever tortured argument necessary to pretend that the constitution takes the liberal view of matters which it actually never mentions at all.

Thus, now that liberals can circumvent the voters, conservatives for all intents and purposes have no vote. We can vote in whatever measure we like, but some liberal court will simply claim that the result is unconstitutional and throw it out. This is now the unwritten plan by liberals. The Declaration of Independence says that people who have been denied fundamental rights, such as, for example, the right to vote, are justified in throwing out the government, even by revolution, and instituting a new one.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

Liberals have now discoevered that they no longer need to win at the polls. Conservatives may pass a measure in elections by any majority whatsoever, and liberals will have a handful of men overturn the election result. This would be valid if the issue in question actually were mentioned in a state or the federal constitution, but the strategy is now to make whatever tortured argument necessary to pretend that the constitution takes the liberal view of matters which it actually never mentions at all.

Thus, now that liberals can circumvent the voters, conservatives for all intents and purposes have no vote. We can vote in whatever measure we like, but some liberal court will simply claim that the result is unconstitutional and throw it out. This is now the unwritten plan by liberals. The Declaration of Independence says that people who have been denied fundamental rights, such as, for example, the right to vote, are justified in throwing out the government, even by revolution, and instituting a new one.

Denying homosexuals marriage equality is unconstitutional...

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

Liberals have now discoevered that they no longer need to win at the polls. Conservatives may pass a measure in elections by any majority whatsoever, and liberals will have a handful of men overturn the election result.

"Have now discovered"? You're not up to date on conservative conspiracy theories about the topic. Conservatives have been criticizing this alleged liberal-judicial conspiracy at least since Robert Bork's Tempting of America (1997). Bork, in turn, says it began with the Warren Court (1953-1969). You're almost 60 years behind the curve there.

Brandon9000 wrote:

This would be valid if the issue in question actually were mentioned in a state or the federal constitution, but the strategy is now to make whatever tortured argument necessary to pretend that the constitution takes the liberal view of matters which it actually never mentions at all.

The constitution's 5th and 14th Amendments do protect a right to liberty. Are you denying that the general concept of liberty covers the particular liberty to marry the partner of your choice, and that this is therefore a fundamental right? Moreover, the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection of the law. Are you denying that California law previously protected the liberty to marry for all Californians equally, and that it then has withdrawn that protection from some Californians?

One last question: Let's assume for the sake of conversation that American courts do disproportionately strike down conservative laws. How does that demonstrate a liberal conspiracy among judges? Why doesn't it demonstrate that conservative legislators enact more unconstitutional laws than liberal legislators do?

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

Thus, now that liberals can circumvent the voters, conservatives for all intents and purposes have no vote.

I hope you keep standing up for the American voter as the Supreme Court considers striking down Obamacare.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

Liberals have now discoevered that they no longer need to win at the polls. Conservatives may pass a measure in elections by any majority whatsoever, and liberals will have a handful of men overturn the election result. This would be valid if the issue in question actually were mentioned in a state or the federal constitution, but the strategy is now to make whatever tortured argument necessary to pretend that the constitution takes the liberal view of matters which it actually never mentions at all.

Thus, now that liberals can circumvent the voters, conservatives for all intents and purposes have no vote. We can vote in whatever measure we like, but some liberal court will simply claim that the result is unconstitutional and throw it out. This is now the unwritten plan by liberals. The Declaration of Independence says that people who have been denied fundamental rights, such as, for example, the right to vote, are justified in throwing out the government, even by revolution, and instituting a new one.

Revolution, eh? Go for it - if you think you have what it takes, Brandon.

Re: not voting, you're right - Conservatives have no reason to vote anymore. I fully agree with and hope that a bunch of you internalize this belief.

Cycloptichorn

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And, of course, it would help if conservatives weren't so ready to vote for things that are blatantly discriminatory and unconstitutional. But I suppose that's too much to expect.

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@MontereyJack,

Judge Stephen Reinhardt is a New Yorker, a democrat and was appointed by President Carter. He is married to Ramona Ripston, who was Executive Director of the ACLU of Southern California until her February 2011 retirement.

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Reinhardt is known as one of the most liberal judges on the courts of appeals. His decisions are "reversed more often than most" judges before the Supreme Court. Examples of opinions he wrote for the Ninth Circuit that were reversed are:

Safeco Insurance Co. of America v. Burr, 127 S.Ct. 2201 (2007)
Gonzales v. Carhart, 127 S.Ct. 1610 (2007)
Ayers v. Belmontes, 127 S.Ct. 469 (2006)
Garcetti v. Ceballos, 126 S.Ct. 1951 (2006)
Texaco Inc. v. Dagher, 547 U.S. 1 (2006)
Pliler v. Ford, 542 U.S. 225 (2002)
Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Echazabal, 536 U.S. 73 (2002)
United States v. Arvizu, 534 U.S. 266 (2002)
Major League Baseball Players Ass'n v. Garvey, 532 U.S. 504 (2001)
Albertson's, Inc. v. Kirkingburg, 527 U.S. 555 (1999)
Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997)
Lambert v. Wicklund, 520 U.S. 292 (1997)
United States v. Armstrong, 517 U.S. 456 (1997)
I.N.S. v. Abudu, 485 U.S. 94 (1988)
Heckler v. Lopez, 463 U.S. 1328 (1983)

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@spendius,

spendi, What are you trying to imply or say? If you wish to question Judge Reinhardt's decision on gay marriage, do so by discussion the issues, not the party affiliation of the judge.

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@cicerone imposter,

I thought he was in Beverly Hills Cop.

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@izzythepush,

You could be right, but I'm not familiar with that "movie."

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@cicerone imposter,

What about Beverly Hills Cop 2?

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@cicerone imposter,

Okay. Is "constitution" a magic spell such as when it is pronounced you all prostrate yourselves before a geriatric, leftie who likes seeing his name in the paper?

Could Judge Reinhardt nullify the result of any electoral majority simply by using it within a ritualistic setting. If judges continue to make fools of themselves one might understand how power is being drained out of the judiciary. They look like a bunch of Pharisees.

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