California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

@Foofie,

FYI, you're on a www world chat forum. I'll write and respond to anybody's post - as I see fit; not a control freak like yourself.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

Don't mind spendi Rex, he's the flat earth type that's worried about what will happen to the kids if they see a globe. What terror!

He's going the way of the dodo, so let him piss and moan. His whining can be the tune to dance to.

His word salad posts are great for crosswords, but not much else.

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@RexRed,

In case you both don't know crosswords carry a hidden meassage. They work on the Pavlovian pleasure side of the conditioning process as does much else. There's a little pleasure kick for the ego in solving a clue. Usually, newspapers and magazines employ the same person for years on end to compile their puzzles. If you successfully complete his puzzle, I've never heard of a female compiler, for a long period you come to think roughly as he does.

The point at which a tangent touches a curve is flat mathematically. The surface of the earth is a series of such points. Therefore, mathematically, the earth can be regarded as flat. And where there are no geological distortions it looks flat. It's only curved in books. You wouldn't know it without the books. No wonder fa failed art.

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@spendius,

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The warning came as Crispin Blunt, a junior Tory minister in the Coalition, announced that he was separating from his wife to allow him to “come to terms with his homosexuality”.

Notice also the abandonment of a woman.

Ahh I see it is only gay men who "abandon women", Straight men don't abandon women for other women. Straight men don't use the bible to justify multiple women and polygamy either. Also women don't ever abandon men for other men, or women.

You strike a low blow whenever you find it necessary to use your propaganda to attack homosexuals. You have an agenda and don't care to consider that sometimes people break up because they are simply incompatible. When people break up it is not just because one is gay it can be because one drives the other away by becoming impossible to live with. Either sex can become abusive and the only real option is to get away from them.

But there is an underlying problem you display here, homophobia and religiosity. Marriage equality is about people treating each other as equals and respectfully. If you are gay or straight this standard applies.

When one partner becomes consistently abusive that can nullify a marriage. And where is the God of the Bible? The God of the Bible is not the one getting beat on every night. The God of the Bible is not the one who has to, first hand, endure a partner constantly being abusive to their children.

"Notice the abandonment of gays and lesbians." You try and use nature to enslave when love is also supposed to be nurturing. If love no longer is nurturing and a spouse has tried to get their partner to be respectful and considerate then marriage is no longer valid. Marriage takes two people to make it work whether if you are gay or straight. You only lend credence to the argument that marriage equality is for all irrespective of one's sexuality. Gays and lesbians need to be respected and respective in marriage just as much as heterosexuals do.

You seem to forget that marriage requires love no matter what your sexuality is. You would rather people fight every night with themselves or their spouse than find a spouse where mutual love and respect make up the marriage. Women abandon men too and sometimes for good reason... Also a gay man and a lesbian woman does not a good marriage make...

Spendius, you find every chance you can to insult gays... I take offense to what you have said. I do not find I respect you very much in general for your hateful remarks. If I was married to you I would seek a divorce. You are too insensitive to others, you lack tenderness and you are simply just too cold-hearted a person.

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@RexRed,

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Straight men don't abandon women for other women.

Yes but they look for another woman. If they looked for a man there would be women going spare and if it catches on it might be a bit of a trial going to the pub what with all the homosexual men being in their private clubs. I'm becoming persuaded. It's a better idea than I had thought. Hets unite against Prop 8. It was unconstitutional. Somebody's rights must be being denied surely?

A guy comes in the pub late on Sat night after going to a Singles Club that's well established and a bit lower middle class. Posh alternating venues every fortnight. Ties and jacket are mandatory. I don't know about trousers. He is quizzed on what happened. It's 90% women. Maybe all the women who are still married to hets are sat at home watching Who Wants to be a Millionaire munching on Cadbury's Cream Delights with their husband fast asleep on the couch earning interest at 4%. You get a lot of that in the Home Counties. If he's awake he wants to watch Discovery Channel so he's been mildly doped.

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Straight men don't use the bible to justify multiple women and polygamy either.

They certainly don't. Or they didn't ought to. That well out of order. That would reduce the number of free-floating women and the pub would end up what we call "Cock heavy". And it's blasphemous to use a Holy Book to justify such disgraceful ideas.

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Also women don't ever abandon men for other men, or women.

Ah--but they can return to the fold without a blemish on their reputations which I'm not sure men can. I would quote a lady I heard in the pub speaking upon the matter but I think her remarks were too crude for a gentleman such as me to think of repeating. Women can be quite down to earth when they've had four pints of Foster's lager. It's one of their many charms.

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You strike a low blow whenever you find it necessary to use your propaganda to attack homosexuals.

There are no lower blows that finding a victim of a disgusting assault from out of a very large pond to give the impression that homosexuals are discriminated against on that sort of scale. Many more women are murdered than are homosexual men. Most don't even make the news except locally. What low blow have I used to compare to that? And it's the same story with the red herring about stonings in The Bible.

Why don't you sell the job positively like I have suggested.

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Marriage equality is about people treating each other as equals and respectfully. If you are gay or straight this standard applies.

There's no such thing as equality in any social group. There might be a coy pretense.

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You are too insensitive to others, you lack tenderness and you are simply just too cold-hearted a person.

The facts are what I'm dealing with on here. If you don't care for the facts then you had better get on my side in the Challenges to Teaching Evolution debate. I'm popular with all the barmaids I've come across. That'll do for me. I'm into the science of barmaidology with a barmaidoscope. They are a severe bunch.

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@spendius,

rexred wrote:

Straight men don't use the bible to justify multiple women and polygamy either.

spendius wrote:

They certainly don't. Or they didn't ought to. That well out of order. That would reduce the number of free-floating women and the pub would end up what we call "Cock heavy". And it's blasphemous to use a Holy Book to justify such disgraceful ideas.

http://www.mormon-polygamy.org/
Mormonism today does not practice polygamy, but neither does it claim that its past practice of polygamy was wrong. The practice was commanded by God through living prophets...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jS2prMPSsC5WfM:http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/attachments/month_0906/11-07ilovemomsMormon-Polygamist_FkYSoL8deGg8.jpg&t=1

rexred wrote:

Also women don't ever abandon men for other men, or women.

spendius wrote:

Ah--but they can return to the fold without a blemish on their reputations which I'm not sure men can.

rexred wrote:

Yes we will march into the fold with our same sex partners without a blemish on our reputations both gays and lesbians... Marriage equality for the "fold"...

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@RexRed,

RexRed I do not mean to be hateful but I do think that you are up against a brickwall when I comes to convincing him that it is ok to be gay. He has proven himself to me to be a true believer.
When I say true believer what I am referring to is, example. [ people can believe in all sorts of things and I do not fault them for it. They have reasons why they believe as they do. their beliefs just are not scientific.
It would be like people that believe in alien life forms and believe that we live amongst aliens. It is very amazing what the human mind is able to believe. If you have faith in any thing you can believe it to be an absolute.

placebos are very real for some people. it is amazing what sugestions can do.
Another thing I find amazing is the fact that just because a person can be delusional does not mean that they can't be very reasonable on other issues of life. "They can be very smart and believe in delusional thought's". As strange as it may seem religious people believe this to be true with other religions but not about their own religious belief. example a engineer and a architect can fly planes into buildings and believe that allah may give them 72 virgins.
Now a christain could see that these people did not think clearly. but it was a religious belief that enabled these people to have the mind set they did. It is not just religion, you can have faith in any ideology without scientific proof and impose your beliefs on others by means of laws, murder, hate and a infinite amount of other ways .

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@reasoning logic,

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RexRed I do not mean to be hateful but I do think that you are up against a brickwall when I comes to convincing him that it is ok to be gay.

I have already said, more than once, that it is ok to be homosexual. You just don't read properly before offering your two penorth. It is either innate or conditioned in most cases. Libertines do it for a dare or for the hell of it or to see if they can or to find out if it's any good.

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He has proven himself to me to be a true believer.

And what is it you think I believe in?

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When I say true believer what I am referring to is, example. [ people can believe in all sorts of things and I do not fault them for it. They have reasons why they believe as they do. their beliefs just are not scientific.

Do you think true believers care whether you fault them or not? You'll have your reasons either way. Which believers would you not fault? Those who believe the bankers caused the financial crisis? Those who believe in Liberty? How do you know that the believers are not being scientific? Are you like that lot on the evolution threads who believe in just that part of science you want to believe in and define science to your aesthetic tastes? Some aspects of science are a dirty business. Take rectal surgery for example.

If you believed that architecture should reach for the skies gathering light in order to magically create a certain feeling, rather than that which squats on the landscape keeping out direct sunlight, and that it was the way to go, would you not exert your powers to persuade people to get all that masonry aloft when it's quite obvious that lifting heavy masonry into the sky is not a particularly attractive proposition compared to the spin-offs from Walpurgis Night. Or Nacht. Evolution answers the question.

Then it wouldn't be one little smidgin like people that believe in alien life forms and believe that we live amongst aliens. Your teleological mirror is not part of reasoning logic.

It would be more like charting a course. Through the Big Daddy Cape Horn in a howling wind. In a jerking boat.

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If you have faith in any thing you can believe it to be an absolute.

Hanging on by the faith which needs to be absolute to withstand the buffeting.

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. it is amazing what sugestions can do.

It amazes me what suggestion has done for you. Your welcoming the suggestion that you are very bright, a graduation ceremony say, is very understandable.

Another thing I find amazing is the fact that just because a person can be delusional does not mean that they can't be very reasonable on other issues of life. Some more than others though.

I wouldn't care to make assumptions about what motivates suicide bombers.

We do have a fair idea that without faiths we would still be swinging in the ******* trees chewing leaves. A pretty sound scientific idea I mean. Well researched and peer-revieved to the maximum pork funding will run to.

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@reasoning logic,

Thanks, I get where you are coming from, When I used to be all full of religion quoting scriptures, it took years where finally an epiphany happened and I realized the folly of these words. Maybe one day he might realize that love and commitment is not only about who can make babies (even though gays often have children) but about the sacred ties of the heart and soul. To call someone else' love unworthy of marriage is petty and hateful. This is something he will carry, that, his sterile ideology would deny others happiness will be his own cross to bear.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

We do have a fair idea that without faiths we would still be swinging in the ******* trees chewing leaves.

Human intelligence and civilization is caused by mutations in our DNA and evolution not things that go bump in the night. People of faiths are the least civilized people in the world today.

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@RexRed,

I can only guess that you and I are not the only ones that had your experience. your quote: [When I used to be all full of religion quoting scriptures, it took years where finally an epiphany happened and I realized the folly of these words.]

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@RexRed,

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To call someone else' love unworthy of marriage is petty and hateful. This is something he will carry, that, his sterile ideology would deny others happiness will be his own cross to

That's totally ridiculous Rex. As if love is only love because it's called marriage. A bloody label. Some people don't get married because they think it is the state interfering with their love. Marriage is an economic category. It is society sticking its nose in love. Your desire to ape hets speaks volumes.

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When I used to be all full of religion quoting scriptures, it took years where finally an epiphany happened and I realized the folly of these words.

It's possible you only thought you were "full of religion". Which microcosms of the scriptures were you quoting? Carefully selected ones no doubt. With the usual spin applied.

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@RexRed,

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. People of faiths are the least civilized people in the world today.

That's easy to say. People of no faith have not been tried out yet. Except in what is known as pre-history. If it's the new way to go better to have it out there on the west coast than here is what I think. As most Americans also do.

Plato said that love is what the wolf feels towards the lamb.

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@spendius,

I can only hope that you do understand that I mean no hate torwards your thinking, as I find you very wise we just disagree with some issues.
As you have already said, Your quote: [Do you think true believers care whether you fault them or not.] I do not know, some may and some may not.
I do care regardless if you do not because I hate no one only what they may do to bring unjustice to others.

I would like to share the works of two neuroscientist with anyone who would care to watch.

Patricia Churchland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnipZ4o8mo

Skip to 4 minutes to see Sam Harris and not watch a borring presintation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KG5s_-Khvg

This is another good one in my opinion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KG5s_-Khvg

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@spendius,

I do have to agree with you on this one Spendius. But I do have one question do you think that plato was correct all the time. I do know he was great. but I can find what I would call fault with all philosophers, can't you?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

The point at which a tangent touches a curve is flat mathematically. The surface of the earth is a series of such points. Therefore, mathematically, the earth can be regarded as flat. And where there are no geological distortions it looks flat. It's only curved in books. You wouldn't know it without the books. No wonder fa failed art.

You sound ridiculous talking about things you have no understanding of. The world is only flat if the limit of dA goes to zero. The poetry of you posting how the world is flat, but for the world to be flat it has to be evaluated such that the world is infinitely small (as in a single point), is perfect for a person who lives in such a small world mentally.

I'd say your brain is flat. Not a wrinkle on it.

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@reasoning logic,

Seems that I made a mistake My last comment was [This is another good one in my opinion.] I do not remember what I was going to share but this may give you something to think about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg&feature=channel

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@spendius,

Ok I realy made a big mistake as the wife was in a hury for me to get the steaks on the grill I do not agree with spendius when he said, [People of no faith have not been tried out yet. Except in what is known as pre-history. If it's the new way to go better to have it out there on the west coast than here is what I think. As most Americans also do.

Plato said that love is what the wolf feels towards the lamb.

I also do not agree with RexRed's quote, I am not even sure if Rex would agree with it either if he thought harder about it as their are nonbelievers that can be more evil than some believers. I can always be wrong

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@reasoning logic,

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...as their (there) are nonbelievers that can be more evil than some believers.

That's an impossible comparison; do you know of nonbelievers more evil than "some" believers?

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@cicerone imposter,

Do you not think that a atheist can commit a horrific crime toward another person. I would think that there have been atheist that had killed out of rage just as a believer could do the same. Not all atheist behave this way nor do all believers. It seems to me that we are all vulnerable to psychological problems, believers and nonbelievers.

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