California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

rl, Any crime or violence is not based on whether the individual is a believer or non-believer. It's not based on whether the individual is a christian, Jew, buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or any other religion found on this planet. All humans do dastardly things.

Marriage is a social status and without it you, figuratively, can't buy bread. You think your shell game will distract me but i am well aware of the "privilege" (wasn't that your word) that marriage bestows upon its recipients. Marriage is a privilege except when it concerns gays, then it is "a bloody label". Just as religion is just an arbitrary belief system to you until you use it to deny human rights.

Are you assuming gays are incapable of Agápe?

Even the Greeks did not compare monogamous homosexual love between consenting adults to that of a predator. The Greeks had many different words for love where in English we use adverbs to describe various forms of love. Are you going to butcher Greek philosophy now? Was that word Plato used Agápe, Éros, Philia, Storge etc... yet translated simply love in English?

"Homosexuality," Plato wrote, "is regarded as shameful by barbarians...

Very enlightening RexRed. Great video

C. I. You did get me to think harder about what RexRed wrote.
his quote: [ People of faiths are the least civilized people in the world today.]

It seems that I originally interpreted it differently than what it was intended to be.

Thinking back I remember Reading something about how countries that are made up of more of athiest than believers fair better than countries that have more believers than atheist. "when it comes to having a less violent society.
I can only guess that this is close to how RexRed was meaning for me to interpret his quote.

It sure was. The lady was electioneering. Where was she electioneering? In Gotham City of course. New York State's senators are both democrats and 27 of its 29 House members are democrat. It was a party political broadcast Rex brought us. Predictable, partial, mainly irrelevant and, it must be admitted, very smooth. It won't wash in the flyover states though.

We should remember Dr Johnson on someone's partiality.

re Spendius,
extraordinarily prescient of Dr. Johnson to comment on RexRed and Ms. Davino several centuries after his death. How did he do that? You might want to be a bit more careful about your quote boxes, Spendius.

You are also confusing the NY State Legislature with the U.S. Congress. She's state, not federal. And she's not electioneering but using example of gay state legislators that her colleqgues interact with every day to show why gay marriage is not a danger.

And speaking of state legislatures, after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Clourt ruled that forbidding gay marriage violated the MA Constitution, the legislators who got red in the face and fulminated against the court and against gay marriage, were all voted out of office in the next election. Which was remarkably effective in quieting political opposition to gay marriage in the state. We the people appreciate the tranquillity we brought about by our vote.

I usually am. I'm sorry I confused you.



That makes no difference. Politicians never stop electioneering. She never addressed the issue in relation to dangers.



That's a joke I presume. Tranquillity is the last thing people want as Goethe said. Do you see men French kissing men in your public spaces?

The population of the states which allow homosexual marriage is about 20 million assuming that Washington DC Metro is included. If not it is about 15 million. That's about 7% at best and 5% if the Metro district is excluded. And apart from Iowa the other states are in a small group gathered on the Canadian border near the French speaking side.

As I have noted before, these states, apart from Iowa, have a strong maritime tradition in which long sea voyages in ships with no women, like that Mr Melville reported on, were familiar.

In the interest of fairness I should say that the Coquille Indian Tribe in Oregon also allows the institution.

If Prop 8 is overturned the figure will have to be revised upwards to about 15%. Which leaves 85% on my side.

spendi, What has numbers have to do with anything? Don't you understand "discrimination, bigotry, and equal rights for everyone?"

Don't be so naive.

Why didn't you respond to my asking about equal rights for women to be down that mineshaft in Chile? Or fixing blown down powerlines in a blizzard? Just because you have spent your life shuffling pieces of paper back and forth and have no defence when women demand equal pay for equal work shuffling pieces of paper back and forth does not mean that women want equal work in every circumstance. And if women want a la carte work then they will get a la carte rights.

Have you seen Ice Road Truckers. There's a woman in that. It's quite funny really. But I respect it just the same. She was doing what you only talk about to make yourself popular with lefties. And you don't really talk about it. You wave your arm across society like you would your toy soldiers when arranging them doing battle. No sparks coming off the mudguard of the truck by the side of your helmet.

Just "equal rights for all" and everybody cheering. Very good. The idea I mean. Not what you do with it. That's ******* terrible.

There are few things worse than arm chair warriors but one of the competitors is arm chair politicians. I think you can tell an armchair warrior from the amount of arm chair politicking he does. It's a sign he doesn't know what a bunch of asswipes the folks back home are.

You're as bigoted as a cornered rat and I'll bet you've done some fancy dollar discriminating on your trips and at the check-out. Price competition means discrimination. Obviously. The boss who screws his staff sells his stuff because he screws his staff.

Why does a garbage collector earn less than a bloke who's good at telling lies on TV? A lot less. You're "discrimination" is some airy-fairy abstract notion which allows you to believe that you don't discriminate.

I understand you ci. I've argued in pubs with hundreds of guys like you, and women too, about the idiotic idea of equal rights. Nothing could be more anti-evolutionary than equal rights. That's how I know you're all phonies on the evolution threads.

What's work? What % of male homosexuals have occupations which are not routinely done by women. By which I mean one that a TV producer would not bother to get a production crew up north to make a movie out of if a woman was found to be doing it. I could argue that the movie discriminates against women. It was patronising. It was meant to be.

Well, spendi, it's against the law to discriminate against women; many lawsuits against companies charged with women discrimination have paid millions. I haven't seen anything close to that concerning our gay community.

Are you saying women don't have equal rights to work in mine-shafts? It's not as if women need to work in mine-shafts to earn equal rights to work on wall street. If any person (male or female) has the option to work outside of a mine, I'm betting they take it.

Al carte nothing.
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Most that comes out of you Spendius is insults and threatening remarks. Gays are not insulting you personally or heteros... we are just demanding that our love be treated equally. It is heteros who have tarnished the sanctity of marriage both statistically and publicly. You insult maritime sailors, Andy Warhol, you call senators who support equality liars. You insult the gay coalition whose aim is simply equality and protective laws for homosexuals. We are not taking your rights away but you are SURELY denying us rights yet you act as though we are taking something from you. Do you question your own sexuality toward females? It certainly seems that way. You are all over the place yet honesty seems to evade your own discourse.

You insult French Canadian people sympathetic to homosexuals and why not insult Mexico city and Argentina while you are at it (am sure you already have). You imply gay people's love is predatory and imply we abandon women. You assume equality needs to be put up for a vote which includes you with racists and terrorists. The country was divided equally when black liberation was an issue. Yet equality was worth fighting a war over and winning.

Was Abraham Lincoln bisexual and a supporter of gay marriage also?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln

“For Reuben and Charles have married two girls,
But Billy has married a boy.
The girls he had tried on every side,
But none he could get to agree;
All was in vain, he went home again,
And since that he's married to Natty.”

Abraham Lincoln

Did I not say that front and center of most civil rights movements are bisexuals, gays and lesbians?

Comment to Spendius: Do hetero’s French Kiss in public places? And what exactly are the dangers of gays and lesbians who love each other and want to marry? Is it more or less dangerous then them living in promiscuity?

And how am I stereotyping homosexuals because they want to be treated fairly and equally in matters of love? Oh, I see, some homosexuals should want to be treated unfairly just to maintain our individuality…

Spendius quote:
Ms Davino's base flattery of some of her colleagues was embarrassing…

Comment: Embarrassing to who? You? If you are embarrassed because two men love and want to marry you have your own issues… Perhaps you are jealous…

And… your math does not add up…

Spendius wrote: Yes but they look for another woman. If they looked for a man there would be women going spare…

Comment: On the other side of town there is the lesbian bar were women look for woman… No woman is left without a man and no gays or lesbians are made to love someone they don’t. That is what sexual freedom is Spendius. Just because a woman needs a husband does not mean she has the right to make a gay man straight and just because a man needs a wife does not mean he has the right to force a lesbian to be straight. This kind of mentality is called terrorism. Where like in Sweden some Muslim men feel it is right to rape lesbians just to prove these lesbians need to be straight. I lump you with these people Spendius… You’re a terrorist and you use your religion to perpetuate your crimes. Just like the conservative lobbyist who stopped a senator at a red light and badgered her about her decision to act humanely. Desperate terrorist conservative homophobe males who accost liberal women senators in traffic to prove their point that all men aren’t created equal.

“Embarrassed” just isn’t quite the word for you Spendius…

http://www.sodahead.com/living/end-corrective-rape-of-lesbians-in-south-africa/blog-50623/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3295487.ece

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/18/gay_muslim

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1540877/posts

Are these your cronies? Is this what your religion condones? Not only are you depriving gays and lesbians to their right to marriage and equality you are opening the door to rape crimes and these rapists use YOUR exact talking point to justify their crimes.

Don’t be embarrassed Spendius, be ASHAMED…

Are you sincere about what you are saying here? Your quote : [You're as bigoted as a cornered rat and I'll bet you've done some fancy dollar discriminating on your trips and at the check-out. Price competition means discrimination. Obviously. The boss who screws his staff sells his stuff because he screws his staff.

Why does a garbage collector earn less than a bloke who's good at telling lies on TV? A lot less. You're "discrimination" is some airy-fairy abstract notion which allows you to believe that you don't discriminate]

You're so blinded by your own perceptions that are usually 180 degrees from the truth, that you rarely make any sense.

I know a lady who's the production manager of a favorite tv show called Brothers & Sisters. I happened to have met her on one of my trips, and we still communicate with each other. She recently visited close to the North Pole, and sent me her travelogue with pictures of polar bears. She's a fantastic lady who invited me to join her small group for dinner on the last day of our tour.

No--I didn't say that. I would insist upon it under the Equal Opportunities Acts. And mine-shafts were merely a symbol of a lot of other occupations which I made clear by mentioning another job. It wasn't meant to be taken literally. Do you think Mona Lisa's smile should be taken literally? I used the symbol to save me making a list too long for me to have time for: thinking that my audience was intelligent enough to dig my drift.

Anywhere you see money changing hands is where who gets what is decided.

I asked a simple question. What % of homs work in occupations women don't normally do. Hispanic women certainly have equal rights to work in the fields in California. Is there a class thing in this?

Nothing you write can be taken "literally."

Of course they are. They are laughing at us. The Pride Parades make that clear enough. They are laughing at us for putting up with the trials and tribulations of women when they have a simpler alternative. We are mugs. Look at the fun you could be having boys instead of trundling that lawnmower up and down and redecorationg the bathroom. They are taking the piss out of a whole way of life.

No wife, no daughters is serious relief and getting it away at the same time. It's not fair. It ought to be taxed.



If Plato's comparison of love to what the wolf feels towards the lamb is not enough for you try Dylan's. "**** love." It's a power play.



I can agree with that although it is not all hets and it was caused by them being allowed to do so so that lawyers could lead happy and contended lives. And a few others.



I rather think you do. I've known a few. That would laugh at you springing to their defence.



I do not.

The rest of your post is bullshit. You just want to play at home with your own ball. I'm not trying to deprive homosexuals of anything except taking traditional English words of large scale importance and distorting them out of all recognition and getting a judge to reverse a democratic vote.