California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

In A.M.Ludovici's book " Woman: a Vindication." There is an amusing chapter on "The Virtues and Vices of Women." It begins:

"Whether we appeal to folklore, to the proverbs of the unions, or to the earliest legends of mankind, we invariably encounter the traditional wisdom of humanity's judgments upon woman which are more or less unanimous in condemning her bad temper, her disloyalty, her vanity, her malice and her indolence."

Why should male homosexuals escape from such tribulations and expect to be granted equal economic and social standing. It is not much different from expecting an educational qualification without engaging in any strenuous effort. I suppose with the latter being as common and as acceptable as it appears to be on these threads it is to be expected that the former will be the normal order of things as soon as common sense prevails and Judge Walker's objective view of the Constitution is settled law.

Why would all heterosexuals not immediately convert to homosexuality with a short reorientation course in the event that homosexuality is perceived as equally acceptable as heterosexuality and carry no stigma. They would be mugs not to and they would benefit financially to a remarkable extent which might be roughly estimated with a quick glance around the accomodation units of the, for now, normal suburban household.

California specialises in overturning folklore, proverbs and any and all traditional wisdom not thought up by Californians.

Once the two sexes are polarised into two camps the males could get down to showing the females what proper sex discrimination is. As happened in the Soviet Unuin, now defunct, when road mending gangs were exclusively female apart from the supervisor.

Lingerie catalogues featuring underpants, long-johns, string vests, hob nailed boots and such like is a small price to pay. As is grossly inefficient road-mending, mining, rescue services and other previously male occupations in return for males hanging out in leather macho kits making overtures to each other all day long.

What are the women of America waiting for?

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**** the marriage issue

let's get rid of religion, it seems to be the stumbling block

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I predict that in the fullness of time 10 years at hard labour will be the penalty for being caught in possession of Playboy magazine and exile to Alaska for having a copy of Reader's Wives hidden under one's floorboards and detected by sniffer dogs.

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@djjd62,

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let's get rid of religion, it seems to be the stumbling block

No. The stumbling block is the votes of religious people I'm afraid. What you need are more atheist and homosexual judges and military commanders to enforce the Constitution.

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i also find this curious focus on the wife in these discussions to be interesting, the tax breaks and protections are spousal benefits, not wife benefits, true that meant women in the past, but the dynamics of so-called traditional marriage has changed due to any number of reasons, lately the economic downturn, women being the principle wage earner

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@djjd62,

I would think that households where women are the principle wage earners are those which media categorise as C- to D+. D being corrugated iron huts and D- plastic tents.

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@spendius,

well you're an ass

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@djjd62,

Not only an ass, but an ignoramus. He probably never heard of women who earned their degrees at an Ivy League school, worked themselves up the ladder, and made much more $$$$$$$$ than the majority of men.

spendi is a pussy who has no balls.

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

**** the marriage issue

let's get rid of religion, it seems to be the stumbling block

AMEN!

(about the religion thing)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/19/same.sex.marriage.global.fight/index.html?hpt=C2
It seems the gay marriage issue is getting bigger...

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@RexRed,

It's about the GOP/conservatives that continues to create false information about gays and lesbians. Without this political organization, it wouldn't be the huge problem they have created.

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Argentina is more humane to their gay citizens than California and the USA... sad...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2010/07/30/1st.argentine.gay.marriage.cnn.html

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@cicerone imposter,

I dont buy that.
That doesnt explain why this same battle is being fought in other countries around the world.

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@mysteryman,

Oh, you mean some of the Middle East Muslim countries where women still are required to wear coveralls. Not the more advanced countries where they legalized gay marriage.

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@cicerone imposter,

We were supposed to be hearing wedding bells today.
We were supposed to be hearing the vows of our friends in love exchanged,
We were supposed to be hearing I dos and I love yous,
But instead I stand before you hearing freedom ring,
Hearing your voices sing,
Seeing you take another day when were supposed to rejoice
And raising your quiet voice...for equality,

Every time they tell us no, They give us a gift
Every time they shut us down my spirits lift,
Because once my tears have dried
I know deep inside that we've just become stronger
That we're gonna fight harder and were gonna fight longer
We won't sit at home being depressed,
Every time they say no, we're gonna say yes,
The only thing you need in your closet is your frilly white dress

Let's cue some joyful tunes,
Yeah, I could sing dirges or I could sing the blues,
I know my friends' tears shouldn't be front page news,
But instead I'll sing love songs with my all of my heart,
Because I 'm not broken hearted
I know we're just getting started
I know we have a lot to celebrate,
Because we stand on the side of truth and not hate

They didn't take away our love when they gave us prop 8,
They gave us each other,
And now I call you each my sister, my brother,
They took the vows we used to whisper and we learned how to shout,
They opened our closet doors and made us come out,
Just look what they've done,
Look at how beautiful we are in the afternoon sun,
Look at the way we shine and love everyone

No one can vote that away,
It doesn't matter the court case or if there's a stay,
It can be appealed to the highest court in the land,
We'll continue to love, we'll continue to stand,
Equality is our one simple demand,
And if any one of you is tired, just reach out your hand,
And I'll take it,
You don't have to fake it,
We'll all do this together and together we'll make it,

We're a community of many, undivided and strong,
We sound like a chorus when we each sing our song,
We'll fight side by side, no matter how long,
They can peel back our layers and see what's revealed
What they'll find is love
And love can't be appealed.

- Poem | Hilary Hodge of Sacramento, CA

Comment:
I will have to "borrow" a frilly white dress I guess. Smile

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@cicerone imposter,

No, I mean countries like
•Antiqua and Barbuda
Grenada
Jamaica
Saint Kitts and Nevis
•Saint Lucia
•Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
•Togo
•*Tonga
•Trinidad and Tobago
Western Samoa
•Costa Rica

I wouldnt call any of those muslim countries.

And from what I can find, only 7 countries in Europe have legalized gay marriage...

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•Sweden became the seventh country to legalize same-sex marriage on April 1, 2009. Marriage licenses for same-sex couples became available beginning May 1, 2009. Couples who are currently in civil partnership can chose to keep that status or have it amended to marriage.

•Norway became the sixth country to legalize same-sex marriage on May 11, 2008.

•Netherlands (Holland) has full marriage and registered partnership rights for same sex or opposite sex couples.

•Belgium in 2003 became the second country in the world to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. Since 2006, gay and lesbian couples have been allowed to adopt children.

•Spain voted in June 2005 to extend full marriage rights to gay and lesbian citizens. The measure adds one sentence to existing Spanish marriage law: Marriage will have the same requirements and results when the two people entering into the contract are of the same sex or of different sexes.
•Portugal became the sixth European country to allow same-sex marriage with a law passed by parliament in January 2010 and signed by the president in May. Although same-sex marriage is now legal in Portugal, same-sex couples are not allowed to adopt children.
•Iceland began to allow same-sex marriage in June 2010.

BTW, my information comes from here...
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/wheremarriage.htm

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@cicerone imposter,

Which are these Middle East Muslim countries where women still are required to wear coveralls?

And I said getting educational qualifications without strenuous effort such as is required at Edinburgh to get an engineering degree.

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@spendius,

If you don't understand what I mean by "coveralls," you don't understand the statement, and you're one of the few in the world who doesn't.

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@djjd62,

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well you're an ass

Well you are a base, shallow, beggarly, counter-jumping knave. Aroint thee thou rump-fed ronyon.

I have just as much right to have my assertion believed as you have your's old boy. Moreso indeed, as I was making an effort to be polite.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If you don't understand what I mean by "coveralls," you don't understand the statement, and you're one of the few in the world who doesn't

You used the word "required". That's what I was contradicting. I didn't want others to understand your statement because it was false.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

Foofie wrote:

In fact, if tomorrow a pill was available that would make homosexuals become heterosexuals, what percentage of homosexuals would take the pill? A high percentage, I believe. So, in my opinion, it is only the collective lgbt organized agenda that claims homosexuality is normal and homosexuals should just enjoy their persuasion.

You're probably right Foofie. If there was a pill that could change a person's sexuality, I bet a lot of people would take it.

For that matter...

If there was a pill that made you blonde and blue eyed, I bet a lot would take it.

If there was a pill that let you change from male to female or vice versa, I bet a lot would take it. In fact, I bet many homosexuals would take this pill over your gay-away pill.

Name a reason that any person could possibly feel like they don't fit in, and if there is a pill for it, some number of people would take it. Sure. Fact is, these pills don't exist. More important still, they don't need to exist. Things like homosexuality or brown hair are not diseases. They don't require a cure.

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I cannot agree with you. Society should try to eventually offer homosexuals "a cure," in my opinion. It is not like brown hair. It is like hair that the owner knows makes him/her less attractive in the eyes of a large segment of society. So, if there was a pill to make one's hair a certain way (perhaps, silky straight, based on today's concept of "lovely" hair), then yes, many people with the supposed unattractive hair (based on society's current style) would take the hair correction pill. So might short people take a growth hormone to grow taller (already being done by parents of some short children).

And, the pill to cure homosexuality would not be mandated. But let us agree that many homosexuals would rather go through their one life "fitting in," so many would take the pill to become heterosexual. So, the "gay rights movement' could be looked upon as somewhat ingenuous in its claim that homosexuality is "normal," if many homosexuals would very quickly take a "straight pill," if it was available.

In other words, like it or not, much of the lgbt community has internalized the social mores of straight society, and are just reflecting perhaps a bit of over-compensation, or wishful thinking, for their claim that homosexuality is no different than heterosexuality. It is different, since homosexuals are treated by a large segment of society as different. So are Jews, Catholics, and numerous ethnic groups. But, since many causes of differentness is based on one's family history, it cannot be corrected like shortness, or perhaps one's hair, or perhaps eventually, one's sexual orientation.

It might just be a matter of time. Until a straight pill is available for either a homosexual, or as a preventive for a pregnant woman, I understand that gays will continue to promulgate the belief that gayness is just another lifestyle, equal to the heterosexual lifestyle. And, in my own opinion, Santa Claus is also Jewish.

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