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California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2013 03:22 pm
Gay Couples In The Bible -
Now There's An Interesting Thought!
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Couples-In-The-Bible.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2013 03:38 pm
@RexRed,
I've visited Hagia Sofia several times, and it still amazes. It was built in 537, and it remains a great architectural icon from the time of the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires. It is huge inside, and one can go to the second floor up a stone ramp. It was constructed as a basilica first, then it became a mosque, and now it's a museum of the Turkish Republic.

I see new things every time I visit. Too bad about the current political upheaval in Taksim Square area; my favorite place in all of Istanbul where they have most of the good hotels and restaurants.



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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2013 04:15 pm
bump
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 12:58 am
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 06:30 am
@RexRed,
The fact that the parents of those kids are offensive is not relevant Rex.

You might be able to justify homosexual couples raising children but that is not the way to do it.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2013 08:20 pm
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2013 07:01 am
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 03:09 am
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 04:53 pm
@RexRed,
Rex you know that I value you and your input don't you?

I have never said that there is no god but I do have questions about what we have been taught.

Being you are clergy do you think your bible is the word of God? It say that people like me should be put to death because I support people like you. Am I reading it incorrectly?


Romans 1:18-32

New International Version (NIV)
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 06:38 pm
@reasoning logic,
All sins are forgivable, save one: (Matthew 12:31) ". . . On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven."

But what is blasphemy against the spirit? Perhaps Paul gives an explanation: (Hebrews 10:26)" . . .  For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left. . ."

Neither of you seem to have an "accurate knowledge of the truth" . . .

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 07:43 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left. . ."


In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 07:56 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven."

Would you consider my thoughts about the church duking you as if you were intellectually challenged and not not able to think on your own to also be blasphemy against the spirit?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 12:28 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Would you consider my thoughts about the church duking you as if you were intellectually challenged and not not able to think on your own to also be blasphemy against the spirit?
No.
First of all, you don't appear to have accurate knowledge.
Secondly, there are often collateral consequences of sin. For example, a thief may repent and be forgiven by God, yet not escape jail time.
Those who are swept along by the winds of this world may encounter other avoidable difficulties: due penalty for their error, so to speak.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 04:02 am
@neologist,
Quote:
No.
First of all, you don't appear to have accurate knowledge.
Secondly, there are often collateral consequences of sin. For example, a thief may repent and be forgiven by God, yet not escape jail time.
Those who are swept along by the winds of this world may encounter other avoidable difficulties: due penalty for their error, so to speak.


I seem to agree with every thing you said but I do have to ask why do you think you have accurate knowledge?

What evidence do you have that being gay is a sin or should I say "immoral" or a "bad thing"?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 04:37 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I seem to agree with every thing you said but I do have to ask why do you think you have accurate knowledge?
Didn't say I do. It's just apparent you do not.
reasoning logic wrote:
What evidence do you have that being gay is a sin or should I say "immoral" or a "bad thing"?
We all fight against our inherited sinful inclinations. It's homosexual behavior that is a sin.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 06:24 am
@neologist,
Quote:
It's homosexual behavior that is a sin.


Exactly what is there about homosexuality that is sinful?
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 06:36 am
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
What evidence do you have that being gay is a sin or should I say "immoral" or a "bad thing"?


I would suppose that the number of "un-outed" homosexuals is evidence of some reservations.

Doesn't being in a persecuted minority enable devotees to be continually talking about themselves and especially when their activities are officially approved of? By this continuous talking the public become desensitized to the issues.

If there was no general sense of homosexuality being a sin or immoral or a bad thing there would be no point in discussing the matter.

Hence--it is useful to homosexuals that they are generally considered outcasts even though they are not.

I don't know the accuracy or the value of this link but somebody has taken the trouble to publish it.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a02rStatistcs.html

Fans of group sex are quite discreet regarding their life style.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 06:53 am
@spendius,
Quote:
If there was no general sense of homosexuality being a sin or immoral or a bad thing there would be no point in discussing the matter.


We are evolving and no longer believe what our senses tell us all the time, "Now we try to use logical reasoning to support our ideas.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 07:00 am
@reasoning logic,
A well outed lesbian is the chief presenter on Channel Four's Royal Ascot broadcasts. Ms Clare Balding.

Quote:
Balding has close family links to horse racing: her father, Ian Balding, trained Mill Reef, 1971 winner of the Epsom Derby, Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe and King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes; and her younger brother, Andrew Balding, trained Casual Look, the winner of the 2003 Epsom Oaks. The latter win led to a very emotional post-race interview with her brother. Her uncle Toby Balding has trained winners in The Grand National, Cheltenham Gold Cup and Champion Hurdle. Furthermore, her grandfather was the trainer Peter Hastings-Bass and her maternal uncle the 17th Earl of Huntingdon was once trainer to Queen Elizabeth II. Her maternal grandmother, Priscilla Hastings, is descended from the Earls of Derby and was one of the first women elected to membership of the Jockey Club.

She formalised her relationship with the BBC Radio 4 continuity announcer and newsreader Alice Arnold in September 2006 by entering into a civil partnership. The couple live in Chiswick, London.


She doesn't whinge. She flouts it. On her own rather than in the anonymity of a parade.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 07:07 am
@spendius,
This is how highly thought of she is--

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She became a trainee with BBC National Radio in 1994, working on 5 Live, Radio 1 (presenting the sport on the Chris Evans Breakfast Show), Radio 2 and Radio 4. In June 1995, she made her debut as a television presenter, introducing highlights of Royal Ascot. The following year she began presenting live, and in December 1997 she became the BBC's lead horse racing presenter after the retirement of Julian Wilson, and has fronted coverage of the Grand National.

Balding has reported from five Olympic Games, for BBC Radio in Atlanta and for BBC Television in Sydney, Athens, Beijing and London. She has presented two Paralympic Games, the Winter Olympics from Turin and Vancouver as well as the Commonwealth Games from Melbourne and Delhi. She is the face of the BBC's rugby league coverage, having presented Grandstand from a Rugby League Challenge Cup semi-final, and having been so impressed by the vibrancy and physical challenge of the sport she asked to cover further rugby league events.

She also presents the Lord Mayor's Show as well as other live events for the BBC, such as Trooping the Colour and New Year's Eve. In March 2010 she presented Channel Four's coverage of Crufts.

She also presents the walking programme Ramblings for BBC Radio 4 (where she also stands-in on the Saturday Live programme), and Wimbledon for 5 Live.

During the 2009 Grand National, Balding commented on winning jockey Liam Treadwell's teeth and suggested that he could "get them done" with his prize fund. The BBC received 1,477 complaints about the comment, leading to an apology from both the presenter and the BBC.

In 2010, Balding presented a BBC TV series that retraced some of Harold Briercliffe's British cycle tours. She joined Chris Evans as co-host of Channel 4's Famous and Fearless in January 2011. That show has since been cancelled because of poor ratings.

In August 2011 Balding joined BBC's Countryfile, temporarily replacing Julia Bradbury while she was on maternity leave, co-hosting the show with Matt Baker. Bradbury returned in February 2012.

From February to March 2012 she presented "Sport and the British" on BBC Radio 4, a thirty-part series looking at the impact of sports on British life.

Balding was a lead presenter on Channel 4's Paralympics TV coverage.

In August 2012 it was reported that Balding would be presenting Channel 4's racing coverage, while still retaining an option to work for the BBC on non-racing programmes such as rugby league.

In October 2012, she appeared before an All Party Parliamentary Group on Women's Sport, with Katherine Grainger, Hope Powell and Tanni Grey-Thompson. "Women having freedom to play sport leads directly to women having political freedom," said Balding.

She has served as one of the presenters on BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

She is the new regular presenter of 'Good Morning Sunday' on BBC Radio 2 taking over from Aled Jones.

Balding is the presenter of Britain's Brightest, which began in January 2013 - 'Ordinary people with extraordinary minds face a series of nail-biting challenges and demanding puzzles as they battle to become crowned as Britain's Brightest'.

In March 2013 she anchored Channel 4's coverage of the Cheltenham Festival.

Balding was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2013 Birthday Honours for services to broadcasting and journalism.
 

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