California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

Then I will ask you again. If they are not homosexuals then what are they? Bisexuals? I'm sure there were some but do they materially change the statistics? And it doesn't matter if you want to call them gay or bi we are talking about those who engage in homosexual behavior.

I know his argument is weak but in this instance so is yours. Back up your claim.

No not at all and if I had a God I would define him the same way. I just can not see that to be the case with the God of the bible.

Before I take the time to read these magazines that you refer to would you kindly share a few names and why you think they are credible and not biased because of religious beliefs?

I will be honest I did research one but only a little and found him to be problematic but I also seen where he was creditable of some things. I am a busy man and if you will help me on the research a little I would appreciate it.

If there was a God only he would know. Who knows what they all are? Some of them may be homosexual, some may be Bi and some may even experiment with animals, females and males. Who really knows.
I will be honest with you, I do find some of what you share as useful but I would rather use the info to help educate the world of homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals rather than to use it to degrade one gender or another.

All groups of people have some very bad things about their characters and I chose to inform all rather than to denounce any. group.

You don't need God to tell you that. You just call a spade a spade. An individual who is a male that wants to have sex with another male is engaging in homosexual behavior. The age of the victim is irrelevant. They are engaging in homosexual behavior.

There is NOTHING to suggest anything otherwise. You see, this is the ONLY defense that homosexuals have to the massive amount of pedophilia in the homosexual community. They simply claim that those homosexuals who have sex with people who are underage aren't ACTUALLY homosexuals... they're some kind of third sexuality... They have nothing to back this up except for one blog entry by a self-described homosexual apologist. That's not evidence. It's an excuse.

I've provided LOADS of homosexuality and pedophilia links and you all just ignore it because you don't like what it says. Well I don't really care if you like what it says or not. I'm simply concerned with the numbers and the facts. And the numbers and the facts indicate that there is an epidemic of pedophilia in the homosexual community. Those same numbers indicate that homosexuality is a plague on a civilized and otherwise productive society.

"No not at all and if I had a God I would define him the same way. I just can not see that to be the case with the God of the bible. "

Then I suggest you go reread Jesus' doctrine. Jesus' God is a God of love and a God of justice.

That is cool but rather ridicule the individual with the research information that you think you have acquired, why not help him to be the best homosexual that he can be by supporting him and warning him of things that you find to be detrimental to him? OK you think you are but are you aware that he is being him and you will not change his nature no matter how hard you try? Why not use the info that you think you have to build him up?

Jesus is the only good thing that the bible has going for it and I think it was the work of the Jewish sect "The Therapeutae"

LoL @ Rex... what a pathetic response

You didn't address ANY of my arguments. You didn't refute ANY point that I had made or any statistic I provided... all you did was sling ad hominem attacks.

You see folks, this is how the homosexual agenda reacts. They cannot successfully defend their position. When they recognize they've encountered an argument that they cannot refute, they begin to attack, label and attempt to silence the opposition through shame. They even start asserting that those people who disagree with them must be homosexuals themselves. They have to do this because homosexuality makes you mentally and emotionally weak. Hence all of the suicides. Another reason homosexuality should be taught against.

BTW Rex, this is from the link you provided:
"This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, 'Why?'" says Ryan. "Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection."

So basically he's making the argument that if you don't like pedophilia and you don't think pedophiles should be able to have sex with children and if you think pedophilia should be a criminal offense... then you probably have desires to have sex with a 5 year old. Considering your response to the ACLU earlier... according to the link you provided, you might have some desires for pedophilia. But you don't believe that do you?

For the record, the earth is billions of years old. The 7 days of creation are not 7 days. They are referencing time periods. Each day lasting millions, possibly billions, of years and encompassing some very important event which is described in Genesis. We are still in the 7th day today... the day of Gods' rest. When the 7th day ends so will life as we know it.

But of course you won't actually address any points I've made. You'll just try to call me names because you can't refute my argument.

Because he doesn't WANT to be built up. He doesn't WANT to hear that what he's doing is detrimental. He doesn't want to change his lifestyle. Just like the pedophile or incestuous person or polygamist... they don't want to change their lecherous lifestyle. They want to continue in it. Not only do they want to continue in it, but they expect us to accept their disgusting behavior as being moral and something we need to teach our children is okay.

Saying it was just written by some sect doesn't make sense and I'll tell you why.

Ignoring the fact I'm a christian and believe in Jesus Christ.

SOMETHING happened around 0-33AD that caused a mass migration of people out of old religions that their father's, father's, father's, father's, father's father had followed. Something powerful enough to cause a massive shift in the way people believed. So what was it that occured that caused all of these people to change their long-held personal and family beliefs to this new religion called Christianity?

Are you being intellectually honest with yourself? Have you ever met a person that does not like praise? We all want to feel welcome, How welcome do you think you have made Rex feel? If you truly do care you may want to consider a different approach.

But you can't build someone up and help them fix their life by telling them that the detrimental behavior they're engaging in is acceptable.

That's like saying you build up and help fix the heroin addicts life by telling him that shooting heroin is okay.

It doesn't work that way. You can't justify the behavior otherwise you undermine the entire process.

I think it may have been logical reasoning in it's infancy and I would think that people like, Socrates, Plato and the therapeutae may have played a major role. Would you care to share evidence against my statement?

Sure, you're describing events that occur over time. The gradual change of a society's mindset.

What happened in the early part of the christian religion was not a gradual change. It was an ABRUPT change.

Nowhere has the introduction of anew philosophical concept caused an abrupt change in society's mindset. Those types of changes happen over time.

Care to try again?

I'll tell you what does cause an abrupt change... Jesus Christ.

I agree with you But are you empirically certain that it is Rex and not you who may be at fault? Could we all be at fault?



If you knew for certain that the heroin addicts life was going to end tomorrow what harm would there be in him doing so? I know what you are saying but Rex is being himself and I do not see any more harm in what he is doing than what I can see in the things that we do as heterosexuals as a matter of fact it seems that Rex has a lover that he has been waiting for a very long time and he has not been engaging in any of the acts that you may accuse him of.

Why not let Rex experience just a little of what he has dreamed of without you being hateful?

What do you mean by an abrupt change?

First of all let me say I completely disagree with what you just said. I think his lifestyle is extremely harmful not only to himself but to those around him and society as a whole.

That being said... I will accept that you actually feel that way... if you'll acknowledge that you think it's perfectly acceptable for that argument to apply to incestuous couples.

Let the 50 year old dad and his 20 year old son or daughter experience what they have dreamed of without others being hateful. Right?

Not only that, but we should allow them to teach our children in school that if they want to engage in the incestuous lifestyle and they're adults, then it's just as valid as any other relationship.

I've said this time and again. I don't give a fat baby's behind what Rex does in his own home. He can be as gay as he wants to be and nobody is going to stop him. He can put on a feathered boa and prance around with anal beads and his moms underwear on, while his gay buddy pleasures himself in the corner before they ahve a night of wild sex. I don't care. It's his eternal soul that he's sacrificing and it's his life he's screwing up.

HOWEVER, when Rex starts telling me that I have to pay my hard earned money to support that lifestyle. It DOES become my business. When Rex starts telling me that I have to allow homosexuals to stand in the same locker room with my child while he/she has to change clothes in high school. It does become my business. When Rex starts telling me that he has the right to push his derelict lifestyle on my children in school and I can't do anything about it... it DOES become my business.

If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

OK I agree that moral philosophy can abruptly change things when one becomes aware but being we are animals and live in the animal kingdom, do you know what has the greatest influence on other animals? Violence! That is correct if you threaten others with violence to worship your God they will conform or die, is this not the history of religion?

You do realize that man will evolve and there is nothing you can do to stop it? Sure you can slow it down with violence but it will still evolve.

Jesus never threatened anyone with violence if they did not convert. Jesus did speak of hell but hell is not a place of violence. Hell is not a place with a red guy with a pitchfork that pokes you in the butt for eternity. Hell is destruction. When you are thrown into hell you are simply and utterly destroyed.

And I don't see the problem. God takes you from nothingness and offers you the possibility of eternal life. If you do what you're supposed to do you will receive eternal life. If you choose to not do what you're supposed to do... God simply destroys you and sends you back to the nothingness from whence you came. It's a win/win situation. What's the problem?