California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

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Oh I see you just care about the male chauvinist doctrine and the infallible Jesus portrayed by highly fallible words in one instance allowing a woman to think she was a dog because she was merely a Gentile.

An infallible Jesus would have said, no humans are inherently dogs...

I really question if you understand what a metaphor is or an analogy. And I'm almost certain you know almost nothing about context and cross-referencing.

Where are you getting this BS from, Rex. You expect shadow to defend a straw man?

You are angry with God because the Bible condemns homosexual behavior. It does not condemn those who may have homosexual feelings. It also condemns fornication. But it does not condemn those who resist lecherous impulses. We all have our struggles with the imperfections bestowed on us by Adam's sin. But we have the hope that, one way or another, the God who created us will set all matters straight.

Personally, I could care less about who does what with whom. That is a matter between that person and God. But I am bothered by putting the stamp of authenticity on what is at best a difficult, if not unhealthy, if not sinful lifestyle. Many young people, including myself, go through or have gone through periods where they question their gender or sexuality:

Some become attracted to members of their own sex. This does not define them as either homosexual or bisexual. Maturity will bring about definition.
In the case of gender dysphoria, how many get a chance to hear from a professional about a normal condition called autogynophilia? This feeling does not define one as being transgendered. It's simply a matter showing the truth of the adage "I'm just a lesbian trapped in a male's body".

Normalizing gay marriage serves to pigeonhole those with gender issues before they have become mature enough to realize their own minds. It is pure hubris on the part of the homosexual community to insist on the label of marriage when a fairly constructed domestic partnership would give all the rights they need. Rights I have no desire to withhold.

Neo you have a right to your opinion and I mine.

In my opinion the only sin about mutual adult homosexuality is homophobia. That would make you a sinner but I will not hate the sinner, just the sin...

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

I have owned a copy of Youngs concordance to the Bible for 30 years...

When some people can't win an argument they simply then insult a person's credentials and if that does not work they insult their manhood...

I don't consider myself homophobic. But I don't want my grandsons to believe that homosexuality is just another trait like left handedness. It's not. And homosexuality cannot truly be defined, IMHO, until one reaches his or her late teens, perhaps even later. Considering the difficulties associated with the homosexual lifestyle, I cannot understand why there is such a demand for the marriage label.

In fact, well constructed domestic partnerships would allow brother and sister widow/widower arrangements as well as other well deserving partnerships deserving of the legal protections normally afforded by marriage.

My personal objections would disappear in a flash if the word marriage were dropped. God may have more to say; but I won't judge. In all our cases ". . . he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin". (Romans 6:7)

Jewish folklore has been excluded from the canon for a reason.

Conservative reaction to decision on gay Boy Scouts is sickening
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/24/boy-scouts-vote-gay-scouts-conservatives-angry

Whose reason, a pagan roman emperor's reason?

I knew I was homosexual at three years old... I was never molested as a child yet I knew what sex I was attracted to. I remember at least three times where I was attracted to the same sex as a very young child. Two of those times was when I was three years old. Good luck indoctrinating your grandsons with your own fears. Pretty sad when you could hate and breed fear into a child because they might be gay.

There is an 80% chance your granddaughters are bisexual but that is fine I guess huh?

I think the Scouts may have hit it spot on. Sexual identity, IMO, is still in formulation until 18, maybe later. So allowing scouts who consider themselves gay should do no harm, other than to those who have other issues. Gay scoutmasters would go against my understanding that this would place the stamp of authenticity on the gay lifestyle before kids are ready to make that decision.

BTW, I don't give much credence to those who claim that you can change your orientation through therapy or prayer. That may or may not be true on a case by case basis. I know of several men and women who have chosen to remain single in order to advance the teachings of the Bible.

You have a concordance but you don't understand how the the Hebrew canon was reached? Or the Christian canon? Bone up on your research, Rex.

You have always been my friend Neo, glad you are here to add your insight.

Gays are probably the best thing for boy scouts. And you will probably do well to consider those with "other issues" may very well be the straights and bisexuals... Homosexuals do not have a monopoly on "other issues"...

Was the Christian canon not decided upon by a roman emperor? I think I am quite happy with my level of education on the subject thanks.

The First Council of Nicaea (/naɪ'si:ə/; Greek: Νίκαια /'ni:kaɪja/) was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day İznik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This first ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[5][6]

You can argue with Wikipedia if you like...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

...and all dissenting voices to the creed were promptly taken out and executed. (those who did not confess the Godhead...)

Your case may be different. I have not walked in your shoes. I do know that for many, the questions do not become manifest until the age of 11 or so. You put a lot of hatred into my intent that I assure you is not there. After all, I agonized over this for about 5 years and know what the feeling is like. It's just that I eventually found my true definition and it happened to be straight. I've already had this conversation with my grandsons. Whatever comes from it, I know they won't feel like hiding under the covers.

Perhaps I was a bit coarse. Sorry. It didn't feel right getting upset with you because you have always been a good friend Neo...

No Neo, sexual preference at least for me was realized at a very young age.

Although I had not learned all there was about sex till I was older, the clear desires and urgings were there at a very young age. My mother bless her heart knew... She even when ordered by the church to abandon me refused and instead chose excommunication. That is a real saint folks...

Then let me add:

To those who believe, it must be certain, IMO, that the God who inspired the holy writings would have the power to preserve their accuracy.

First of all, the Hebrew canon was established by the end of the 5th century B.CE. It was only from these writings that the writers of the Christian Scriptures quoted, and by introducing such quotations with expressions like “as it is written,” they confirmed these as being the Word of God.

The Christian canon took some time to develop. But by the end of the 3rd century, at least four catalogues, those of Irenaeus, Clement, Tertullian, and Origen had already accepted the 'New Testament' much as we know it today. An earlier document, dated about 170 C.E., the Muratonian Fragment, was not discovered until the year 1740. Yet it verifies the others. In all, there are about 16 documents cataloging the Christian scriptures, all in agreement and dating from about 170 to 400 C.E.

There are now in excess of 13,000 manuscripts of the Christian scriptures from which translators may draw. One might be tempted to argue the abundance of copyists would produce an equal abundance of errors; but when you consider that most of the documents were transcribed with only a few of the available earlier manuscripts, there is a wealth of evidence assuring us of the accuracy of our modern day renditions.

Where do these rights come from? I guess you are talking about the rights that we as a society give to citizens by the laws we create.
You do see these laws moving further and further away from the conservative position that you hold "don't you?

CI replied.




Well sure if the behavior is harmful to others but what harm do you see in two couples of the same sex, having sex and being married?