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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 09:52 pm
Not sure why this site is not displaying some of my posts...
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 09:54 pm
Shadow X wrote:

BTW if you have an example of marriage before the bible... by all means, please produce it.


1 3000-2999 BCE or around 2980 Regent Queen Neithotep of Egypt. Chief wife was Queen Berenib, but Neithotep was the mother of his heir, Djer.

2 Around 2500 BCE Possible Queen Khent-Kaues I of Egypt. She was daughter of Menkau-Ra during the 4th dynasty, and married her brother Shepses-Kaf who succeeded his father to the throne.

3 Around 2295 BCE Regent Dowager Queen Iput of Egypt. She was the last of the 5th dynasty and married Faro Teti of the 6th Dynasty.

4 Around 2250-45 BCE Regent Dowager Queen Ankhesenmeryre I of Egypt. Together with her sister, Ankhesenmeryre II, she was married to Pepi I.

5 Ca. 2180 BCE Queen Nitocris of Egypt. She was daughter of Pepi II in the 6th dynasty, who became Queen, while her husband Meren-Ra II was not the pharaoh, at least for some time.

6 1939/38-1909 BCE God's Wife of Amon and Queen Neferu of Egypt. Neferu was the consort and Queen of Pharaoh Amenemhat I.

7 Around 1800 BCE Politically Active Queen Sabitu of Mari (Egypt). Also known as Szibitu, she acted as a regent during her husband, king Zimri-lim's numerous wars.

8 1594-after 1550 BCE Politically influential Queen Tetisheri of Egypt. She was a Queen during the 17th Dynasty in Thebes, and was the commoner wife of pharaoh Senachtenre (1594-1592). [/list=1]

9 Code of Hammurabi, c. 1780 BCE - Book written by the King of Babylonia - discusses marriage and its purpose within society.

Now can you post me a single scripture in the Bible that details a marriage ceremony? You seem to think biblical marriage is so dominant in the Bible yet a ceremony is never recorded. The Bible gives more details on how to build an ark than how to get married.

Just one scripture please. Maybe about how a bride wears white or how her father gives her away to her future husband. How about the brides maids and the best man any mention of them in the Bible? Come on, not even a single solitary reference about the exchanging of rings?

Here Comes the Bride, or the Wedding March as it is known, was written by a German composer named Richard Wagner in 1848

The Bible does mention a canopy but... No one today really knows why and how the canopy is supposed to fit into a marriage ceremony. How about the cutting of the cake or the throwing of the garter belt and rice? Tin cans on the back of the car and of course the "just married" sign.

What about strippers at the bachelor and bachelorette parties?

The Bible is totally silent on the marriage ceremony... So how much importance did the writers of the Bible place on marriage really then?

Oh but you could sell your 12 year old daughter to some old over the hill male for a cows and a few goats...

You have absolutely no grounds with which to claim marriage is a Biblical invention. Even some heterosexual and homosexual animals team up for life.
Shadow X
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 09:57 pm
@RexRed,
Genesis 2:24 records the first marriage in history - Adam and Eve. Jesus Himself expounded upon this (Matthew 19:4) when referencing marriage, as "the way it was from the beginning".

And marriage is not about the ceremony. It never has been. Marriage is about a man and a woman uniting and becoming one in the sight and approval of God.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 09:59 pm
@RexRed,
I find this verse very interesting; even god is a gender bigot.
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For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:05 pm
@Shadow X,
Well sadly Jesus was wrong... the way it was from the beginning was with single celled self replicating amoebas...

Then why even mention the canopy if it was not about ceremony?

Why specify how many goats a 12 year old girl is worth? And that is quite a bond a 12 year old and an old man. Is that the bond you speak of. Mary the mother of Jesus was about 14 and some ancient texts have Joseph to be around the age of 40... Is this the holy bond Jesus spoke of from the beginning?
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Shadow X
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
LOL shockingly both you and RexRed are being completely dishonest. Either that or you're ignorant of the scripture. Here folks the ENTIRE scripture that they only quoted part of is this:

1 Corinthians 7:4The wife has not power over her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband has not power over his own body, but the wife.

Oh but they only want to quote part of the scripture because they're being dishonest and lying through their teeth.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:09 pm
@Shadow X,
Yes, it does say the husband is the head of the wife and where does it reciprocate and say the wife is also the head of the husband?

Now who is being dishonest?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:10 pm
@Shadow X,
That still doesn't make it right; nobody should control another person - body or mind. NOBODY.
Shadow X
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:12 pm
@RexRed,
The bible is male-centric. No argument there. But it clearly teaches equality, especially in regards to Jesus Christs' teachings, as far as men and women are concerned. Jesus explicitly states there is no male or female in God. The bible was not going to point out the duality on every topic. Once it explicitly tells you that the female and male are one in the same, there's no point in pointing it out to you every time.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I agree 100% CI

Just as the Bible got slavery wrong also... Along with tons of other blunders.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:15 pm
@Shadow X,
Yes there is neither male nor female in Christ and the Apocrypha explains that. There Jesus says he will make all females into males...

Sons of God... Why sons and not daughters of God also?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:16 pm
@Shadow X,
You are very "selective" in how you interpret the bible.

Here's one,
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Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


In other words, shut up, woman!

My comment about god still stands; he's a gender bigot!
Shadow X
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That was not a teaching from God. Paul explicitly tells you thats his opinion.

Not to mention you'd have to understand my position on christianity. Jesus' doctrine is infallible. Anyone who disagrees with anything Jesus says is incorrect... that includes OT and NT scriptures.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:30 pm
@Shadow X,
Jesus infallible huh? As it was in the beginning, well didn't the first Eve run off with Lilith after she detached herself from Adam's back? A marriage made in paradise huh?
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:32 pm
@Shadow X,
Paul didn't even write Ephesians...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:35 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:37 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:39 pm
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Shadow X
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 10:39 pm
@RexRed,
Jesus was infallible. What does Eve and a claim of Lillith have anything to do with Jesus?

And it depends on who you ask about Paul. Most don't think it was Paul. I don't particularly care who the author is as the only doctrine that is relevant to me is Jesus Christ's.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 11:09 pm
Our story:Some couples meet online, and some meet through friends or public hang outs. All of that is perfectly fine, but every now and then something silly like love at first sight happens. I work for a veterinary clinic inside of a pet store. On a normal, busy day, I looked up to feel my heart inside my throat before I even realized it was because of HER. This random girl was the most beautiful person I had ever seen.. and for reasons I couldn't possibly explain, i HAD to know her. We got to talking about her appointment, doing routine. And I couldn't understand why I was so nervous, I could feel myself getting red. Long, beautiful, amazing story short... I left work that day feeling like my life had changed off of a three minute conversation with this stranger. Turned out, when I was telling the world about her, and my soul's strangely immediate reaction, she was doing the same. In a very old school way, we had a connection so inexplicable that we HAD to make it known to each other. Weeks later, we had our first date.. zip lining at the zoo, steak dinner, and Halloween Horror Nights at Universal! We have been inseparable ever since, with more love than I ever thought was possible. Before her, my life wasn't fulfilled. I have two children, and a strongly religious homophobic family who has disowned me for her, even doubting my mothering skills just off of being" dike" and disgusting. But I have a message to those who are scared... the world can't hate u for love! The world can only hate u for their own ignorance. And when u let go of the fear, well damn.. u may just find something life changing, forever. Trans,pan, gay, straight, bi, purple, butter knife.. I don't care! Love is meant for us all! And hell is so worth every kiss from ur soul mate. Ur family is the accepting ones of how beautiful u are
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