California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

I hope you are not insulted by being called a homophobe... You know what they say about homophobes they have deep seated sexual issues that go beyond just being gay...

You pointed out noting but shoddy studies that have no real basis in fact.

All to stroke your sick ego... Play the pedophile card and you suddenly feel justified in your homophobia...

I happen to be ordained clergy, so tell me again what Jesus said... Neither male nor female huh... while he in the next breath referred to a Gentile woman as a dog...

There is neither Jew nor Gentile either... huh...

So we believe in Jesus and our DNA changes and we are suddenly a race that is acceptable to the Bible's God... (cynical)

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Excerpt:
Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.

In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children"

Comment:
So you Shadow X can list yourself among Woman, Jew and black people haters... I assume you also think women should be slaves to their husbands as the Bible says... All the praying in the world will not take these abhorrent words from the Bible and make it socially or ethically sound.

You can put down and insult the Westboro baptists but you are no better than they are...

And what makes you so sure they are accurate? Do you think that there are not others like you who are not honest?

You're a bigot; there's no doubt. When it's true and proven factual, it's not an ad hominem. Study your dictionary - and your bible.

Didn't Jesus say, "Thou shalt not tempt the lord thy God" while he [Jesus] was being tempted in the desert?

Apparently you don't know the Bible as well as you pretend to...

"I hope you are not insulted by being called a homophobe... You know what they say about homophobes they have deep seated sexual issues that go beyond just being gay..."

Really? So does that mean if you dislike pedophilia that you actually like having sex with 5 year olds? Get that retarded crap out of here.

"You pointed out noting but shoddy studies that have no real basis in fact."

I didn't point out a study. I posted the department of Justices' report on THEIR statistics. Those are facts... whether you like them or not.

As far as the link you gave. I already answered it... I'll post the same thing to you that I posted to hingehead:

I challenge your assertion and want you to back up your claim. Every time I have this discussion with a homosexual, or someone who is supporting them, they always make this same argument about pedophiles can't be labeled homosexuals and they always source the EXACT same webpage/document:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/...olestation.html

The problem is, this is not a study or even a legitimate survey. This is a glorified blog entry by a self-described "internationally recognized authority on sexual prejudice (also called homophobia), hate crimes, and AIDS stigma." Not only is this not an actual scientific study, it is simply this one man surveying a group of studies that he hand picks ALL of which are from the 70's and 80's except for a couple. He then comes out and says "case closed, after reviewing all these studies that I hand picked, I've concluded that homosexuals cannot be pedophiles." Providing this as a "source" is tantamount to me sourcing Jerry Falwell who went and hand picked a group of studies from the 70's and 80's and he comes out and tells you that "case closed, after reviewing all these studies I've concluded that homosexuals are all pedophiles."

Now... How about you back up your claim. Show that pedophiles have no sexual attraction to adults. Show that pedophiles have no preference in regards to the gender of their victim. Until then a male pedophile that has sex with a young boy is a homosexual

You see this is nothing more than an excuse. The only way homosexuals can justify the absolute ABSURDLY high rate of pedophilia in the homosexual community is to say that the guy who wants to have sex with that young boy isn't ACTUALLY a homosexual... he's some kind of weird third sexuality so you can't pin those activities on homosexuality. It's a ludicrous position to take.

LoL cicerone starting to devolve into attacking someones character... signs of a losing argument.

See I don't have to attack your character. I simply need to attack your argument. Because you're wrong.

Wow... How about you go reread that. Jesus was taken by satan to the top of temple and satan told him... throw yourself off and God will send angels to save you (paraphrase). Jesus told him that JESUS cannot tempt God. In otherwords... Jesus is not going to force God to save him by throwing himself off of the top of temple. It's like when the bible tells you that you can drink poison and handle snakes. It's not telling you to purposefully do so and expect God to save you. That is called tempting God. However, if you ACCIDENTALLY ingest it or handle a snake, God has the ability to save you.

The same thing is true with Jesus. If Jesus had accidentally slipped God would have saved him. But Jesus was not going to tempt God by throwing himself off of the temple and forcing Gods' hand.

What is it that makes them facts? You do know that you have told lies in your life don't you? What makes you so sure that others have not lied about what they shared?

Playing the Pedophilia Card
http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm

No need to apologize for your homophobic words. I hope you don't offend yourself...

Those are based on arrests made and the demographics involved therein.

Unless you're saying there's some massive conspiracy by all police officers to make homosexuals look like sexual predators then I don't really see your point.

And if you are saying that then you're just deluding yourself to continue to advance the homosexual agenda in the face of absolutely damning numbers.

I didn't play the card. I posted statistics. If you don't like the statistics, take it up with the homosexuals.

BTW it's hilarious that the link you provided quoted the EXACT same study from 1978 that is used to make this argument in the other link that you gave. The problem is, that study has been shown to be discredited time and time again. Do you know why? Because the individual doing the study simply stated that if a man wanted to have sex with a young boy, then he simply declared him a fixated pedophile.

I don't give a fat baby's behind what kind of politically correct motivated semantic BS that you want to peddle... but if a man wants to have sex with another male... he is gay. And there is NOTHING in that 1978 study that indicates that the "fixated pedophile" (as he calls them... homosexuals as they are in reality...) has no interest in adult partners.

I've seen that study time and again. Show me ANYWHERE in that study that those people indicated that they had no desire for adult partners. It's not there. He made it up. That's why it's been discredited.

You posted statistics created by homophobes like yourself...

No, not when an obvious bigot shows their ugly persona on a2k.

You're a christian and a bigot? Do you also discriminate against minorities?

How about Jews?

LoL so now the Department of Justice are homophobes? ahahaha

The depths you people will sink to, to defend pedophilia in the homosexual community is absolutely disgraceful.

Notice something folks... You won't see me attack him... you'll see me attack his arguments. He cannot refute my arguments... so he must resort to attacking my character.

By any standard... you've lost.

OK I read this the same way as you do but will you agree that we both read other parts different than each other and some of what you say may be correct as where some of what I say may be wrong?

Is it also possible that some of what I have been saying is correct and you are wrong in your understanding?
Brother I think it may be possible that you have been very wrong on this subject but if you were to be intellectually honest you would think to yourself that this is not possible wouldn't you? Is it because you have been making God in your own image all along?

Nobody said anything about massive conspiracies. Only you did!

Did you ever study christian crimes against children, their spouse, and homosexuals?

They're easy to find on Google. Try it.

I'll even help you get started.
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2012/12/for-the-first-time-hate-crimes-against-gays-outnumber-those-against-religion.html

Mental calisthenics so you can believe Jesus was a man... Twist and wrench the word so it fits your own dogma.

You use the same rationality to condemn those who don't fit YOUR standards...

What if the Bible was ambiguous on purpose to weed out the radicals like yourself and those on the equal and opposite side of the fence?

Did Adam and Eve have a navel, I am sure you have an adamant answer for that one too...

I am willing to admit there are portions of the bible I could be wrong on and I have an open mind to discuss them.

However, I will say this. I believe the bible (specifically Jesus' doctrine) is absolutely logical, IF you make one assumption. That assumption is that God DOES exist. If you make that assertion, then the bible is logical. If the bible is logical then that means you can prove an individuals doctrine using context and cross referencing. For instance... if you have someone who says that "oooo Jesus told you to hate your mother and father, so he wants you to hate people"... well okay that is certainly one way to interpret it... however that interpretation does not work when you consider the context and you cross reference that belief with other doctrine from Christ. For instance Jesus teaches you to "love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you." So either, Jesus was lying, or he contradicted himself, or the interpretation of the first scripture was incorrect. Jesus was not lying and he does not contradict himself. Therefore the first interpretation must be incorrect.

That's exactly what you're saying if you think that the statistics from http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf are just "made up by homophobes" like the other guy said.

From that link... and I quote
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs.