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Avoiding the Politics threads - You, too?

 
 
Letty
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 10:18 am
Shocked Well, call me irresponsible, but I just posted a thread in the political category. Will I be the next victim in the "rue" morgue? Laughing

Hi, MsOlga. All things being considered, I'd rather be singing war songs, but not in Philadelphia. Razz
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 01:59 pm
I posted a topic, twice, in the international news forum that has gone unnoticed.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12473&highlight=

I'll post it here, but please, if you do respond, post it over there. Thanks

On the WTO, Western Economic Imperialism and Predation; and Third World solidarity

As witnessed by the latest meeting of the WTO in Cancún, Mexico, the governments of Europe, Japan and the United States of America, the "G-3," merely pay lip service to the idea of "free trade." Like previous WTO meetings, there was no change in these countries' stance on agricultural subsidies, those that allow the flooding of world markets with artificially low priced produce at the expense of Third World farmers who are unable to compete in the artificial market.

The EU lead these countries in agricultural subsidies that total $41 billion dollars a year acording to a report published by the Center for the New Europe (CNE), "EU Trade Barriers Kill." It also imposes agricultural import tariffs between 20 and 250 percent. The U.S. of A's subsidies avarage $20 billion dollars annually ("Rethinking U.S. Agricultural Policy: Changing Course to Secure Farmer Livelihoods Worldwide," Daryll Ray, director of the University of Tennessee's Agricultural Policy Analysis Centre (APAC), co-author). Japan imposes a 500 percent tariff on imported rice according to Stephen Castle in his article "Rich nations on back foot as poor seek fairer trade," The Independent.

The The First World countries, in turn, demand unfettered foreign investment, and reduced import taxes--taxes placed on their selfsdame subsidized produce.

Their interests lie, not in "free markets," but in unilateral protectionism, and corporate control of developing countries' resources.

One positive aspect of the Cancún meeting was the increasing solidarity of the developing world countries, "G-21," twenty-one countries lead by Brazil, China and India. They refused to cave on the demands of the G-3. Cancún is regarded as a failure, with little or nothing having been achieved by either side.

"The main demand of the Group of 21 is that Europe and the United States end subsidies that allow agricultural producers to dump -- or sell below cost -- farm products into poorer countries and, in so doing, put local farmers out of business." writes Jane Bussey in her September 12 column in The Miami Herald "Nations dig in their heels at WTO face-off."

She goes on to quote Pedro Camago, the former agricultural trade negotiator for Brazil and an observer at these talks: ''We had to have a priority, which was agricultural dumping. Export dumping is difficult to defend. We have all the non-government organizations on our side -- both American and European.''

S. Lynne Walker, Copley News Service, in her September 16 article "Suicide underscored power shift in WTO" quotes John Cavanagh, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Policy Studies, "For the first time in over two decades, the most powerful poor countries have gotten together and taken a stand in their interests. They stood up to pressure that, in other times, they would not have been able to do. This may be a new era."

Walker's article refers to the protest suicide of South Korean farmer Kyung-hae Lee, who had lost his land after cheap, imported milk began pouring into South Korea.

"Lee stabbed himself in the heart as he sat atop a fence during a violent protest against the trade organization. He wore a sign saying, "WTO kills farmers" and led a crowd of 7,000 protesters in anti-trade chants before taking his life," she writes.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 03:12 pm
Msolga

You are in complete control----these are your options---you decide:

1. You can act like a disinterested observer----if you can convince yourself

2. You can be an interested observer but no guts to participate.

3. You can participate by firing a missive and then just observe the reaction but then don't have the guts to actively participate when the reaction is negative.

4. You can get in there and actively participate and post a very worthwhile article only to have some lunatic pick one little item and sidetrack the entire discussion.

5. You may want to only join in those discussions that support your agenda and openly taunt any participants who do not agree with you.

6.You may be the type that is very prolific but will fly into a rage the instant a conservative disaggrees with them and loses all control by using foul language and name calling. Unfortunately these are often the most prolific and so are impossble to escape----these are the worst and spoil the action for everyone.

7. So Msolga--- you are in complete control----you decide.

PS: I have been guilty of all the above except the use of foul language so you can place me in any category except 6.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 04:04 pm
I pay a fair amount of attention to a lot of issues worldwide. I am definitely interested in politics. I have read relatively broadly but shallowly about many politics-related subjects.
By shallow I don't mean that my ideas are silly, but that my reading really brings me spurts of information that I try to find a niche for in my world-view, a worldview that is therefore always slightly - and sometimes more than slightly - changing. Or if not changing as such, resettling.

This is a personal process, and I am not particularly interested in arguing about it, about where I am in the process. I am not interested in changing anyone else's view, except as some kind of miracle concept. I actually read the political threads to hear good argumentation and possibly learn.

If I do make comments, I am not interested in backing up my concepts with web links. I don't always mind reading other people's weblinks - sometimes find them helpful - but surely am not interested in baths of them.

The repetitive pounding of each other's points (or personality, or intelligence) that happens in politics and religion threads isn't interesting, quickly bores me, even if I agree with the pounder. Batter batter, over thy crags, oh, sea! More is not better.

I also am not delighted with a link as a topic, and no followup
comment by the topic poster, at the same time I appreciate the effort to post the topic.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 04:42 pm
The moderators would be very interested in the prolific foul-mouthed name calling. Exactly where is this occuring?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 04:46 pm
I think perception misses a very important option - 8. observing, and being wise enough not to participate in the circus.

there is also the flip side of 6. (which is why i make it 9 rather than 8)
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You may be the type that is very prolific but will fly into a rage the instant a
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disagrees with them and loses all control by using foul language and name calling. Unfortunately these are often the most prolific and so are impossble to escape----these are the worst and spoil the action for everyone.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 04:58 pm
Whether name calling is foulmouthed or couched in other more polite ways it is still name calling, and loses amusement value with use. Sometimes I think what is going on is not argumentation or serious swordplay but "who can I drive away by being obnoxious?".

Many are driven away, but not usually the person called the name, because that person, of course, has Honor at stake. Real argument/discussion is the loser, while the name calling moves along.

I'm not the biggest fan of taunting either, but have to be realistic about my whining.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:24 pm
truth
A well balanced perspective, Osso. I don't get involved in the politics section because I would only do so if people were motivated to make constructive efforts as opposed to the obvious motivation of venting their internal rage on victims who they feel deserve it because of their political perspectives. Not worth my time. But it seems that other sections also have more than a modicum of unnecessary aggression. I've seen a number of serious individuals with unpopular views grossly mistreated. A few of these "victims" seem to bring it upon themselves by responding with comments as obnoxious as those addressed to them. A2K will only be as mature and constructive as are its participants. I would not favor too much monitoring; but I would like to corral the "flames" whenever possible.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:35 pm
I second what jlnobody and ossobuco have said here.
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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:44 pm
J.L. Somehow, I have missed "the other sections" of which you speak. Please explain
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:46 pm
truth
Check out aliens, gay clergy, and others.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:48 pm
Aliens and gay clergy...what a concept! Shocked
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:53 pm
truth
Pretty banal to me.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:55 pm
You obviously are not getting the visuals I am. Wink
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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 05:57 pm
ok, hobit. You made me laugh. This is supposed to be a serious thread...Hmmmm. Cold Comfort Farm. Something narsty in the woodshed..I'm sorry, J.L. ....As Frost once observed.."As I was remarking when truth broke in...." From "Birches. "
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 06:48 pm
truth
Hobit, NOW I am. Thanks a lot. Laughing
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 06:50 pm
truth
Letty, we ARE serious...well at least we're not rude. Smile
Not referring to YOU, of course--the so-called flamers.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 07:12 pm
Hey now, my best male friend is quite the flamer, although I think he might draw the line at aliens! Wink
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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 07:14 pm
Resisting the urge to sing "My Old Flame"................................. Very Happy Smile Laughing Razz
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2003 07:18 pm
All right everyone...this is serious business here, you, Richard, off with the garter belt, be a love...
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