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Question for All Obama Haters

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 03:02 pm
@Bella Dea,
Bella Dea wrote:

Oh good grief no.

But that's not what this thread is about, is it?

And if you googled lies about Obama and lies about McCain, who do you think would get more hits?

Let's try it.....

I just tried it and both max out at 1o pages of hits. I have certainly seen a lot of negative ads on TV and posts here about McCain, and most of the posts are about things that have nothing to do with the campaign, e.g. Palin's daughter's sex life. You seem to be making a blithe and as yet unsupported claim that Obama is more that target of character assassination than McCain. You're assuming a lot of facts not in evidence.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 03:32 pm
I don't hate Obama at all. Can I still comment?

I won't vote for him before because I do not believe him. I do not believe he loves his country based on the company he has kept over all these years. I do not believe he is being honest about the influence of those relationships. I do not believe that he believes his own hype or he would not be able to so easily shift and alter words or dump people when they becomes politically liabilities.

I, however, do believe his intentions of what he wants to accomplish as President and I believe those intentions reflect intentions to implement a soft Marxism and socialism that will greatly increase the power, size, and influence of government to the detriment of the country. I do believe he wears his hostility toward anyone who opposes or disagrees with him on his sleeve and I think that he will try to silence voices of opposition.

And finally, I believe him when he says he will appoint judges who share his ideology and will make that as important as strict interpretation of the Constitution and law.



Phoenix32890
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 04:36 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre- I completely agree with you.

Quote:
I do believe he wears his hostility toward anyone who opposes or disagrees with him on his sleeve and I think that he will try to silence voices of opposition.


I was very disturbed when I found that the Obama campaign refused to deal with the TV channel that aired, politely and respectfully, what were, IMO, very legitimate and important questions about Obama's philosophy.

The next thought that crossed my mind, is that if he indeed becomes president, how will he react to any newspaper, TV or radio stations if he is subject to criticism, as are all public figures?
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 05:15 pm
@Brandon9000,
Quote:

I just tried it and both max out at 1o pages of hits.


Are you sure you know how to google, Brandon?
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 05:29 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
I won't vote for him before because I do not believe him. I do not believe he loves his country based on the company he has kept over all these years. I do not believe he is being honest about the influence of those relationships.


This is an Asherman, Gob1 trick, Foxy and it's certainly worthy of you. Explain yourself and then everyone can laugh you off the stage.

Quote:

I do not believe that he believes his own hype or he would not be able to so easily shift and alter words or dump people when they becomes politically liabilities.


Compared say to, G Bush or John McCain.

Quote:
I, however, do believe his intentions of what he wants to accomplish as President and I believe those intentions reflect intentions to implement a soft Marxism and socialism that will greatly increase the power, size, and influence of government to the detriment of the country.


"soft Marxism", jesus christ, you have an exceedingly poor, warped sense of politics.


Quote:
I do believe he wears his hostility toward anyone who opposes or disagrees with him on his sleeve and I think that he will try to silence voices of opposition.


More Gob1 tricks. You absorb conservative talking points like a sponge.

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And finally, I believe him when he says he will appoint judges who share his ideology and will make that as important as strict interpretation of the Constitution and law.


I don't understand what you're saying here. But the only real advances have come from liberal courts. Blacks and other minorities were subjugated for far too long precisely because the courst were peopled with conservative thinkers, much like yourself. If segregation were still the norm, I'm quite sure you'd be right at the forefront defending it.

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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 05:55 pm
@Bella Dea,
Bella Dea wrote:

Do you just sit around in your dark little room, twiddling your thumbs and thinking up new and ridiculous claims against Obama?


I doubt that the people who buy this bullshit would have the brain power to come up with any of these ridiculous smears--even the most idiotic of them. I mean, seriously, can you actually imagine cjhsa thinking up anything original? **** no. These idiots get their ideas just the same way they've been getting them for the past eight years. Some ******* scumbag with no conscience makes them up and sends them out in e-mails to a targeted group of tools (and that is literally what they are to these people--tools to be used) who jump up and down, grunt a lot in affirmation and appreciation, and send them off to all their friends and family.

If they hadn't already caused so much damage with their idiocy, I'd actually pity the stupid fucks.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 06:35 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I was very disturbed when I found that the Obama campaign refused to deal with the TV channel that aired, politely and respectfully, what were, IMO, very legitimate and important questions about Obama's philosophy.[/b]

You think asking the guy "how Obama is not a Marxist" is a "very legitimate and important question"? Are you serious? I mean, that's pretty far out there.

Proposing to raise the tax rate on the wealthiest by a couple of percent - what is it, 36% to 39%? - when it was as high as 60% (Nixon) or 80% (Eisenhower) under Republican presidents of the past - that raises the question of whether Obama is a Marxist?

Suggesting that now is the time for tax cuts for the 95% of Americans who are not in the top tax brackets as a way to spread wealth suggests the guy is a Marxist?

How is that even a remotely reasonable contention to ask about?

I mean, I could care less - ask away, no matter how dumb the questions. But calling such questions "very legitimate and important" is kind of ... well ...

FWIW, I don't agree with the retort from Swampland that Soz posted -- I'm used to Dutch and English journalists, I think they should be able to ask anything they want. But yeah, if you ask questions that make you look slightly, umm, intellectually challenged, then you're probably no longer on the list of first people to talk to next time, thats the flip side. I mean, it's not like this was Fox or NBC, it was a local station. There's a dozen stations in every state. I think Obama, McCain and the lot should answer every question they encounter, but considering how few days they got left I don't blame them if they choose to give the next interview on another station either. I mean, you wouldnt expect McCain to go on Air America or Obama to go on Rush Limbaugh in the midst of an election campaign either. That hardly portends some kind of general clampdown on the media in their presidencies.

And I mean, dear God, to think of the context here - Sarah Palin was kept out of the media (all the media) for weeks on end, but if Obama/Biden stiffs one local station it's a portend of a media clampdown to come? And this is a fear seriously targeted at the Democrat after eight years of Bush giving less access to the media than any recent President?

And in seriousness, to complain that Obama "wears his hostility toward anyone who ... disagrees with him on his sleeve" when his opponent is John McCain, who cant keep himself from continuously rolling his eyes, sighing and smirking even in a televised debate when he's faced with Obama; who couldnt even stand looking Barack in the face in the first debate; who started every sentence with "what Sen. Obama doesnt understand" in one debate and scornfully referred to him as "that one" in another?

I mean, in a way you could even have sympathy for McCain for at least not dissembling about his disdain for his opponent, but to then complain that Obama wears his hostility on his sleeve?

Just .. yeah. Confused
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:09 pm
For fuk sakes...

Redistribution of wealth from those with much to those with little IS the purpose and the function of Reagan's Earned Income Tax Credit program. So Reagan is a Marxist. Jesus!
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:20 pm
@nimh,
00000
nimh wrote:

Phoenix32890 wrote:
I was very disturbed when I found that the Obama campaign refused to deal with the TV channel that aired, politely and respectfully, what were, IMO, very legitimate and important questions about Obama's philosophy.[/b]

You think asking the guy "how Obama is not a Marxist" is a "very legitimate and important question"? Are you serious? I mean, that's pretty far out there.

Proposing to raise the tax rate on the wealthiest by a couple of percent - what is it, 36% to 39%? - when it was as high as 60% (Nixon) or 80% (Eisenhower) under Republican presidents of the past - that raises the question of whether Obama is a Marxist?

Suggesting that now is the time for tax cuts for the 95% of Americans who are not in the top tax brackets as a way to spread wealth suggests the guy is a Marxist?

How is that even a remotely reasonable contention to ask about?

I mean, I could care less - ask away, no matter how dumb the questions. But calling such questions "very legitimate and important" is kind of ... well ...

FWIW, I don't agree with the retort from Swampland that Soz posted -- I'm used to Dutch and English journalists, I think they should be able to ask anything they want. But yeah, if you ask questions that make you look slightly, umm, intellectually challenged, then you're probably no longer on the list of first people to talk to next time, thats the flip side. I mean, it's not like this was Fox or NBC, it was a local station. There's a dozen stations in every state. I think Obama, McCain and the lot should answer every question they encounter, but considering how few days they got left I don't blame them if they choose to give the next interview on another station either. I mean, you wouldnt expect McCain to go on Air America or Obama to go on Rush Limbaugh in the midst of an election campaign either. That hardly portends some kind of general clampdown on the media in their presidencies.

And I mean, dear God, to think of the context here - Sarah Palin was kept out of the media (all the media) for weeks on end, but if Obama/Biden stiffs one local station it's a portend of a media clampdown to come? And this is a fear seriously targeted at the Democrat after eight years of Bush giving less access to the media than any recent President?

And in seriousness, to complain that Obama "wears his hostility toward anyone who ... disagrees with him on his sleeve" when his opponent is John McCain, who cant keep himself from continuously rolling his eyes, sighing and smirking even in a televised debate when he's faced with Obama; who couldnt even stand looking Barack in the face in the first debate; who started every sentence with "what Sen. Obama doesnt understand" in one debate and scornfully referred to him as "that one" in another?

I mean, in a way you could even have sympathy for McCain for at least not dissembling about his disdain for his opponent, but to then complain that Obama wears his hostility on his sleeve?

Just .. yeah. Confused


Nimh, this was one of those instances (and there have been many) wherein I was very glad that you were able to express with just the right amount of disquietude some things that I am busting to say, but am simply too overly flabbergasted at the gall I perceive.

Thank you.

I mean, jiminy christmas on horseback up a frikkin chimney!! Obama wears his hostility on his sleeve?!?!?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:29 pm
@Phoenix32890,
I didn't detect any respect or politeness in the questions.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:42 pm
@snood,
Quote:

Nimh, this was one of those instances (and there have been many) wherein I was very glad that you were able to express with just the right amount of disquietude some things that I am busting to say, but am simply too overly flabbergasted at the gall I perceive.



This has been going on for at least eight years, probably much longer. The absolute divorce from the truth is so breathtaking that it's hard to address.

Some are sneaky, like Gob1 and Asherman, and they couch all the BS in these wide, hard to pin down, platitudes. Others are simply just flat out liars.

Fer a furriner, Nimh sure does have a way with English words.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 10:05 pm
Ya just gotta love this headline from Newsmax...
Quote:
Biden Goes Nuts Again Over Tough Questions
http://election.newsmax.com/biden_bans.html
cjhsa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 05:47 am
@blatham,
What the hell is wrong with Biden? "Hey, I'm a slugger, not a batter, you need to throw me softballs".
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DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 10:40 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Nimh, this was one of those instances (and there have been many) wherein I was very glad that you were able to express with just the right amount of disquietude some things that I am busting to say, but am simply too overly flabbergasted at the gall I perceive.
I mean, jiminy christmas on horseback up a frikkin chimney!! Obama wears his hostility on his sleeve?!?!?


for real snood. i'm so fed up with the "make stuff up" thing that i have a hard time keeping from busting out what mom used to call my dad's "sailor mouth" when he got really angry.

obama seems to have the ability to just let it roll off. it's very refreshing.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 10:46 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Foxfyre- I completely agree with you.

Quote:
I do believe he wears his hostility toward anyone who opposes or disagrees with him on his sleeve and I think that he will try to silence voices of opposition.


I was very disturbed when I found that the Obama campaign refused to deal with the TV channel that aired, politely and respectfully, what were, IMO, very legitimate and important questions about Obama's philosophy.

The next thought that crossed my mind, is that if he indeed becomes president, how will he react to any newspaper, TV or radio stations if he is subject to criticism, as are all public figures?



What a crock of ****. The questions were all the same: "have you stopped beating your wife?" By even answering the question, you are admitting the Framing is correct; it's a trap, designed to create sound-bytes.

Were you disturbed when the McCain campaign froze out MSNBC, where they won't even send surrogates to any longer?

Were you concerned when McCain canceled his Larry King appearance after a tough interview with McCain?

No, you were not. Because your concerns are born of partisanship, and not of actual worry about the consequences of such actions.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 10:48 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Nimh, this was one of those instances (and there have been many) wherein I was very glad that you were able to express with just the right amount of disquietude some things that I am busting to say, but am simply too overly flabbergasted at the gall I perceive.

Thank you.

I mean, jiminy christmas on horseback up a frikkin chimney!! Obama wears his hostility on his sleeve?!?!?


Absolutely. It gives the lie to their whole shtick.

I guess we shouldn't blame them, if I saw my political party getting cold fuckin creamed I'd be angry too.

Cycloptichorn
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:07 am
barbara west. good journalism or partisan hackery via "the news"?;

Quote:
I am married to Wade West, an international media consultant to politicians, professionals and organizations. Together we often serve as auctioneers at various fundraising events throughout the state.


http://www.wftv.com/station/1874549/detail.html

Quote:
Wade West is a Bush Republican and married to WFTV Barbara West (Additional Info)
by Phelix DaCat

Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 03:35:07 PM PDT

Barbara & Wade West - Synopsis
Barbara West of WFTV is married to Wade West.

Barbara has a long history of attacking the Clintons and puffing up George W. Bush.

Wade has long standing relationships with many Republicans. His connections date back at least to Governor George W. Bush in Texas, inculdes his protests for Bush during the 2000 election, and extends to his employment by over 85 congressional Republicans plus Bush cabinet members. It's been suggested one of his companies was involved in the Pentagon scandal that promoted PR as news. It's possible he's the same Wade West who President George HW Bush, the father of President George W Bush, commended in his 1990 Thanksgiving day speech in Saudi Arabia.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/26/161727/53

Quote:
Contributor Candidate or PAC Amount Date FEC Filing
WEST, WADE G
ORLANDO, FL 32803
AMERICA FUND/AUCTIONS MCBRIDE, WILLIAM (R)
Senate - FL
WILL MCBRIDE FOR US SENATE $500
primary 08/23/06
West, Wade Mr.
Orlando, FL 32804
Mediapower American Fundraising/Pre
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE (R) $250
primary 12/16/05
WEST, WADE
ORLANDO, FL 32803
MEDIA POWER GROUP INC MICA, JOHN L MR. (R)
House (FL 07)
MICA FOR CONGRESS $500
general 10/27/00
West, Wade G.
Orlando, FL 32803
Self-employed/Political Consultant KELLER, RICHARD A. (R)
House (FL 08)
KELLER FOR CONGRESS $500
primary 06/28/00
West, Wade G.
Orlando, FL 32803
Self-employed/Political Consultant KELLER, RICHARD A. (R)
House (FL 08)
KELLER FOR CONGRESS $500
primary 06/02/00


[url] http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=west&first=wade [/url



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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:30 am
Quote:
This is too good. Andy Martin, originator of the "Obama is a Muslim" smear and Grade A right-wing loon, concedes that he was wrong: Obama is not in fact a Muslim. But that's because, Martin tells CNN, he believes Obama's real father is not Barack Obama Sr but civil rights leader Frank Marshall Davis. Is there enough time before the election for Hannity to do a show on this?
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/27/the-latest-obama-smear.aspx
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 12:07 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
This is too good. Andy Martin, originator of the "Obama is a Muslim" smear and Grade A right-wing loon, concedes that he was wrong: Obama is not in fact a Muslim. But that's because, Martin tells CNN, he believes Obama's real father is not Barack Obama Sr but civil rights leader Frank Marshall Davis. Is there enough time before the election for Hannity to do a show on this?
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/27/the-latest-obama-smear.aspx


oh brother...

Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 12:12 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:

I just tried it and both max out at 1o pages of hits.


Are you sure you know how to google, Brandon?

Well, I suspect that lacking any substantive arguments about the campaign, you simply intended the question as a jibe, the only tool you seem to have at your disposal to argue politics, but the serious answer is that I Googled:

+"lies about Obama"

and

+"lies about McCain"

Do you have another search string in mind to try to compare the relative numbers of pages?
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