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Anarchy In The USA?

 
 
NeoGuin
 
Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 06:10 am
OK, this is a kind of "Spin-Off" from another thread where someone feels that the US is on a path towards anarchy.

Seems odd since the corporate media has convinced so many Americans that those who oppose the expansion of corporate power are "Anarchists", as well as using it as a general purpose term for any sort of radical. A semi-local paper referred to a group of people who will be gathering in a nearby town to protest the detention of foreigners and the "Palestinian Occupation" as "Anarchists".

But it seems to me that the real anarchists are on the right. Who is it who wants to "cut governement" (at least where it doesn't benefit them or thier contributors), and favors almost unrestricted access to guns?

And could this also be because anarchy in many cases leads to fascism?

Now--how do we stop this?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 07:04 am
The "someone" in question would be me. The result of a nation of such power becoming anarchistic or fascist is terrifying.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 07:05 am
Look at the current administration. We're already descending that hill. Sad
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 08:43 am
Hobbit:

So what do we DO about it!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 11:52 am
I don't know, other than participate in the electoral processes. I fear that may not be effective, as I have stated elsewhere on this forum. I can easily picture GW and Co. declaring Martial Law and concelling Elections next fall. the cold consolation is that the trigger happy types will probably be the first against the wall, with the possible exception of those who volunteer to be brown shirts, of course!
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 03:51 pm
Anarchy is more likely to be associated with the radical left than the from the right
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 04:30 pm
au1929 wrote:
Anarchy is more likely to be associated with the radical left than the from the right

Naaahhh... they are just more likely to have spikey mohawks and wear dirty t-shirts.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 04:35 pm
au1929 wrote:
Anarchy is more likely to be associated with the radical left than the from the right


If anarchy has anything to do with fascism that's a true statement.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 04:39 pm
What's your word for extreme authoritarianism on the right, BrandX?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 04:40 pm
Actually, your darling and his cadre owe their policies and methods to Trotskyite communism, so perhaps you have hit the nail on the head.
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 08:59 pm
You people are talking absolute Bovine Excretment---I invite you to take a look at what Anarchism is----the urls are listed at the end of these excerpts. You will see it is the darling of the left---not the right. It is the antithesis of private enterprize.

I object to it primarily because it advocates the destruction of the existing gov't which will be replaced with "something" else. But you can bet that the something else will be controlled by the elitists who advocate it but they don't tell you that.

Chomsky does not intend to relinquish his chair at MIT after you suckers destroy the current gov't . When you ask him what to do next he will probably say "You didn't think I was serious did you"?

The term anarchy comes from the Greek, and essentially means 'no ruler.' Anarchists are people who reject all forms of government or coercive authority, all forms of hierarchy and domination. They are therefore opposed to what the Mexican anarchist Flores Magon called the 'sombre trinity' -- state, capital and the church. Anarchists are thus opposed to both capitalism and to the state, as well as to all forms of religious authority. But anarchists also seek to establish or bring about by varying means, a condition of anarchy, that is, a decentralised society without coercive institutions, a society organised through a federation of voluntary associations." ["Anthropology and Anarchism," Anarchy: A Journal of Desire Armed, no. 45, p. 38]


.2.2 Will it be possible to go straight to an anarchist society from capitalism?

Possibly, it depends what is meant by an anarchist society.

If it is meant a fully classless society (what some people, inaccurately, would call a "utopia") then the answer is a clear "no, that would be impossible." Anarchists are well aware that "class difference do not vanish at the stroke of a pen whether that pen belongs to the theoreticians or to the pen-pushers who set out laws or decrees. Only action, that is to say direct action (not through government) expropriation by the proletarians, directed against the privileged class, can wipe out class difference." [Luigi Fabbri, "Anarchy and 'Scientific' Communism", in The Poverty of Statism, pp. 13-49, Albert Meltzer (ed.), p. 30]

For anarchists, a social revolution is a process and not an event (although, of course, a process marked by such events as general strikes, uprisings, insurrections and so on). As Kropotkin argued:

"It is a whole insurrectionary period of three, four, perhaps five years that we must traverse to accomplish our revolution in the property system and in social organisation." [Words of a Rebel, p. 72]

An Anarchist FAQ can now be accessed using these easy to remember urls:
www.anarchistfaq.org
www.anarchismfaq.org www.anarchyfaq.org

What's New in the FAQ?

An Anarchist FAQ

Version 9.9 -- 26-AUG-03

Introduction

Section A - What is anarchism?

Section B - Why do anarchists oppose the current system?

Section C - What are the myths of capitalist economics?

Section D - How does statism and capitalism affect society?

Section E - What do anarchists think causes ecological problems?

Section F - Is "anarcho"-capitalism a type of anarchism?

Section G - Is individualist anarchism capitalistic?

Section H - Why do anarchists oppose state socialism?

Section I - What would an anarchist society look like?

Section J - What do anarchists do?

Appendix - Anarchism and "Anarcho"-capitalism

Appendix - The Symbols of Anarchy

Appendix - Anarchism and Marxism

Bibliography

There is also a second page where it really gets into the nuts and bolts-----good luck
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:06 pm
anarchy, like communism, democracy, capitalism, socialism and most any other ism, exists mostly in the minds of small men needing an anchor or a target upon which to foist their petty visions of world order that never existed nor will ever exist.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:08 pm
dyslexia wrote:
anarchy, like communism, democracy, capitalism, socialism and most any other ism, exists mostly in the minds of small men needing an anchor or a target upon which to foist their petty visions of world order that never existed nor will ever exist.
Or, in the texts of those in the Humanities and Social Sciences, who need terms so we can write those monographs that make us look impressive! Wink
I'm reminded of Ferris Bueller, who said:
I don't approve of European Socialism, or any kind of 'ism for that matter.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:13 pm
I believe in Groucho Marxism.
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:16 pm
Now you're talking Bovine Excretment Dys-----It is interesting that you consider Jefferson, Madison, Ben Franklin, and Washington "small men" but then maybe you made an error by including democracy in your list of "isms"
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:18 pm
Surprised
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:20 pm
Rolling Eyes
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:24 pm
No---You should say this Embarrassed
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:27 pm
Idea Arrow Drunk 2 Cents
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 09:08 am
perception wrote:
Now you're talking Bovine Excretment Dys-----It is interesting that you consider Jefferson, Madison, Ben Franklin, and Washington "small men" but then maybe you made an error by including democracy in your list of "isms"

Perception, if you consider democracy only available to white male land owners then i quess you are correct, I just dont see it that way.
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