Lipstick vs. Uppity

@engineer,

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If that was Obama's intent, then you have the wrong analogy... if that was his intent. Palin would be the lipstick and McCain's policies would be the pig. This interpretation makes a lot more sense. Palin is the window dressing (lipstick) to hide the unsightly McCain policies (pig). That's actually pretty good. I still think he was just using his standard stump speech, but that take on the analogy would have been fairly clever.

Obviously, the crowd behind Obama agreed with this explanation when they began applauding and laughing...

Why can't you libs/progressives own your own audience?

What that audience observed - and reacted to - was also observed by those in Middle America who also thought it was a cheap shot at Palin.

Applying the rules libs/progressives have set in place, isn't this the time for an apology?

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

"uppity n*gger" .

Is that how liberals use the term?
Shame on them.

That's what I thought too H2O

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@A Lone Voice,

Stunning.

1) You are able to discern the intent of a crowd of people based on the fact that they are clapping and laughing.
2) You are asking why libs/progressives can't "own [their] own audience" (mind control is not in the budget, I guess)
3) Not only are you able to read the minds of the audience in question but you can also read the mind of something called "middle America" and you have the authority to speak for it.

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@Foxfyre,

But "lefties" didn't get all up in arms over "lipstick on a pig" when "righties" used it. Use "lipstick on a pig" to your heart's content, and I don't think any lefty will complain.

"Uppity" on the other hand, has an entirely different connotation. Even when Granny on Beverly Hillbillies uses it, it means someone attempting to rise above their supposed proper place.

Comparing "lipstick on a pig" with "uppity" will fly when pigs do....

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

"Uppity" on the other hand, has an entirely different connotation. Even when Granny on Beverly Hillbillies uses it, it means someone attempting to rise above their supposed proper place.

And, when asked about it, Obama blew it off and did not demand an apology.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

And DTOM, Obama the messiah, the annointed one, the hope of the entire world, certainly had to know how "lipstick on a pig" would be interpreted following the Palin speech and subsequent massive publicity re lipstick. ...
You lefties want us to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but boy you sure don't believe in giving somebody in the 'wrong party' the benefit of the doubt, huh.

nonsense. the two phrases are apples and oranges.

this is all mock outrage. and your comments about the anointed messiah show where your head is at.

i have never heard even the most over the top obama fan call him that. i sure have heard republicans and their media heroes say it. ad nausea.

but then, the more time that gets eaten up running around shrilling about lipstick and how only sara palin can use the word....well, the less time the republicans have to spend on actually talking about something that's important to all americans.

like... oh, i dunno... the economy? trade deficits? failing infrastructure? iraq/afghanistan ? debt to china, japan and germany? failing banks ? mortgage pyramid scams? how about a cure for cancer? alzheimers?

or even the small matter of transitional energy?

so, if it makes you guys feel better to call me a leftie.. well have fun.

but considering the only parties i've ever been registered under are Republican and Libertarian, you may want to think about what would cause someone like me to lean towards the Democratic platform the last few elections.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
"Uppity" on the other hand, has an entirely different connotation. Even when Granny on Beverly Hillbillies uses it, it means someone attempting to rise above their supposed proper place.

And, when asked about it, Obama blew it off and did not demand an apology.

that impressed me. everybody here knows that obama wasn't my first choice. but, i've begun to have quite a bit of respect for him.

i believe he'll make a fine president.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

But "lefties" didn't get all up in arms over "lipstick on a pig" when "righties" used it. Use "lipstick on a pig" to your heart's content, and I don't think any lefty will complain.

"Uppity" on the other hand, has an entirely different connotation. Even when Granny on Beverly Hillbillies uses it, it means someone attempting to rise above their station.

Comparing "lipstick on a pig" with "uppity" will fly when pigs do....

Lefties would have been all up in arms over it if a female Democrat candidate had used the lipstick and bulldog joke followed by a media storm referring to the joke and then, shortly after, while discussing her campaign, her Republican opponent used the lipstick on a pig metaphor. Please show some intellectual honesty and admit what I am saying is true.

And yes, uppity has a different connotation and the way Granny used it, it had zero racial implications. I use the term now and then and when I do, it also has no racial implications. The thread starter was from a person who had never heard the term applied in its historical sense. I'm pretty sure my kids have probably not heard the term applied in its historical sense either and I wouldn't be surprised if they would not associate it with race.

All I am saying is that we might return some civility to the political process if a bit of intellectual honesty was applied in these situations. I get sick and tired for ANYBODY of any party or any circumstance being crucified over what is most likely a harmless quip or an inadvertent slip of the tongue or ill advised word or phrase. Over such minutae, jobs are lost, careers are ruined, and we get bogged down in an incessant media storm that obscures what we need to be talking about. It's time to put a stop to it.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

political correctness; it ain't just for liberals anymore.

Yup. Nail, head.

Foxfyre wrote:

You lefties

DTOM is a lefty now?

I guess thats defined as in, "everyone who disagrees with the Republican line must just be a lefty".

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@nimh,

nimh wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

political correctness; it ain't just for liberals anymore.

Yup. Nail, head.

Political correctness has been a highlighted and underlined chapter in the American liberal Bible for some time now. The only thing is, violations are only to be enforced when non-liberals violate it.

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Foxfyre wrote:

You lefties

DTOM is a lefty now?

Only when he parrots the standard lefty line in an unreasonable manner. (You have to understand that I adore DTOM, but he is dead wrong on this one.)

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I guess thats defined as in, "everyone who disagrees with the Republican line must just be a lefty".

Nope. I frequently disagree with the Republicans and I share very few views with the Left.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

And yes, uppity has a different connotation and the way Granny used it, it had zero racial implications.

how many black folks have you ever seen on the beverly hillbillies?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

I didn't like TBH, but Good Times was Dynomite!

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

I didn't like TBH, but Good Times was Dynomite!

the question was not whether or not you liked the beverly hillbillies. the question was; "how many black folks have you ever seen on the beverly hillbillies?".

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Lefties would have been all up in arms over it if a female Democrat candidate had used the lipstick and bulldog joke followed by a media storm referring to the joke and then, shortly after, while discussing her campaign, her Republican opponent used the lipstick on a pig metaphor. Please show some intellectual honesty and admit what I am saying is true.

I acknowledge that you believe it is true. I even acknowledge that there are some idiots who react with indignation when they hear someone say it's raining cats and dogs.

But they remain idiots.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

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DTOM is a lefty now?

Only when he parrots the standard lefty line in an unreasonable manner.

Maybe you'd do good to stop a moment and think about what it means if even people who've only ever registered as Republican and Libertarian think the conservative talking point on this one is BS. You know, it might mean that the criticism you're dealing with is not just a "standard lefty line".

You can still think he's wrong, of course, dead wrong even, 's your right. But if you're hearing something even from a middle-of-the-road moderate like DTOM, you can obviously not just dismiss it out of hand anymore as "what you lefties would say".

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Maybe I didn't care for TBH because they didn't have blacks on the show.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Political correctness has been a highlighted and underlined chapter in the American liberal Bible for some time now. The only thing is, violations are only to be enforced when non-liberals violate it.

Political correctness has been a highlighted and underlined boogeyman in the American conservative Bible for some time now. The only thing is, something is only ever political correctness if a liberal did it.

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@A Lone Voice,

It is your argument that seem pretty construed.

You think the pause proves something. It doesn't. People pause all the time for a lot of reasons. A pause certainly doesn't indicate he meant to call Palin a pig. You are putting lipstick on your argument but your argument still doesn't do anything but oink.

Yes, the crowd liked the statement for the reason I said. You have not disputed my reasoning which is common. Instead you pretend to know what people think. I only pretend to know what is common practice in speech and comedy writing. Something that you can find out by asking anyone with expertise in it. Again, you are just smearing on more lipstick and hoping no one will notice.

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All of which comes back to my main point about libs/progressives: Hey, there's a perception of someone being insensitive to a potential victim here! Do something! Someone might have been insulted!

Hey, being a good liberal I do feel pity for you because you can't make a cogent argument.

Should we do an intervention to take your lipstick away?

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@Foxfyre,

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And DTOM, Obama the messiah, the annointed one, the hope of the entire world, certainly had to know how "lipstick on a pig" would be interpreted following the Palin speech and subsequent massive publicity re lipstick. It isn't like you to cherry pick a phrase out of context and attack either. That is disappointing to me.

You want an apology for "lipstick on a pig"?

Read your first sentence Fox. What did you write it in? Lipstick or crayon?

Your attacks are obvious and intentional without question. You need to be disappointed in yourself before you look at others.

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@A Lone Voice,

Keep at it with the lipstick Lone Voice.

You almost have that entire pig colored with red.

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