FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

@Foxfyre,

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Yeah I got the memo ebrown. And I understand that there are those who expect Sarah Palin to be as up to speed and proficient and polished as Obama and Biden are--Obama who has been campaigning non stop for four years now; and Biden who has been campaigning non stop for more than a couple of decades. And both of whom are forgiven every possible gaffe including Biden asking somebody in a wheel chair to stand up and be recognized and those folks who were watching TV when the market crashed in 1929 understood why it is important to prevent that now and Obama and his 57 states and calling for the UN Security council to deal with Russia and all and arrogantly demanding that we need to pull Arabic translators out of Iraq and send them to Afghanistan (where no Arabic is spoken.) If Palin had said stuff like that, you guys would be screaming at her to high heaven. But you forgive your guys don't you.

Fox, thanks me and my wife got a good laugh out of this condensate, really. You just can't make this stuff up 'cause if you did it wouldn't be true! Now I will read the memo also.

JM

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@JamesMorrison,

For one thing, saying "if Palin had said stuff like that..." assumes she understands the misspeak by Obama. For another, those gaffs don't kill Americans or spends $10 billion/month on a war when that money is needed at home.

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@Foxfyre,

A decent ad, Foxfyre, and I agree with your one stated possible exception.

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@cicerone imposter,

If you have looked at the pictures of the casualties in Iraq( our newspaper publishes them regularly) you will find that there are many more black and Hispanics than whites proportionately. Another bit of racism by Bush and company.
They send the dispossessed to fight for the rich!!

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@barackman28,

No, wrong assumption. blacks and Hispanics volunteer into the service, because they can't find civilian jobs in the US, and the military is one place discriminatory practices have been (mostly) removed for advancement.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

those folks who were watching TV when the market crashed in 1929

I'd be interested in hearing more about this.

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@cicerone imposter,

I know why they go into the service. You did not read my post correctly. I stated that a disproportional number of Black and Hispanics DIED in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is because of racism and how the military is set up. How many top generals have you seen testifying before Congress who are minorities?

Two? Three? How many have testified? fifty? sixty?

Do some reading about racism so you can learn more!

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@ehBeth,

Foxfyre is making fun of Biden for an alleged gaffe.

I think it's common knowledge that FDR took office during the great depression following the 1929 market crash and, upon taking office in 1933, FDR addressed the nation by radio. FDR outlined his plans for a "new deal." FDR's speech was uplifting to the people and inspired confidence. This is the point that Biden was trying to make, but his thoughts were apparently way ahead of his speech resulting in an inadvertent gaffe.

Those of us who have followed Biden's career know that he is intelligent, knowledgeable, and charismatic. Intellectual ability is highly correlated with speech functions. We all know what Biden wanted to say, but his thoughts raced ahead of the stored up words that were intended to be spoken. Notably, Biden stuttered as a child.

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Among the things researchers do know about stuttering is that it’s not caused by emotional or psychological problems. It’s not a sign of low intelligence. The average stutterer’s IQ is 14 points higher than the national average.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/stuttering-myth-vs-fact/

It took a LOT of hard work for Biden to overcome stuttering. I will not fault him because the thoughts in his head are, at times, several sentences ahead of his spoken words. He does his best to focus during speeches and not get ahead of himself. Most of the time, he's very successful and he is truly an inspiring speaker. I like him very much as a person and as a politician.

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@barackman28,

barackman28 wrote:

...you will find that there are many more black and Hispanics than whites proportionately.

Yes, this is the situation in each and every prison in the USA. Such a waste of taxpayer money, if you ask me.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

No, wrong assumption. blacks and Hispanics volunteer into the service, because they can't find civilian jobs in the US, and the military is one place discriminatory practices have been (mostly) removed for advancement.

They volunteer for the pay and the benefits and in general they make excellent decisions in doing so.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
those folks who were watching TV when the market crashed in 1929

I'd be interested in hearing more about this.

It was a typical Biden gaffe, the same sort of stuff that he has doing as long as I've been following him which is a long time. Doesn't amount to a hill of beans EXCEPT that he and Obama are allowed these kinds of things while Palin is criticized as stupid or uniformed or incompetent or, as some seem to want to make her, unstable. She is cut no slack at all while she is still working on getting her sea legs in a brand new unfamiliar venue. I just get tired of the double standard. Note it sure. Tease her about it sure. But condemn her because of it? Dishonest.

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WASHINGTON (AP) _ Vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow fellow Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt's response to a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened,'" Barack Obama's running mate recently told the "CBS Evening News."

Except, Republican Herbert Hoover was in office when the stock market crashed in October 1929. There also was no television at the time; TV wasn't introduced to the public until a decade later, at the 1939 World's Fair.

http://www.fox59.com/pages/landing_politics/?Biden-cites-FDRs-leadership-during-1929-=1&blockID=65943&feedID=21

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@Foxfyre,

With respect to the Biden gaffe, Foxfyre wrote: "Doesn't amount to a hill of beans EXCEPT that he and Obama are allowed these kinds of things while Palin is criticized as stupid or uniformed or incompetent or, as some seem to want to make her, unstable."

If Palin is truly intelligent, informed, and capable, then why won't her sexist babysitters allow her to play in the same political sandbox as the male candidates? The McCain campaign is not inspiring America to have much confidence in Palin's abilities when they continuously gag her mouth and isolate her from the press. It appears to me that her babysitters are undermining her confidence because she is NOT acquiring her "sea legs." With what little we have been allowed to digest (interview with Gibson; interview with Couric), it is clear that Palin is spiraling downward and looking a buffoon.

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@Debra Law,

Perhaps because the narrow minded, sexist, maliciously biased media hasn't treated her the same as the male candidates? She isn't allowed to 'just be Sarah' as Barack is allowed to 'just be Barack' or Joe is allowed to 'just be Joe'. That would be my best guess. Of course anti-Sarah types here on A2K are much more generous and fair minded.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Perhaps because the narrow minded, sexist, maliciously biased media hasn't treated her the same as the male candidates? She isn't allowed to 'just be Sarah' as Barack is allowed to 'just be Barack' or Joe is allowed to 'just be Joe'. That would be my best guess. Of course anti-Sarah types here on A2K are much more generous and fair minded.

The media HAS treated her the same. She's asked the same sorts of questions the other candidates are; she just can't answer those questions. The Couric interview didn't include sexist or biased questions, just ones which required an in-depth answer and a knowledge of American politics. She could not display that.

It is folly to blame the media for what amounts to a tactical mistake on the part of the McCain camp... she should have been doing interviews and talk shows all along, from day one, if they wanted to drive a narrative about her. Instead, they were so afraid, they sequestered her, and allowed the narrative to be driven by the Dems, that she wasn't capable of doing it. Not a smart move, and her polling numbers have plummeted...

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

No. Nobody has asked Joe Biden what he thinks about Barack Obama's world view. Nobody has asked Joe Biden for a specific piece of legislation that Obama has sponsored or accomplished re any given subject. Sarah Palin was crucified for not responding sharply to the question re the Bush Doctrine when no two media sources agree on what that is and even Gibson couldn't (and didn't) define it when she asked him to. Palin was excoriated for not being able to name a specific McCain initiative re a given subject, something I guarantee you few members of Congress could have done unless they had participated in it. Obama has been a complete idiot on world policy issues and he has been forgiven but Palin is branded naive and clueless. Palin is not asked for her philosophy or her world view. She is required to state that of other people's and then is condemned when she hedges on that.

The double standard is completely obvious for anybody with the intellectual honesty to recognize it.

The media has even let stand Barack Obama's sanctimonious pronouncement that running for President provides him with the necessary executive experience to be President. Can you imagine what would be said of Palin if she had said something like that?

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre, your loyalty is sweet, but silly.

Obama has given countless interviews, press conferences and has shown through many debates that he has a firm grasp of issues .

Biden has given 80 interviews since he was nominated. There is the question of "gaffes" but there is no question that he belongs on the national stage.

Palin is clearly out of her league and uniquely unqualified. Anyone who has watched the Palin's interview with Katie Couric understands this. All but the most partisan now admit it.

Clueless is not a sexist word.

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@Foxfyre,

Fox, you are confusing your slanted partisan opinions of Biden and Obama's answers, with inability by the two to cogently answer questions. It's not that people disagree with Palin's opinions; it's that she seems to have trouble forming complete sentences and thoughts. Did you even watch the Couric interview? It's clear that she had no in-depth knowledge of most of the issues she was asked about.

This is what she has to prove. None of the other candidates are brand-new to the national political scene. Many of them participated in interviews of the style that Palin has, long ago. They have shown many times over that they can answer these questions. So they are uninteresting to people. You don't ask experienced players to accomplish novice tasks, you ask novices to do it, and that's what Palin is at this point.

Palin should have breezed through the early questions. She should have booked a dozen interviews the first week. Should have gone on the weekend shows, should have taken questions all the time. Sure, she would have said some gaffes at the beginning. But this is worse. The McCain camp's insistence that she be treated 'with deferrence,' and their lack of willingness to let her expose herself to the American voter, have created a meme that she cannot do the things she should, that she has something to hide, or that she 'isn't ready' to lead, as heck, she can't even answer questions!

Don't blame the media, blame the McCain campaign. They've managed this situation horribly.

McCain accused Obama of not knowing the difference between strategy and tactics; and it was projection, if I ever saw it, for Biden was a strategic pick, and Palin a tactical one, by any measurement.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

There's also the issue of "experience" that McCain keeps harping against Obama. Even the choice of Palin by McCain should be vetted, but not many of the conservatives are. They can't see their own conflicting opinions on the issue of "experience," and we're talking about national and international issues, not about local and state issues.

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@Foxfyre,

Cyclops wrote:

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“Don't blame the media, blame the McCain campaign. They've managed this situation horribly.”

Foxfyre wrote:

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“She isn't allowed to 'just be Sarah' as Barack is allowed to 'just be Barack' or Joe is allowed to 'just be Joe'.”

Debra Law wrote:

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“The McCain campaign is not inspiring America to have much confidence in Palin's abilities when they continuously gag her mouth and isolate her from the press. It appears to me that her babysitters are undermining her confidence because she is NOT acquiring her "sea legs."

So far you all seem correct and are even in agreement with Bill Kristol on today’s Fox News Sunday. Kristol feels the McCain people should “Free Palin” to be Palin and stop being afraid of her making mistakes. Even Mara Liasson of NPR felt that given time and preparation Palin “…will do just fine” in Thursday’s Veep Debate. We shall see. Nice to see that Debra Law and Cyclops share some common ground with Kristol.

I think the upcoming VP debates are, again, crucial to the McCain campaign. Those on Friday could possibly be viewed as a draw but many experts say that if so the win goes to Obama just for looking presidential and holding “his own”"a more subjective judgment I cannot imagine. Obama’s attempt at parsing his “I will meet and talk with insert demon’s name here without preconditions…” and attempt to invoke Kissinger approved wisdom to validate his statement was close to, if not actually, dissembling, especially after Kissinger’s next day clarification regarding such meetings. To Wit: the good doctor would not so meet. Here, I think McCain was dead right but I don’t think many people see the importance in the long term wisdom of such a strategy or even care.

I do think McCain failed to recover an Obama fumble and run with it. When Obama tried to pin past conservative efforts at deregulation and, therefore, the current economic crisis on McCain and his party, McCain should have pointed out, that, way back in 2005 he tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie and the dems would not allow it. Those successfully spearheading an increased portfolio with greater risk towards the taxpayer and less regulation then were Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who presently favor more regulation elsewhere. Charles Krauthammer has suggested, jokingly, that for public satisfaction those CEO’s involved in the financial bailout submit to public confessionals and hangings as a national catharsis. If so, Frank and Dodd should be drawn and quartered, period.

The next presidential debate is supposed to be a town hall format. I’m not sure what they mean by this. Am I to understand both candidates will stand up on a stage and answer questions from real people? Will we actually see an “unplugged” Obama juxtaposed to a similar MCain? Will the people demand specifics regarding tax programs and specifically tax refunds. Will Obama be caught dissembling on his planned socialistic increased income redistribution program known as the Earned Income Credit for non-taxpayers that is neither a credit or earned? Stay tuned!

JM

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@JamesMorrison,

JM, You still can't see the forest for the trees. Palin is way over her head, but people like you will not admit it or confess she's unprepared as veep. There's already been enough exposure to confirm her inexperience, but it seems that's not enough for the likes of you.

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