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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 11:22 am
@Leadfoot,
Talk about ignorant beliefs, you get the top prize. Study the scientific theory on the evolution of homo sapiens, and forget your 2,000 year old bible. Humans evolved like almost everything that survives today. Those things that couldn't hack the changing environment are all gone. The dinosaurs are a good example. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-did-mammals-survive-when-dinosaurs-perished-63229592/
jespah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 11:27 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
Oh that's really amusing.

Let's start off with the fact (fact!) that you're making an assertion that intelligent design is anything more than wishful thinking. So back it up! And with something more concrete than God said so or sin or whatnot.

BTW I'm sure you would love, love, love to tell me that Jesus will forgive my sins, yadda yadda yadda but me converting will never, ever happen. My ancestors didn't convert at the point of a sword for pogroms or the Inquisition, so I sure as hell won't convert because you tell me it'll save my knees.

Spoiler alert: it won't.

BTW, here, have some evidence of evolution. But I suspect it won't be read.
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/a/lines-of-evidence-for-evolution
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/41/17040
jespah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 11:28 am
@Leadfoot,
We have different beliefs, you and I. I do not believe the way that you do.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 11:40 am
@jespah,
How do you believe? I’m always curious about them and how they differ.
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 11:52 am
@Leadfoot,
I am looking forward to that day! See ya then:)
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Talk about ignorant beliefs, you get the top prize. Study the scientific theory on the evolution of homo sapiens, and forget your 2,000 year old bible

Dang it CI, you changed the subject again. We were talking about “it” and what people believe it’s about.

I did point out that people often believe things just because there are books written about them, like your belief in evolution is based on the books written about it, not that you have seen the evolution of things like small deer like animals evolve into whales. You are relying on the credibility of those who wrote books, not your own research.

jespah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:04 pm
@Leadfoot,
You never met a Jew before?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:12 pm
@jespah,
Didn’t know you were but yes, I have. Most were very nice people, they vary a lot, just like Christians. I never got the thing about enmity between the two religions though. Even Jesus was pretty clear about our priority being on God. Anyone devoted to finding out the real story on God has my full respect.
Made my share of screwups in the effort.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:16 pm
@Leadfoot,
Gee. Leadfoot, kinda like people believe in the bible because soeone wrote the book?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:21 pm
@Leadfoot,
Wrong as always. I have visited the Galapagos Islands, and have seen the Darwin finches as proof of evolution at work. I didn't need to refer to the bible to see that evolution is a fact. The scientific works on the evolution of homo sapiens is another proof. If you rely on science rather than some book written 2000 years ago, you would be up to date on facts. Try it; you might learn something valuable.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:32 pm
@jespah,
I have met a few Jews in my life. Most of my bosses at work were Jews. The first boss was at Florsheim Shoe Company in 1963. My boss was Harry Revkin. He was VP at Interco, and CEO of Florsheim Shoe Company. I was a Field Auditor that traveled the seven western states until my promotion to Audit Manager. My second boss at Community Association for Rehabilitation was Ralph Scheer. I started as the Director of Finance until my promotion to Director of Administration. I also met Bob Brodsky who taught Astronautics at USC and Iowa State University. He was a rocket scientist. We met on a cruise on the Mexican Riviera many decades ago. We have kept in touch until his passing last year. I have also traveled to Israel two times, and have visited many of the Biblical sites. So, yes, I've met a few Jews.
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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:46 pm
@jespah,
Never say never, I said the same thing even though my father Faced death not buy a sword, but by lung cancer.

The painful thing about Threads like this, is that if someone like yourself has not read my previous post, I need to repeat myself. But here I go.

Let’s take this first link you provided:
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/a/lines-of-evidence-for-evolution

The first point it brings up is that because there are similarities between species, this proves evolution. Really? No.
Such a statement is a terrible argument, because intelligent designers like humans create things with similarities because of a similarity shared environment they operate within.

look at it this way: the designer created life according to its KInds. like the dog kind, the cat kind, the whale kind, and human kind. ( Genesis chapter 1 )

Now, just as intelligent beings can create machinery with sensors so that as the environment changes, the machinery can minorly adapt, ie. a sunroof on a car can go up and down giving a different appearance (minorly)
We see This in this in Genesis chapter 3, Verse 18 where thorns and thistles began to appear (‘microevolution’)
This is just a modification of existing genetic code.
And although species can minorly change or adapt, they are limited in how much they can do so, and because our planet went through an Ice Age, it brought many cold blooded reptiles to extinction ( after the global flood )
I am quite certain big bad dinosaurs could not compete with the cold, never mind fluffy bunny rabbits ( if the rabbit was hungry enough on a cold night )

you see, just as you take facts and observations like your knees been weathered and broken and Wrongfully conclude that there is no intelligent designer, you are also wrongly concluding that because you can observe minor changes in species, or the fact that species have similarities that whales can grow legs, reptiles can grow feathers, and that mankind may even turn back into apes, or X-Men one day.(
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Gee. Leadfoot, kinda like people believe in the bible because soeone wrote the book?

Yeah! Stupid isn’t it? That was kind of my point. No matter if the book is the Bible or On The Origin of Species, it’s just crazy to believe it on that basis. Doesn’t matter how popular the book is, a person should think for themselves.

And if CI thinks a trip there to see finches for himself qualifies as proof, well ****, I don’t know what to say about that. Brings to mind the saying 'Extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence'. Seeing a bird with beak size X just seems a bit weak.

So what do you think? Does a bird's beak changing shape prove a dog sized land animal became a whale from all natural causes? Just because Darwin says it can and lots of people agreed? Seems like a stretch.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 12:56 pm
@Helloandgoodbye,
No intelligent designer. Gods do not exist except in the imagination of men. We are controlled by our environment called earth, and how man can produce things that can fly to other planets. There are limits to how far man can travel. It's called life expectancy.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 01:32 pm
@jespah,
Jim has.

jespah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 01:41 pm
@izzythepush,
Dang, can't see the video.

Still never re the conversion thing. There is ZERO convincing me. Do not try.

And don't take that as a challenge. That's only going to frustrate you.

My ancestors didn't survive some 5k years or so for nothing.

The answer is never. It always will be.
jespah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 01:45 pm
@Leadfoot,
It's in my profile. Be that as it may, I appreciate that you realize we are all different. I don't speak for all Jews. You don't speak for all Christians. As for the enmity, eh, you got a few years to hear about it?

Or just read history. Lots of it. Antisemitism is a pretty constant thread in history. Of course we are not the only group ever persecuted. But the Nazis made an industry out of it and the Inquisition made it a matter of national policy. In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue because Fernando y Isabela needed bucks for the Inquisition. And they also drove all of the Jews out of Spain and Portugal (something rarely taught in schools) as a part of the Inquisition. Google "secret Jews" (sometimes called "marranos", which means swine).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 02:04 pm
@jespah,
Your post reminded me of a tour I was taking in Spain. It was a cathedral designed by a Jew, and on the floor of the cathedral is a Star of David. What irony! Here's another, the Valencia cathedral facade, http://star-of-david.blogspot.com/2006/10/valencia-cathedral-facade.html
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 02:04 pm
@jespah,
I'm sorry you can't see the video. It's a comedy, it's not about converting anybody.

Quote:
Friday Night Dinner is a British television sitcom written by Robert Popper and starring Tamsin Greig, Paul Ritter, Simon Bird, Tom Rosenthal and Mark Heap. The comedy is focused on the regular dinner experience of a British Jewish family (the Goodmans) on each Friday night. It began airing on 25 February 2011 on Channel 4. The fifth series concluded airing on 8 June 2018.

Friday Night Dinner depicts Shabbat dinner in the middle-class secular Jewish Goodman family, reflecting writer and producer Robert Popper's own secular Jewish upbringing. It is set in suburban North London, and filmed there, in Mill Hill. The family consists of father Martin (Paul Ritter), mother Jackie (Tamsin Greig), elder son and musician Adam (Simon Bird), and younger son and estate agent Jonny (Tom Rosenthal). The stories follow the family as they have their dinner, which is often interrupted by Adam and Jonny pranking each other, and by their strange, lonely, friendless next-door neighbour Jim (Mark Heap), who is sexually attracted to Jackie and is terrified of his dog Wilson. Jackie's best friend Val is also a frequent visitor.

There are strong elements of farce throughout.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_Night_Dinner
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 02:08 pm
@jespah,
jespah wrote:

Still never re the conversion thing. There is ZERO convincing me. Do not try.

And don't take that as a challenge. That's only going to frustrate you.


I don't know why you would need to say that to me. I'm not in the business of converting anybody. As long as you don't preach hate I don't care what you believe. I have never tried to convince anyone of any belief system at all, and when people ask what I believe the answer is always I'm not religious.

I'm actually very offended that you could even think such a thing.
 

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