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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 08:40 am
@brianjakub,
How come the DNA shows the last common ancestor between modern humans and chimps was 7 Million years ago?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 09:40 am
@Blickers,
I think Leadfoot and BJ hve other " worldview agendae" to push onto the rubes.

Even the author admits that evolution keeps going. As far as intermdiate members, there are many many many of the really separate groups (fish to amphibians, annelida to arthropoda(thats a pre cambrian finding), arthropoda,s "budding daughter" Insecta, Therapids and mammals.Dinosaurs toAves in the Jurassic, hominids to hominins.Brachiopoda to gastropods
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 10:07 am
@Blickers,
It seems the theory of evolution is itself evolving into something closer to design.

Sooner or later they’ll all come around.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 10:54 am
@Leadfoot,
Not while you keep making the wrong argument. You're still disputing empirical data instead of looking at why this universe is the way it is.

Smart Christians, (like the pope) moved on a long time ago.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:01 am
It was the trusted people at phys.org's argument. Go tell it to them.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:14 am
@Leadfoot,
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It seems the theory of evolution is itself evolving into something closer to design.
yet another demonstration of anal-cranial inversion
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:17 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
It seems the theory of evolution is itself evolving into something closer to design.
yet another demonstration of anal-cranial inversion

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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:46 am
@Leadfoot,
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It was the trusted people at phys.org's argument.
science reporters can be excused for getting it incomplete or wrong. The fact is that the COX-1 site s are hugely different between species not within species, so Im not sure what all the claims are about.
We have a fossil record which seems to deny much of wht these two guys say and as far as "Extinction events" theyve missed the three or four mini extinctions (including the "Chesapeake Invader" ) bolide which slammed into the coastal slope around Va Beach to Solomons island. Many spurts in evolution (or mere niche occupation which lled to new species) happened about 15 MY and theres the 3 glacial events that did away with small stuff like earthworms in the entire eastern N America. Thats seemingly why we have a EU earthworm as the dominant species and the native Lugubrius" hasnt fully re colonized its arly "ground" before the Nebraskan Glacial event.


Huge megafauna resulted after the Chessie bolide. WHY?? because the intermediqte carnivores were wiped out bcause their prey was wiped out.

I dont think that this article represents some really good QA by some ed committee (And at least two readers familiar with the issue).

Nevertheless, I think many of our A2K "ID experts" have probably glommed their opinions from som ID literature and after all, The Discovery Boys get huge salaries to write their own drivvle.

Like the "soft tissue from T Rex" has unfolded in 10 yers (We dont her the Creationists coming up with their "soft tissue means recent dinosaurs") anymore, Im gonna wait till some objctive science comes out either for or against.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:59 am
@edgarblythe,
You must be the guy behind laugh-tracks on TV comedy shows.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 12:01 pm
@Leadfoot,
Why? I really don't care what people do or do not believe. I just point out when people are talking a load of old bollocks.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 12:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
It seems these design folks are stuck with their religious' teachings and nothing more. Kinda sad. Evolution is so obvious when science/scientists provides the evidence. My visit to the Galapagos Islands many years ago, and our visit to the Charles Darwin Research Station provides the evidence of the Darwin finches and how their beaks have evolved to the available food source for the birds. http://www.epcc.edu/Biology/Documents/Natural%20Selection%202015/Natural_Selection_Bird_Beak.pdf
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 04:48 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

You must be the guy behind laugh-tracks on TV comedy shows.

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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2018 08:24 am
@edgarblythe,
Thank you!, Thank you cyberville, you’ve been such a great audience!

<exits stage left to thunderous applause>
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 12:36 pm
@izzythepush,
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Not while you keep making the wrong argument. You're still disputing empirical data instead of looking at why this universe is the way it is.

Smart Christians, (like the pope) moved on a long time ago.


USA Today
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VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.


I agree with the pope. Do you?

Catechism of the Catholic church
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The Holy SeeCatechism of the Catholic Church
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER ONE
I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER

ARTICLE I
"I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH"

Paragraph 4. The Creator

279 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."116 Holy Scripture begins with these solemn words. The profession of faith takes them up when it confesses that God the Father almighty is "Creator of heaven and earth" (Apostles' Creed), "of all that is, seen and unseen" (Nicene Creed). We shall speak first of the Creator, then of creation and finally of the fall into sin from which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to raise us up again.

280 Creation is the foundation of "all God's saving plans," the "beginning of the history of salvation"117 that culminates in Christ. Conversely, the mystery of Christ casts conclusive light on the mystery of creation and reveals the end for which "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth": from the beginning, God envisaged the glory of the new creation in Christ.118

281 And so the readings of the Easter Vigil, the celebration of the new creation in Christ, begin with the creation account; likewise in the Byzantine liturgy, the account of creation always constitutes the first reading at the vigils of the great feasts of the Lord. According to ancient witnesses the instruction of catechumens for Baptism followed the same itinerary.119

I. CATECHESIS ON CREATION

282 Catechesis on creation is of major importance. It concerns the very foundations of human and Christian life: for it makes explicit the response of the Christian faith to the basic question that men of all times have asked themselves:120 "Where do we come from?" "Where are we going?" "What is our origin?" "What is our end?" "Where does everything that exists come from and where is it going?" The two questions, the first about the origin and the second about the end, are inseparable. They are decisive for the meaning and orientation of our life and actions.

283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon they can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements. . . for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me."121

284 The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin: is the universe governed by chance, blind fate, anonymous necessity, or by a transcendent, intelligent and good Being called "God"? And if the world does come from God's wisdom and goodness, why is there evil? Where does it come from? Who is responsible for it? Is there any liberation from it?

285 Since the beginning the Christian faith has been challenged by responses to the question of origins that differ from its own. Ancient religions and cultures produced many myths concerning origins. Some philosophers have said that everything is God, that the world is God, or that the development of the world is the development of God (Pantheism). Others have said that the world is a necessary emanation arising from God and returning to him. Still others have affirmed the existence of two eternal principles, Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, locked, in permanent conflict (Dualism, Manichaeism). According to some of these conceptions, the world (at least the physical world) is evil, the product of a fall, and is thus to be rejected or left behind (Gnosticism). Some admit that the world was made by God, but as by a watch-maker who, once he has made a watch, abandons it to itself (Deism). Finally, others reject any transcendent origin for the world, but see it as merely the interplay of matter that has always existed (Materialism). All these attempts bear witness to the permanence and universality of the question of origins. This inquiry is distinctively human.

286 Human intelligence is surely already capable of finding a response to the question of origins. The existence of God the Creator can be known with certainty through his works, by the light of human reason,122 even if this knowledge is often obscured and disfigured by error. This is why faith comes to confirm and enlighten reason in the correct understanding of this truth: "By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was made out of things which do not appear."123

287 The truth about creation is so important for all of human life that God in his tenderness wanted to reveal to his People everything that is salutary to know on the subject. Beyond the natural knowledge that every man can have of the Creator,124 God progressively revealed to Israel the mystery of creation. He who chose the patriarchs, who brought Israel out of Egypt, and who by choosing Israel created and formed it, this same God reveals himself as the One to whom belong all the peoples of the earth, and the whole earth itself; he is the One who alone "made heaven and earth".125

288 Thus the revelation of creation is inseparable from the revelation and forging of the covenant of the one God with his People. Creation is revealed as the first step towards this covenant, the first and universal witness to God's all-powerful love.126 And so, the truth of creation is also expressed with growing vigor in the message of the prophets, the prayer of the psalms and the liturgy, and in the wisdom sayings of the Chosen People.127

289 Among all the Scriptural texts about creation, the first three chapters of Genesis occupy a unique place. From a literary standpoint these texts may have had diverse sources. The inspired authors have placed them at the beginning of Scripture to express in their solemn language the truths of creation - its origin and its end in God, its order and goodness, the vocation of man, and finally the drama of sin and the hope of salvation. Read in the light of Christ, within the unity of Sacred Scripture and in the living Tradition of the Church, these texts remain the principal source for catechesis on the mysteries of the "beginning": creation, fall, and promise of salvation.

II. CREATION - WORK OF THE HOLY TRINITY

290 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth":128 three things are affirmed in these first words of Scripture: the eternal God gave a beginning to all that exists outside of himself; he alone is Creator (the verb "create" - Hebrew bara - always has God for its subject). The totality of what exists (expressed by the formula "the heavens and the earth") depends on the One who gives it being.

291 "In the beginning was the Word. . . and the Word was God. . . all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."129 The New Testament reveals that God created everything by the eternal Word, his beloved Son. In him "all things were created, in heaven and on earth.. . all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."130 The Church's faith likewise confesses the creative action of the Holy Spirit, the "giver of life", "the Creator Spirit" (Veni, Creator Spiritus), the "source of every good".131

292 The Old Testament suggests and the New Covenant reveals the creative action of the Son and the Spirit,132 inseparably one with that of the Father. This creative co-operation is clearly affirmed in the Church's rule of faith: "There exists but one God. . . he is the Father, God, the Creator, the author, the giver of order. He made all things by himself, that is, by his Word and by his Wisdom", "by the Son and the Spirit" who, so to speak, are "his hands".133 Creation is the common work of the Holy Trinity.


I am glad to hear you are jumping on the Pope's bandwagon. Or are you?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 01:48 pm
@brianjakub,
I'm not here to espouse any religious ideology, I leave the proselytising to others.
brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 01:57 pm
@izzythepush,
Good niether am I. I am just here to discuss all the evidence and not pick and choose the evidence that only supports my point of view. Isnt picking and choosing information to discuss or, twisting it like you did the popes point of view to fit your philosophical view point like you do, a form of proselyting?

Do you agree with the pope like you claimed?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 04:07 pm
@brianjakub,
Yes you are. You're promoting a particular brand of Christianity.

What I believe or don't believe is nobody's business but my own. There's some very polarised camps on A2K and I'm not interested in joining any of them.
brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 04:25 pm
@izzythepush,
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What I believe or don't believe is nobody's business but my own. There's some very polarised camps on A2K and I'm not interested in joining any of them.
Sounds to me like you don't even have enough guts to join and proclaim your own camp.

Is it polarized too?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 05:03 pm
@brianjakub,
You can think whatever you want. You do sound quite desperate though.
brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2018 05:31 pm
@izzythepush,
Not desperate just irritated by people who join in the forum make a statement and then don't back it up.
 

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