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@spendius,

I put this quote on the ID thread and I think it should be on here as well.

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The wonderful age in which we live--this twentieth century with its
X-rays that enable us to see through the skin and flesh of men, and to
study the working of their organs and muscles and nerves--has brought a
new spirit into the world, a spirit of fidelity to fact, and with it a
new and higher ideal of life and of art, which must of necessity change
and transform all the conditions of existence, and in time modify the
almost immutable nature of man. For this new spirit, this love of the
fact and of truth, this passion for reality will do away with the
foolish fears and futile hopes which have fretted the childhood of our
race, and will slowly but surely establish on broad foundations the
Kingdom of Man upon Earth. For that is the meaning and purpose of the
change which is now coming over the world. The faiths and convictions of
twenty centuries are passing away and the forms and institutions of a
hundred generations of men are dissolving before us like the baseless
fabric of a dream. A new morality is already shaping itself in the
spirit; a morality based not on guess-work and on fancies; but on
ascertained laws of moral health; a scientific morality belonging not to
statics, like the morality of the Jews, but to dynamics, and so fitting
the nature of each individual person. Even now conscience with its
prohibitions is fading out of life, evolving into a more profound
consciousness of ourselves and others, with multiplied incitements to
wise giving. The old religious asceticism with its hatred of the body is
dead; the servile acceptance of conditions of life and even of natural
laws is seen to be vicious; it is of the nobility of man to be insatiate
in desire and to rebel against limiting conditions; it is the property
of his intelligence to constrain even the laws of nature to the
attainment of his ideal.

Frank Harris. The Man Shakespeare.

As nobody on the ID thread dare raise their sights to it I thought I would offer the chance here to see if any of you are made of sterner stuff than the flibbertigibbet dilettantes pirouetting over there.

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@spendius,

Evolosers (as I refer to them) view the scarcity of competing theories as evidence for their own cause ("What are you gonna REPLACE it (evolution/evoloserism) with)??

My own response is, just about anything, since you could hardly do worse than a brain-dead ideological docrine requiring a trans-finite series of probabilistic miracles and which demands that you view your neighbor as a meat-byproduct of random/stochastic processes.

The thing I normally tell those fools to replace the doctrine with is any sort of an old Coasters album from around 1959 or thereabouts with a cut of "Run, Red, Run" on it. Run, Red Run amounts to a means of transforming a monkey into a man which involves nothing more than a simple process of education and assimilation, and Occam's principle demands that it be favored over evolution:

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@gungasnake,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmE_h60rjk

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@gungasnake,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K2FK3Teijo

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@spendius,

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"For to thy sensual faults I bring in sense---
Thy adverse party is thy advocate---"

Sonnet No 35.

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@gungasnake,

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My own response is, just about anything, since you could hardly do worse than a brain-dead ideological docrine requiring a trans-finite series of probabilistic miracles and which demands that you view your neighbor as a meat-byproduct of random/stochastic processes.

Wow, visiting Conservipedia again? Theories are ALWAYS developed to sustain evidence and provide multi lines of testing and prediction. What gungasmoke wants to do is just stumble over shot and not do anything with it and just default to the myths of the desert dwellers.

AND if youd think about how limits work, youd see that, once replication was accomplished it was a short hop from a free-floating nuclide world to linkages, then an RNA world and a DNA world. Once the DNA world was established , its a FINITE hop to where various outcomes result. Genes are not destroyed (many may be removed from a particluar genome but niot the overall population of phenotypes). In fact, once an organism's gene plasm is undergoing meiosis via sexual or asexual congress, ad SNPs and STR's are accumulated, its a clear pathway to several different outcomes, each one responding via adaptation to whatever environment presents itself. The previous genes still remain in the genome and in the epigenetic membranes. Thats why certain fungi have genomes much bigger than a humans You are being defiantly obtuse again and it gets tiresome.
Maybe you should read ALley Oop as a science story.

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@farmerman,

That seems to confirm gunga's meat by-product idea. It makes no reference to spirituality, emotion, intelligence or political and literary styles. Fungi don't wear clothes. Or have religion. Or free movement in space.

"Once replication was accomplished" clears the first fence without noticing it. After that it's a "what, where, when" masterpiece of the obvious. People are interested in the "how/why" question.

There was a traffic jam on Highway 61 yesterday. It said so in the paper. If nobody does the "how/why" of it there will be another today. And tomorrow.

Why are you different from a North Korean whose mushrooms are the same as yours?

It is you, fm, who is tiresome because you continually limit your subject to the parts of it you choose. I assume your supporters are the same.

Why do you wear clothes in warm weather? Darwin found the natives in Tierra del Fuego naked and it was cold.

How did you come by your sartorial elegance, your manners and your communication style, such as it is?

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@farmerman,

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AND if youd think about how limits work, youd see that, once replication was accomplished it was a short hop from a free-floating nuclide world to linkages, then an RNA world and a DNA world.

Do you mean that we could see that once replication was accomplished it would be a short hop from a free-floating nuclide world to linkages, then an RNA world and a DNA world if we think about how limits work?

What actually is DNA then in its obviously dynamic aspect? Under laboratory examination it's dead isn't it? It might tell you something but it won't tell you everything and it is in the difference where you cheat your supporters.

And will continue to do so until you realise your error in publicly taking on an insitution like religion superficially.

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@reasoning logic,

another thread turned to ****.

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@farmerman,

Another vacuous assertion old boy.

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@spendius,

then you should avoid making them old girl

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@farmerman,

I try to. You don't. I don't think you know you're doing it.

I asked you a question. You failed to answer it and declared that the thread has turned to **** instead.

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@spendius,

I think it might be due to you having swallowed that maudlin hicksville hokiness that was so popular in certain movies during your formatives. Pat Boone and Howard Keel sort of wonderfulness which Phil Silvers pulled up by its roots.

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@spendius,

No, I was the product of an education steeped in Christian moogah boogah and JEsuits with enough balls to admonish us to "Believe or not, its your soul". So far, my lck of any religious affiliation has served me well.
Today, in PhilDELPHIA, a first, the "Most Reverend" Lynch, Catholic Priest, was convicted on counts of child molestation and endangerment of a minor. Maybe now all these predator priests will learn that their freedom days may be numbered. Another priest turned states evidence requestingmercy.
HA!. They should have their vasa efferentia filled with Gorilla glue and then forced to drink several liters of Coke

There aint any god but there is some justice

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@farmerman,

But what is justice fm. Doing those things with young boys, whatever they are I can't imagine as I'm a mature, roly-poly, pink chubbie, naked, sprawled and giddy, tit man myself, but the activity has a long history in a number of cultures and times and was in no way frowned upon. It provided opportunities for some boys to get on faster in life and I assume it reduced the birth-rate and dependence on women. Catamites they are called in some places. Quite respectable in Ancient Greece and Rome and sometimes mentioned in NAFFI bars in those countries currently having an "Arab Spring". (And just when democracy is starting to look as ridiculous as the sages said it would be once it got started!)

Sport's coaches might be influenced in team selection or teachers in homework marking. Scoutmasters in who gets the best tent or the easist sticks to rub together. In the ancient world a young lad might get out of the fields and into a palace as a thrall. In a menial position at first.

Nearly all the posh guys had a catamite or two. Futters they were also called because of their similarity to earthenware jars. The experienced ones I mean.

It doesn't matter what it does it makes no difference to me for the reasons I gave above. No tits and Percy refuses to perk up. And no challenge is hopeless.

So it seems to me that only a well brought-up Christian could condemn the activity let alone in the terms you think fit to use. From an evolutionary point of view your opinions are inexplicable as they are from a historical cultural position. You are to be commended for your Christian understanding and it setting aside your un-nominalistic realism. Them Jesuits have more experience than you can imagine. They have dealt with a great number like you.

It is important. It's hard enough as it is for young ladies to make headway without having a bunch of catamites to compete with. According to the philosphers of old they can be very seductive. No chattering and nagging for example.

If somebody told me that catamites had in the past infested the Vatican I wouldn't be in the least surprised.

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@farmerman,

And whether there is a god or not is in no way dependent on the odd case media draws to your attention of a priest behaving in that perverted manner. Nor do these cases, just the priestly ones of course, prove that evolution should or should not be taught in schools.

Hence you exposed your thoroughly Christian moral outrage to view at the expense of a disinterested scientific appraisal. Without gaining anything for your argument about God or for teaching evolution. Anyone who thinks you made a valid point doesn't matter anyway.

You lost credibility in your eagerness to raise such matters and gained nothing. To the argument I mean. You might have gained something yourself in your own estimation I suppose but I can't think what it might be.

It's as though if no priests did these perverted things it would prove God exists and evolution should not be taught in schools.

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@spendius,

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But what is justice fm. Doing those things with young boys, whatever they are I can't imagine as I'm a mature, roly-poly, pink chubbie, naked, sprawled and giddy, tit man myself, but the activity has a long history in a number of cultures and times and was in no way frowned upon. It provided opportunities for some boys to get on faster in life and I assume it reduced the birth-rate and dependence on women.. Quite respectable in Ancient Greece and Rome and sometimes mentioned in NAFFI bars in those countries currently having an "Arab Spring". (And just when democracy is starting to look as ridiculous as the sages said it would be once it got started!)

So is that how you justified it when you sexually assaulted little boys while you were a deacon?

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Hence you exposed your thoroughly Christian moral outrage

One has to fully understand the evil church before one dismisses it.

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@farmerman,

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So is that how you justified it when you sexually assaulted little boys while you were a deacon?

Okay-- now I can accuse you of continually coming back to the subject because you are fascinated by it. Which you prove by obsessing about the matter despite the fact, as I explained, that it proves nothing about either God or teaching evolution is schools.

I thought it was impolite to voice my suspicions about your fascination with these matters before and how you search out instances of them avidly but your ignorant assertion frees me from such an unscientific inhibition. Your position fits neatly with your belittling of the Trivia threads where I am well known for my obsessions with lingerie and experienced women both of which subjects seem to frighten you.

And you have no proof or one iota of evidence that there is any substance in your remark which is nothing but a desperate flounce.

The obvious fact that Media is equally obsessed, when millions of people are suffering economic woes which shorten their lives and make them unhealthy, is neither here nor there except insofar as it points forcibly to its similar obsession and its view about how popular such stories are with its consumers.

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@farmerman,

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One has to fully understand the evil church before one dismisses it.

That just shows an emotionally driven bigotry of the sort that is found in the Orange Order, Communist hierarchies and some Islamic theology.

It is proof of what I have said many times: there's no science in you. You just dress your bigotry up with some scientific sounding expressions in order to mislead others with red herrings on the hook of superficialities which only sound plausible until they are examined properly.

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