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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 01:34 pm
@spendius,
calling you an IDioramus is not an argument. Its merely stating a fact.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 02:04 pm
@farmerman,
We all know that your blurts are facts.

You have yet to have anything constructive to say about two of my recent posts. Nothing about the joke of your science teachers teaching science according to the principles they spout when in full-flow abstraction mode which sound good to the sort of dimwits who think milk comes from the supermarket. There's a stock of words in the literature suitable for the purpose. There's no need to know what they mean.

And I know why you don't consider the totality of life forms as one undifferentiated and gloppy, chaotic mass of seething ectoplasm left over from the struggle for existence at every stage, which is what it is by your own pet theory. It is because such considerations will call into question your exalted position on the Tree of Life. As it would have done for Darwin. And his class of upthrusters. The idea of "progress" being built into his mindset. And yours.

And you are not going to admit that and you have no answer from a scientific point of view.

farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 02:07 pm
@spendius,
youre too wound up there spendi. Quaff a suds ir three.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 05:13 pm
@farmerman,
Not again. Is that they only response you can come up with? It's pitiful. And self-evidently so.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 05:21 pm
@spendius,
I like the idea of being a microcosm in an undifferentiated and gloppy, chaotic mass of seething ectoplasm left over from the struggle for existence.

It seems to slough off all responsibility. The Easy Rider genre.

I saw a few organic pigs feeding in an agricultural programme about a trial of GM wheat. We have a fair slice of common DNA with pigs I believe. And it is said we taste like pig after being roasted.

One of them was stood in the trough.

What's your position on GM crops?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 06:40 pm
@spendius,
I like the new Camaros
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 03:09 am
@farmerman,
A symbolic expression of sadism. The forceful imposition of the ego on the world around.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 03:45 am
@spendius,
A new opinion poll here says that 46% of us want to leave the EU.

The first question that was asked was whether the consequences of leaving the EU had been explained to the 46%.

Have the consequences of teaching evolution been explained to those who favour it? Have they even been discussed?

Dare the NCSE address the matter? Dare the editors of the publications wande quotes address the matter?

We do know that A2K's anti-IDers not only daren't address the subject but lurch at the Ignore button if anybody even alludes to the logical consequences of teaching evolution. Bearing in mind how interesting it is the glaring omission is incomprehensible.

It was discovered last week that young lady students at Oxford and Cambridge are being offered £700 a throw to donate eggs. The stud farm is here.

These recidivist knuckle-draggers are holding science back.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2012 08:33 am
GEORGIA UPDATE
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Science standards approved for schools
(by Colton Campbell/Times-Georgian/05.22.12)

The first public draft of Georgia’s new science standards were made available for public comment last week, and one Carroll County church disapproves of some of its content.

The Next Generation Science Standards include ideas, practices and concepts that instruct students about natural selection and evolution. Students will learn about the evidence of adaptation and common ancestry and diversity.

Bob Staples, a member of Villa Rica Church of Christ, said he doesn’t think the teaching of evolution is good education.

“I ask that it be removed from the classroom because it is not actual science,” Staples said. “But that’s not going to happen; I know that.”

The church sponsors the Web page Christians4Science, which contains text and videos that reprehend the teaching of evolution in public schools.

“I like that they’re making the effort to improve science education,” Staples said. “My position on the teaching of evolution as a fact is that it needs to be critically analyzed. There are scientific problems with evolutionary principles.”

Zoe Evans, a life science teacher at Central Middle School, was on the Next Generation Science Standards writing team, and she said the team tried to stay true to the framework outlined by the National Research Council.

“Some of the greatest minds in scientific education and science itself provided that framework,” she said. “All standards, not just those dealing with evolution, were based on that framework.”

Kathy Rogers, assistant superintendent of teaching and learning for Carroll County, said the new standards will not be taught in life science classrooms until a couple of years from now.

Evans said the new standards have come about because it’s been more than 15 years since the standards were last looked at.

“Science is a dynamic, changing field,” she said. “We just want to provide a quality education for our children.”

Staples said he has never seen any clear evidence to support evolution.

“If there’s no evidence, and we’re supposed to be teaching about things with identifiable evidence, then why are we teaching it in science classes?” he asked. “Because people have made it a law that you can teach it.”

Staples said he believes there are standard-writers who are putting there own beliefs into their work.

“I believe that with this new scientific effort, there’s some evolutionists inserting their beliefs into it,” he said.

Staples stressed that he does not want creationism to be taught in public schools instead of evolution.

The first public draft of Georgia’s Next Generation Science Standards became available at www.nextgenscience.org last Friday. It will be available there until June 1.

Twenty-five states, including Georgia, and the District of Columbia are leading the development of the NGSS, an effort that will clearly define the content and practices all students will need to learn from kindergarten through high school graduation. The NGSS process is being managed by Achieve, a non-partisan education non-profit.

As for why the new standards are being implemented, the Georgia Department of Education said in a press release that American students continue to lag internationally in science education, making them less competitive for the jobs of the present and the future.

A recent U.S. Department of Commerce study shows that over the past 10 years, growth in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) jobs was three times greater than that of non-STEM jobs. The report also shows that STEM jobs are expected to continue to grow at a faster rate than other jobs in the coming decade, according to the release.

To provide comments on the new standards, go to www.nextgenscience.org and click on any of the links that say “Go to the NGSS Survey” before June 1. For more information about Villa Rica Church of Christ and Christians4Science, visit www.unity-in-christ.org.

“There are directions and an instructional video on how to give feedback on that website,” Staples said. “We just want to let people know what they can do.”
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 03:36 pm
@wandeljw,
Heres the newest wrinkle in the Discovery Institute's policy. They claim that Pa is one of several states in which the "Complete" story (which apparently includes Intelligent Design to the Institute's way of thinking). However, having worked on those standards for the Commonwealth over 11 years ago, we embrace the "full story" that is supported by the evidence and by the sciemtific method (Discovery Institute fails to present a complete stpory)

Heres their new policy ad its kinda cute.

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What does the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture recommend for science education curriculum?

As a matter of public policy, Discovery Institute opposes any effort to require the teaching of intelligent design by school districts or state boards of education. Attempts to mandate teaching about intelligent design only politicize the theory and will hinder fair and open discussion of the merits of the theory among scholars and within the scientific community. Furthermore, most teachers at the present time do not know enough about intelligent design to teach about it accurately and objectively.

Instead of mandating intelligent design, Discovery Institute seeks to increase the coverage of evolution in textbooks. It believes that evolution should be fully and completely presented to students, and they should learn more about evolutionary theory, including its unresolved issues. In other words, evolution should be taught as a scientific theory that is open to critical scrutiny, not as a sacred dogma that can't be questioned.

Discovery Institute believes that a curriculum that aims to provide students with an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of neo-Darwinian and chemical evolutionary theories (rather than teaching an alternative theory, such as intelligent design) represents a common ground approach that all reasonable citizens can agree on.

Seven states (Alabama, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Texas) have science standards that require learning about some of the scientific controversies relating to evolution.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 03:39 pm
@farmerman,
It's not necessary to dumb-down Americans who live in those states; they already missed the boat on education, common sense, and logic.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 05:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I live in Pa and its sciece curriculum requirements are NOTHING like what the Discovery Institute says they are. The DI is lying through its teeth.
SO, if they lie about this, they probably loie about many things. (to modify a quote by Boida)\(or Soz, I forget)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 05:34 pm
@farmerman,
Even in a court of law, during the course of a trial, the jury is told by the judge if they learn that the defendant has lied, it's allowed to assume they lied about other things also.

With Romney's preponderance of lies, he'd be hung by all juries.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 07:45 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
What does the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture recommend for science education curriculum?

As a matter of public policy, Discovery Institute opposes any effort to require the teaching of intelligent design by school districts or state boards of education. Attempts to mandate teaching about intelligent design only politicize the theory and will hinder fair and open discussion of the merits of the theory among scholars and within the scientific community. Furthermore, most teachers at the present time do not know enough about intelligent design to teach about it accurately and objectively.


Hahaha Smile So, they oppose it because it politicizes the theory, not because it's total hogwash (which is is). Oh, and they also oppose it because all those stupid science teachers don't understand it well enough to teach it (maybe because it's not science, and there's nothing to teach or understand).

Here's ID in an nutshell: "We refuse to accept evolution, but we don't have any other natural explanations, so we logically deduce that the only remaining possibility is GOD".
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2012 08:36 pm
@rosborne979,
bingo!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 01:51 pm
@rosborne979,
We refuse to accept evolution, but we don't have any other natural explanations, so we logically deduce that the only remaining possibility is GOD".

I think they do accept evolution but not the teaching of it to school-kids because doing so involves unnecessary risks.

The logical deduction is that the folks want an explanation of themselves and their surroundings and that they were created is more plausible to them than the alternatives which are that they have always existed or popped into existence from nothing. Neither of which scientists can get their heads around never mind the folks.

And that the ceremonies and rituals concerned with making the God explanation plausible are entertaining, dignified and flattering and provide opportunities for other less spiritual social activities.

The meaningless organism with a hole at each end and equipped with gonads to replicate is a bit hard to take for an elegant lady watching a performance of a Mozart string quartet. And for her lover.

I think so anyway.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 02:47 pm
@spendius,
"Logically deduce?" LOL Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 02:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I thought you had me on Ignore. You said you had. So much for your veracity.

There's another possibility. You could make people not want to know about themselves and their surroundings by treating them in one of fm's reconditioning centres.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 02:56 pm
@spendius,
Yeah, but there's no law against peeking in once in awhile to see if your posts have changed any. Once in "how many months" is not what I call off from Ignore.

Conclusion; you're still "ignorant!"
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 02:58 pm
@spendius,
Spendius:
If you were to take all of the visible matter in the entire Universe, all the galaxies, all the stars, planets, moons and the stuff we consider stuff and crammed it all together, it would amount to about 4% of the total of what's in the Universe (the rest being dark matter and dark energy).
So, the entire visible Universe could disappear in the next few minutes and the Universe wouldn't even notice. Like a burp on a summer's day.

Evolution? Shucks, we're barely a molecule in this petri dish.
Joe(Pacem en Terris)Nation
 

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