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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:54 am
@Ionus,
ANUS , puhleeeze. Youre acting like youre making sense and we all know that youre just a bluff with no stuff. I have no idea from where you gather your history (especially about the US) but if Ize you, Id try to get my money back .

look up Anabaptist persecution

Reconquista and Inquisition

Plague of europe in 1340 and see who got blamed and what was the consequence.

Youve got Christianity stuck up your ass and it wont let go. Youve claimed to be an atheist yourself (or was that just some other of your Oxy Personnae?)
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:59 am
@farmerman,
The Renaissance was caused by a collective failure of nerve in southern Europe. "Back to basics" ****. An attempted renewal of Classical values. Corrupt to the core. Like all Romanticism. Makes the girls stand in line you see. Like Roy Orbison.

The real action was in the north. America's spiritual homeland. Renaissance values are reserved for when you are feeling woosey and in need of a bullshit splatter. I'm at a loss how you find anybody to listen to it for any longer that five minutes or how long it takes to see through it. Whichever is the shorter.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:02 am
@farmerman,
The Office of the Inquisition was particularly charming. Members of the church were not allowed to shed blood, so they used red-hot irons, thumb screws, racks--that sort of thing.

Ask the Jews about the tender mercies of Christians--of any flavor.

The Renaissance grew out of texts which came to Europe both from the Middle East, after the crusades began in the late 11th century; and from the Iberian peninsula as a result of the reconquista. Scholars writing in Arabic had a great deal to contribute on their own account, but most importantly, they preserved the wisdom of the Ancients of the Classical Greek and the subsequent Hellenistic worlds. Hobbit Bob (for those who remember him) once pointed out that many, perhaps even most, of those texts already existed in Europe. But texts mouldering in some monastic library, and texts eagerly passed from hand to hand and avidly consumed are two quite different kettles of fish.

The Royal Libraries and the Museion of the Ptolemids were destroyed over time, in the first century BCE, the third century CE, the late 4th century CE--which was the notorious burning of the library and its chief librarian, Hypatia. She was actually killed when the Museion was burned. The Emperor Theodosius had authorized the destruction of pagan shrines, and the Coptic patriarch jumped on the opportunity to destroy these institutions. Christians have always correctly seen the acquisition and the preservation of secular knowledge as a theat to their dominion. Modern scholars reject the stories of the destruction of what remained of the libraries by the Muslim conquerors of Egypt in the seventh century. It is likely that these stories were spread by Christians seeking to disparage the Muslims, and then were re-inforced when Yusouf, Sala'-al-Din (Saladin) burned Isma'ili libraries, and who wanted to justify destroying the libraries of the Fatamids in Cairo by appealing to a mytical, earlier event claimed to have been authorized by the Calif. There was little enough left to destroy in the 7th century, never mind the 13th.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:09 am
LOUISIANA UPDATE
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Science Education Act challenge fails
(Mike Hasten, Shreveport Times, May 27, 2011)

BATON ROUGE — Dozens of students, teachers and college professors pushing for the repeal of the Louisiana Science Education Act went away disappointed Thursday.

Arguments that the law adopted in 2008 is leading some school systems to consider teaching creationism in science classes and that students would receive an inadequate education were rebuffed by the Senate Education Committee chaired by Sen. Ben Nevers, D-Bogalusa, the author of the LSEA.

"Creationism is not science," said Baton Rouge High School graduating senior Zack Kopplin, the leader of the repeal effort. "It does not belong in a public school science classroom. Put it in a religion class, a philosophy class, but not in a science class."

The committee said the law's language is sufficient to block the teaching of creationism and voted 5-1 to reject SB70 by Sen. Karen Peterson, D-New Orleans.

Nevers said his legislation "requires empirical evidence" for something to be taught and he doesn't believe a teacher could do what the opponents contend. Gov. Bobby Jindal opposed the repeal.

Stafford Palmieri, the governor's education advisor, told the committee "This bill is seeking to remove protections for teachers that give them the ability to teach the full breadth of scientific teaching."

Other opponents of the repeal argued that the law was not about evolution but is needed to assure teachers that they can introduce other materials to present competing arguments and stimulate "critical thinking," as spelled out in the law.

"They don't need a law to teach critical thinking in a science class," Kopplin said. "Science is critical thinking."

Kopplin's effort was supported by numerous national science associations, representatives of Louisiana science teachers and college professors and several student who attended the hearing. Also, 43 Nobel laureates sent letters supporting his effort.

One of the repeal supporters read a letter from the Rev. Welton Gaddy, a Baptist minister from Monroe and president of the Interfaith Alliance, a national organization, urging the committee to approve Peterson's bill.

"They don't need a law to teach science," said Bryn Mawr student Hannah Smith of Baton Rouge. "They need a law to teach creationism."

Patsy Peebles, a former high school and LSU science teacher, said the LSEA "opens the door to teaching non-science in science classes." She said numerous attempts to pass similar legislation were rejected in other states and Louisiana was the only state to approve a bill to "open the back door for teaching creationism."

Peebles said she personally believes that "God is why" there is life on earth "but that does not belong in the classroom." She said it would be unfair to teach only one of the many different religions' creation stories. Although school boards in Livingston and Tangipahoa parishes have discussed using the act to support teaching creationism in classrooms, Nancy Beben of the state Department of Education official said no school system has requested approval of curriculum changes.

She said teachers have requested "supplemental materials" approved by the Board of Elementary and Secondary Education to use in their classrooms.

Lennie Ditoro of the Louisiana Family Forum Research Council said teaching creationism "has been banned from the classroom." Instead, "We do want intellectual honesty" and "teachers need protection" to introduce other ideas.

Darrell White, one of the founders of the Family Forum, said the "basic purpose (of the law) is to teach the controversy." He said the Ouachita Parish School Board has adopted a curriculum that allows teachers to use alternative materials and it has not been challenged.

Sen. Yvonne Dorsey, D-Baton Rouge, was the only committee member to support SB70. Voting against the repeal were Nevers and Sens. Conrad Appel, R-Metairie, Julie Quinn, R-Metairie, Jack Donahue, R-Mandeville, Gerald Long, R-Winnfield.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:24 am
@Setanta,
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The Office of the Inquisition was particularly charming.


Well--it arose from a society consisting almost entirely of particularly charming citizens.

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But texts mouldering in some monastic library, and texts eagerly passed from hand to hand and avidly consumed are two quite different kettles of fish.


That's a very lacksadaisical mixed metaphor. Two quite different hot potatoes is a vast improvement. They are passed from hand to hand far more than kettles of fish.

Readers might compare the research of Umberto Eco to Setanta's to decide the level of "mouldering" of the texts which took place in those places of piety. They were the principle objective of the monastic libraries and indeed the purpose of the institutions. They were pored over and copied and illuminated as the daily task of the inmates for life. So don't let Setanta's sly use of "mouldering" cause you to reach for waste disposal kits. There are far better reasons. Their evil perfection of alcoholic beverages for example. And culinary specialities. They got the ugliest and stupidest half of the female population a faithful husband each. And that's some feat however evil it is.

One might easily see that objections to their methods should be dealt with severely to make sure there was no let up or hindrances in such evil doings. In Walmart say, any day of the week. At any dinner party.

BTW--CBS announced last night that 48% of American households are married couples. They gave the 1950 figure. It was 70%. Extrapolating, ignoring the speed at which new fangled ideas catch on once gone critical, and 52% has got there, Americans will all be living on their own by about 2100 with a few isolated eccentrics clinging to the old ways and being laughed at.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:37 am
@wandeljw,
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Senate Education Committee


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Gov. Bobby Jindal opposed the repeal.


Are these 7 people elected wande?

Was Judge Jones elected?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:39 am
@spendius,
spendi, When it involves the push for creationism in science, they are not required to be "elected." Your tangents are meaningless.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
What other pushes require no need to be elected? The SEC and Mr Jindal are elected aren't they? It's not a push--it's a consensus view of Louisiana citizens and voted for. Vote them out and get your own push voted in.

What a confession of totalitarian sympathies you just let fly the airwaves.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
The 5th Fed district court will probably be the scene of another "Test" of the "Teach the controversy" and "critical thinking" (stealth Creationist) bullshit. Im sure that the 5th district will find just as the 3rd did in Kitzmiller v Dover.

Judge Jones was appointed by GW Bush and was ' Solidly locked into the Conservative religious worldview". Everything except science fact and evidence was assured to GW.

Heres going to be another stupid money wsting court test which could have easily been avoided by just admitting that ID is not science and isnt entitled to be taught in public schools as such.

Jindall is probably not looking at any higher public service than is Ricky Santorum (whose name has become equated with bodily fluids exuded during gay sex)

Go to Google and punch in SANTORUM, itll crack a gut.



Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 10:00 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Go to Google and punch in SANTORUM, itll crack a gut.


Well, that was truly disgusting . . . and it was pretty damned hilarious, too.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 10:06 am
@farmerman,
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Im sure that the 5th district will find just as the 3rd did in Kitzmiller v Dover.


Obviously, if all the arguments I have put on these threads are hidden carefully from their view. By the light of the science you have declared to be the only science worth consideration they could do nothing else. Your definition is designed to make that outcome inevitable.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 10:36 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

ANUS , puhleeeze. Youre acting like youre making sense and we all know that youre just a bluff with no stuff. I have no idea from where you gather your history (especially about the US) but if Ize you, Id try to get my money back .


What do you expect? Ionus believes he's a greater authority on Rome than Pliny the elder.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 10:39 am
@farmerman,
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gay sex


The phrase is an absurdity. Deeply misogynistic.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 10:42 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

farmerman wrote:
Go to Google and punch in SANTORUM, itll crack a gut.


Well, that was truly disgusting . . . and it was pretty damned hilarious, too.


Always the man of science, farmerman wants us to know all details, no matter how disgusting.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 11:10 am
@wandeljw,
Voyeurs.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 11:29 am
@spendius,
I think someone who watches a group of women applying boot polish to a young lad's bollocks could be described as a voyeur.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 01:30 pm
@izzythepush,
I couldn't avoid it. And anyway the ecstatic shrieks of the perps were a good lesson in basic psychology. There were about two hundred women in the room at the time. I was too senior for them to touch me. They knew their place.

He had done something they disapproved of.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 01:39 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I couldn't avoid it. And anyway the ecstatic shrieks of the perps were a good lesson in basic psychology. There were about two hundred women in the room at the time. I was too senior for them to touch me. They knew their place.

He had done something they disapproved of.



You had the choice of whether or not to go that particular pub in the first place. Let alone sit down and order a pint of Boggart Ruby Tuesday.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 03:32 pm
@izzythepush,
It was in a machine room. During working hours but on Christmas Eve.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 03:52 pm
@spendius,
Do I understand you correctly, "that you had two hundred women in the same room with you at the same time?
How big was this machine room and what did they want from you?

I shared with Ionus a spring picnic video and thought that he might consider taking JTT on a picnic with him but he did not seem interested!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WZoUbNsk20&feature=relmfu

Would you think that he might consider a women as intelligent as this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Tn4w04KOY&feature=fvwrel

I would because I find her intellect to be very attractive! The sad thing is, "I am too old and I am also married!

 

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