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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 06:53 pm
@Ionus,
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So why blame religion ?


I may come across wrong at times but that may be because I have faults of my own.

As far as I can tell about religion is that it also is a man made construct and if one is not willing to admit the errors of man then I can also see how they are not able to admit the problems that religion has preached to the masses. "as if religion has a empirical understanding of reality!
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 06:54 pm
@farmerman,
You are so dim you wouldnt light enough in the pitch dark to see your nose .

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just a few where the church had instituted slowroasting torture pursuant to some odious rules of the Church
Read this very slowly...move your lips to help you understand....torture was there before religion . It was a secular activity before, during and after the Inquisition . It was never instituted by the Church . It was not pursuant to some odious rules of the Church . Inquisitors used CIVIL laws in the application of interrogation techniques . It was perfectly legal CIVIL procedure and had nothing to do with Church Law...they were being good citizens and following the Law . Laws that had far more atheist content then religious .

To say, Oh yeah, well Christians tortured people too is not a counter argument . It is totally redundant and makes no point what so ever so when I ask what is the point, I would like to know in what way does the poster think saying "nyah nyah" is helpful . If they then say only the clever can understand, then I reserve strong doubts . That you jumped in with your wiley way of not knowing anything or contributing anything but not understanding that you are so ineffectual does not surprise me in the least .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 06:58 pm
@reasoning logic,
You have totally missed my point . If you had of understood, instead of :
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as if religion has a empirical understanding of reality!


You would have said :
as if humans have an empirical understanding of reality!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 07:03 pm
@Ionus,
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as if humans have an empirical understanding of reality!


Is that not where we get religion from? "What man thinks to be an empirical understanding of reality?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 07:08 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Is that not where we get religion from? What man thinks to be an empirical understanding of reality?
Yes, most definitely . But only some .
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 07:17 pm
@Ionus,
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But only some .


Please explain!
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 07:31 pm
@reasoning logic,
Only some men think of religion as empirical . Others like myself see the theory thus :

Perfect God, Perfect Message, Imperfect Medium, Imperfect Reciever . That throws it all back to being a matter of interpretation .
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 03:44 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

It is shocking because like in Israel and Egypt at the time, descendants were traced through the female . If he kills his daughter then he has to bring back his brothers wife or their line will die out . The assumption is that his wife hasnt been very good at providing children and he has had only one survive .They have only one child and he kills it . That shows his dedication to succeed not any horror at sacrifice . Much later then classical times, Romans still employed human sacrifice until Christianity took over and it was banned .

Spendi is right .



I've never claimed to be a historian. It's quite obvious you're not one though.
check out the following from Wikipedia.

According to Pliny the Elder, human sacrifice was formally banned during the consulship of Publius Licinius Crassus and Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus in 97 BCE, although by this time it was so rare that the decree was largely symbolic.

Maybe you should try checking things out first before you start spouting bollocks. If that's not too much to ask. Next you'll be saying Australia retained the Ashes.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 06:01 pm
@izzythepush,
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I've never claimed to be a historian.
Then leave history to those who do...

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It's quite obvious you're not one though.
What you consider obvious is of no concern to me .

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According to Pliny the Elder, human sacrifice was formally banned during the consulship of Publius Licinius Crassus and Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus in 97 BCE, although by this time it was so rare that the decree was largely symbolic.
Didnt we just agree you were no historian ? Yet you come back with an argument based on your knowledge of history ....you should read your posts....I do....not sure why though....

Being an historian like you are not, you know Pliny was talking about open air sacrifices at temples . Generals continued to sacrifice slaves in the open air before a battle . What stopped that practice was a decline in a belief in the gods . The Games continued to be dedicated to the gods along with the lives lost . Public executions continued to be dedicated to the gods . Masters still had the power of life and death over slaves for many years to come which included sacrificing them if they wanted .

Children could be abandoned in the "wild" as a way of sacrificing their life by giving back to the gods . A sort of "thank you, but we dont like this one...can we try something different ?"

Did you know bull fighting was formally banned in Spain in the Middle Ages ? It never even slowed down .

But we are in agreement . You are NOT an historian .
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 07:10 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus is this close to true history?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbOfyF_tMc&feature=channel_video_title
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 07:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
It is very selective history by atheists . Why not mention the first time the Great Library at Alexandria was burnt down ? By the Romans who at that time had become atheists, not believing in any gods . Why not mention the great works that were kept alive by Islam and Christianity that helped spur the renaissance ?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 07:01 am
@Ionus,

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But we are in agreement . You are NOT an historian .


I am not a historian, but I know considerably more about history than you. You are a moron pure and simple.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 07:55 am
@izzythepush,
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I know considerably more about history than you
It doesnt seem so now does it ?

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You are a moron pure and simple.
If that is your best comeback you are clearly not good at insulting people either .

I think anyone will notice your grasping at the easiest to find history, being told where you went wrong and then responding with grade 5 insults . If you did know something, anything, about the topic, you would have responded with information instead of very poor quality insults . Why dont you have a good cry and try again next time . It is not your fault that you know nothing but want people to worship you for your knowledge .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 07:59 am
@Ionus,
Oh and I forgot to mention, one of the temples had a subterranean vault where captives were thrown in to starve to death...either Mars or Ianus from memory . That sure sounds like a human sacrifice to me, how about you, dizzy ?
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:11 am
@izzythepush,
The Anus and Spendi team are in supreme denial about whether "Christian civilizations" engaged in brutal forms of torture like burning, "Slowroating " or not. They apparently like to parade their selective and truncated memories about historical facts.
Sveral hundred Amish and Anabaptists would love to recount theor travails at the arm of the Palatinate Catholic Church. Or how the lovely Anglican soldiers would distribute smallpox infested blankets to Indians they wished to eradicate.
Yep, being a Christian clear;y demonstrates the phrase
"The better angels of our nature..." REconquista was pretty much a brutal return to Christianity after several quiet centuries of diverse religions living in peace in Muslim SPain. Hint: foire was a favorite weapon to convert the JEw and Muslim(and to test out the religious resolve of those Muslims and Jews who decided to convert to save theior asses and the asses of their families).

As far as the Library of Alexandria serving as the source for the information that kindled the Renaissance, Id say that ANUS is like the rooster taking credit for the dawn. Especially since the library was pretty much a gone edifice even before the Middle Ages got rolling. It would be about another 1000 years before we could claim Renaissance.

Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:34 am
@farmerman,
Now Gomer the turd, you know you have no knowledge of history...this has been proven time and time again . And you cant even read what is written . Your drinking problem surfacing AGAIN ?

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Why not mention the first time the Great Library at Alexandria was burnt down ? Why not mention the great works that were kept alive by Islam and Christianity that helped spur the renaissance ?
Poor old Gomer the turd reads that above and thinks :
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As far as the Library of Alexandria serving as the source for the information that kindled the Renaissance

See how there is no connection but the one he imagined ? Unfortunately he is losing his mind and blames others .

Gomer the turd gets horrid drunk and mean...then his chip on his shoulder gets itchy and he goes quite crazy . When he posts on geo he tries to make it as obscure and full of abbreviations as he can, so people will think him clever...well he needn't waste his time . He is the clown of A2K .
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:37 am
@Ionus,
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Oh and I forgot to mention, one of the temples had a subterranean vault where captives were thrown in to starve to death...either Mars or Ianus from memory . That sure sounds like a human sacrifice to me, how about you, dizzy ?


It had been common practice throughout the world before Christianity to bury a live victim in the foundation of any new building. To implore the favour of the gods.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:39 am
@Ionus,
Your drug induced state any better? I do hope you can kick it. Until then ,please dont try to assend some hill of historical clredibility douche bag, you aint got no weapons other than a big mouth. Youre defenseless.

Kicking your ass is childs play cause you keep leading with your empty -drug addled "brain"(actually more like a neural ganglion).
Go to bed , pass out for the night.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:43 am
@farmerman,
Stop trying to detract from how stupid your post is...takes after you no doubt . Show me the connection that you made and then criticised me for it occurring all in your head...

Then you go on with all the bombast of someone who actually scored a point . You failed, Gomer the turd, anyone can see that...who do you think you are fooling ?

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you aint got no weapons other than a big mouth
Then meet the challenge . Show us how your stupid imagined connection really exists ....go on, bluster and bluff your way out of this one .

Gomer the turd must seek help
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:49 am
@farmerman,
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The Anus and Spendi team are in supreme denial about whether "Christian civilizations" engaged in brutal forms of torture like burning, "Slowroating " or not. They apparently like to parade their selective and truncated memories about historical facts.


Rubbish. I related the case of Miguel Serveto y Conesa in the last few days. And kindly do not line me up with Ionus. He is in favour of teaching evolution in schools. He is on your side and not mine. Your difficulty with him is that he comes clean.

And I have read The Malleus Malficarum. Your "supreme denial" is just another empty assertion. And false.

The "Anglican soldiers" were on a land grab and you sit on the land they grabbed. How nice to sympathise with the Indians now you're in occupation. Marrow-bone hypocrisy can't stoop much further than that.
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