Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

Making it shocking is part of Homer's greatness. At the time the masses expected it. Demanded it. Revelled in it. Felt that they depended upon it. It was a duty. As with Abraham. He expected it. His son expected it. His tribe expected it.

And our God intervened and stayed his hand and the blood of the lamb was substituted and established. This was a new God. The cruel, vengeful, bloodthirsty god/s ( and there were thousands) were on the skids from there on and He had to be fought for against hundreds of thousands of years of human practices. Almost all of which were shameful by our standards. Disgusting. Evil. The lot. Fought for in the service of the greatest good for the greatest number. And against the odds of the deeper parts of the human psyche as well as against the long established precedents those depths had created. The argument in Libya, in Iraq, in India.

Jesus substituted bread. Breaking it symbolising the broken bodies of the myriads of human victims and animal victims whose sufferings placated those gods the more the more terrible they were.

You are betting on those deep parts of the human psyche being a myth. But they are not. They are a fact of life. And our crime voyeurism is there to prove our fascination with them.

You would make more sense if you proposed to deal with them pharmaceutically or surgically or with terror. At least I might take you seriously then. Those are possibly alternatives. Shouting abuse at the headmaster's windows is kid's stuff as if that will get the school re-organised unless you get a mob up. I'm here to warn you that there's a bigger mob, a much bigger mob, which thinks the school is pretty fine as it is and without getting complacent about it.

The next time you make plans to see another, novel hundred millionth part of the world take a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle. Write in the left hand column the advantages of taking the $2,000 trip and in the right the advantages of staying at home. If you haven't any extra sheets of paper to extend the right column you can use the bottom 90% of the left column. Then do it for the disadvantages. But for that you will need a lot of paper for the left hand column and if you need any at all for the right you have cocked up on your life's work. I have never bought a lottery ticket because I'm scared of winning the jackpot. A couple of hundred grand would be nice but $300 million. Jeepers creepers!!

What would you do without them? If they prove that evolution should be taught in schools then you need them. I certainly don't. They aid your cause. I can't put on here what I think about them.

Are you trying to tell us that if there were none of those people you would not be in favour of teaching evolution in schools. They only looked like priests by the way, they were not priests, even if everybody thought they were.

You don't ignore the message because the messenger picks his nose.

Don't try that dirty trick on me. I can't imagine what an atheist has against such behaviour. How would he arrive at being shocked at it? It was institutionalised before Christianity. It was the favourite pastime of Tiberius.

The police do searches here for taxi-drivers to get a licence because too many taxi-drivers took advantage of the job to get at kids and women. Are you against taxis? Scoutmasters had such a reputation when I was a kid that I kept well away from them. Are you against The Scouts? And with about 40 priests in my school I never heard a breath of any of that stuff. Boxing coaches are vetted so I assume so also other kid's sports. Are you in favour of kids being coached at sport?

It's a ridiculous argument and you show yourself up using it. Do you seriously think you can take on Christendom with that shite. Boy oh boy--you must mix in some pretty moronic circles.

It's obvious that they are of benefit to you lot by your constant returning to the matter. Or I hope that is the reason.

I have been approached in a street by an Arab urchin with "you wan my leetle seesta meesta? Very good, very clean, very cheap. " No kidding.

Fancy sitting down to a big Thanksgiving dinner and refusing to thank the Lord.

The Lord puts His Head in His Hands and shakes It slowly from side to side. "What do the fuckers want?" He moans.

Spendius said

You are betting on those deep parts of the human psyche being a myth. But they are not. They are a fact of life. And our crime voyeurism is there to prove our fascination with them.

I'm not betting on anything, except perhaps there being a sell out at the Apollo.

It had nothing to do with being Jewish...it had to do with being successful traders, having jealous neighbours and lending money to noble dead beats .

You bare a lousy historian.....those methods were secular and they had been around since atheists were in Greece . Christians used secular law and interrogation methods, they didnt invent their own .

The Greeks had a very funny torture where they put someone in a bronze cow and lit a fire under it . Apparently the screams came out sounding like a randy bull roaring....very amusing !

Trivia : the Cathedral door was the local public notice board...it was not directly confronting to the church .

And the Nazis and Communists provide many good examples of atheist killings and cruelty . What is your point ?

Another "not an historian" historian . It is shocking because like in Israel and Egypt at the time, descendants were traced through the female . If he kills his daughter then he has to bring back his brothers wife or their line will die out . The assumption is that his wife hasnt been very good at providing children and he has had only one survive .They have only one child and he kills it . That shows his dedication to succeed not any horror at sacrifice . Much later then classical times, Romans still employed human sacrifice until Christianity took over and it was banned .

Spendi is right .

Hey, anus, atheists is not an organization by any means you wish to apply that term. If atrocities are practiced by any organization, they are either religious or political. Naziism is not atheism by any definition, because there is no such thing. Provide us with evidence, any evidence, that atheists were responsible for Naziism or Communism. The lack of religion in any organization is not automatically considered atheist.

You will not be able to provide any evidence of it. None.

Yes, to their eternal shame . What is your point ?

You don't understand the point? You are stupid!

Hey, silly female impersonator, atheism was the ideal presented for the Nazis and Communists . Like you, they revelled in attacking the religious . They are you, you just dont realise it or dont like it .

You cant explain your own point ? You are worse than stupid .

There are simple concepts most people understand without a detailed explanation for them. You are just stupid.

What are you like at lotto numbers, because you really suck at telling me what I can and cant do .

Martin Bormann was a very vocal atheist in the Nazis . Nazi policies attacked the Jews, the oldest religion in Europe not from a Christian stand point but from an atheist stand point .





You are a self-opinionated egotistical dickhead who cant be told anything that he doesn't already know . You are in like company with the other atheists here .

Dont quote what you think are facts and expect people to go ....ooohhhhh ....facts... anyone who can say the sky is blue must be right about nuclear theory..... state your facts and give your opinion based on those facts . This vague hypnosis technique of yours is as pathetic as your subject knowledge . And to then claim only clever people can understand you is as about a stupid an utterance as you are capable of...well, you might out do yourself one day...but that is still a very high bench mark for now .

I find that as a rather odd reply! Do you not think that atheist, agnostics and theist alike are not responsible for some retarded behavior throughout history?

I think it is cool that you brought up the word secular which would include some atheist and agnostics if I am not mistaken. I never consider to research that before but how could I if I never heard of it put that way before?

I take it that you did not find this young man to have any value in what he said?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQm82ADzV1w&feature=channel_video_title

Are you dim or just playing so for TV? YOU were the one (quoting spendi) who asserted that the pre Christians were responsible for slow roasting . When Walt and I mentioned just a few where the church had instituted slowroasting torture pursuant to some odious rules of the Church invested during the REconquista and Inquisition(s). SO now you want to know "Whats yer point??" get yer head outta yer ass and try to follow your own lines of thought ANUS.

Your not worth the spit on a pitch.

You do have to admit he was the one who brought this up or at least started it rolling and I will learn something. "At least I hope to!

I can not say that I will have it figured out in the end but I will have different point of views on the subject matter!

When I am allocating bad behaviour I dont blame a type of people...I blame the people who did it and try to determine how it can be prevented . But given human nature, I am certain it will happen again just through a different cause . So why blame religion ?

The video, i think, makes the point that the individual is never going to be right, that it is only through collective wisdom that we can hope to progress . Nature thinks the same thing . Individuals are throw away, it is the group that must function effectively...and if it doesn't, it will be thrown away too .