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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 03:53 pm
@plainoldme,
I just can not picture Ionus being the la la guy in la la land!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUaYbfKZIiA
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 04:32 pm
@plainoldme,
Try to remember your opinion is delusional and self importance is no importance .
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 04:38 pm
@spendius,
Spendius just kidding around with you!

Here is something that might cheer you up! One of these babies preaches evolution the way you like it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI7VE6t8GD0&feature=relmfu
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 04:52 pm
@farmerman,
Almost as stupid as an average Geologist thinking he is knowledgeable on Theology, Psychology, Sociology, Biology and History enough to recommend a future for mankind .
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 04:54 pm
@spendius,
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By heck girl you are one thick person.
I have read others say that and I thought it was a bit harsh, but having read more of what she writes, I have to agree . pom really understands very little .
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 05:34 pm
@Ionus,
waaay brighter than you ANUS
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 05:49 pm
@farmerman,
Somehow I doubt that, Gomer the Turd .
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 06:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
It said ---"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."

So much for the free exchange of information. Was it as good as some videos I could put on showing babes preaching evolution the way I like it?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 09:08 am
TEXAS UPDATE
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Arlington lawmaker's bill would protect questioners of evolution
(By Aman Batheja, Arlington Star-Telegram, March 17, 2011)

An Arlington lawmaker has filed a bill aimed at protecting Texas college professors and students from discrimination because they question evolution.

The measure from Republican state Rep. Bill Zedler would block higher education institutions from discriminating against or penalizing teachers or students based on their research into intelligent design or other theories that disagree with evolution.

Zedler said he filed the bill because of cases in which colleges had been hostile to those who believe that certain features of life-forms are so complex that they must have originated from a higher power.

"We can have the academic freedom to have all kinds of ideas and philosophies but, lo and behold, even mention intelligent design and there are people that want to run you out of town on a rail," Zedler said.

Zedler said fear of workplace discrimination is preventing evolution critics in colleges from speaking their minds.

"I do believe there are people that want to say something but ... they're afraid to because there are people around the country that have been discriminated against," Zedler said.

Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, a watchdog group that opposes religious influence in public education, described the bill as an effort to push an ideological agenda into colleges by suggesting that intelligent design theorists are subject to persecution.

"It's kind of a broad and cynical strategy to undermine sound science at a time when our state and nation's economy depends on science to thrive," Miller said.

In January, the University of Kentucky paid $125,000 to settle a discrimination lawsuit with Martin Gaskell, an astronomy professor who claimed that he was passed over for an observatory director job in part because of statements he made that were perceived as critical of evolution.

Gaskell, who recently worked in the University of Texas at Austin's astronomy program, wrote in an e-mail Thursday that he is now an astrophysics professor at Valparaiso University in Chile. Although he doesn't study intelligent design, he said those who do deserve to be protected.

"I think that it is important that the state of Texas stands firmly behind academic freedom," Gaskell said.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 10:50 am
@wandeljw,
YA know, I cant figure out how someone associated with a large University would even make the dumass statements about ID being a valid science. That is the pinnacle of depraved ignorance.
Ican accept gunga, because hes got an agenda that requires him to know nothing. But at a University, surrounded by the biology dept, the geology depts, and chemistry, and even geography. How and the hyell does one walk around with ones head up their asses as a career move?

When I was teaching, I used to keep scads of seminar topics that were being offered within many diff departments. I would attend many of these just for grins.

I learned so much about the Pre RAphealites at Princeton that I felt like I could win bets at a bar room.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 10:55 am
@farmerman,
farmerman, As most of us are aware, knowledge in one area of study does not make them universally intelligent in other subjects. PhD's have no meaning when they show their ignorance about most areas of science.

Let's face it; religion is a poor substitute for actual knowledge in any subject matter.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 11:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yeh , but a university is a small town and everyones research and study is usually known by others. (ALthough we may not even understand what they are doing).
NO I cant buy the specialized "Ignorance" excuse for protecting college instructors. I feel, (cynical me) that these IDers come into the arena of a college, pwerfectly assured of their missions and there to pick fights for "Souls".
The IDSesr are the ones who are really cynical because they know what they are doing and the politicians are usually a bunch of rubes who were friendly enough to get elected.
Its not like the US Congress where we have all sorts of professions (besides l;awyers), most state l;egislatures are part time functions open to plenty of back home lobbying.

Our own local state legislator is always under pressure from special interest groups,among which are several Evangelical Fundamental churches who DEMAND (under pain of voter displeasure), that their POVs be given serious considerations in committee. There are several standing committees in the PA legislature where such crap goes to die in discussion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 11:07 am
@farmerman,
That's because they are covered in the same cloth of religion; it's not surprising that they are involved in our schools and politics. They are out to save our souls - no matter what the cost to the rest of society's intellectual growth.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
wow, you are more militant than I. I often have to act like I really am showing major concern for a Fundamentalists demands (in the 2001 Pa ed hearings). It would be unfair to speak up and say to some of these guys
"WAht are you nutz? Do you realize that this aint the Dark AGes anymore?"
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 12:14 pm
@farmerman,
I've had religion pounded into me since a young child, and have seen how it has affected my relationship with my siblings who are all christians married to christians. I married a buddhist. I doubt the twain shall ever meet.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 12:33 pm
@farmerman,
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Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, a watchdog group that opposes religious influence in public education, described the bill as an effort to push an ideological agenda into colleges by suggesting that intelligent design theorists are subject to persecution.


The persecution is right here--

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YA know, I cant figure out how someone associated with a large University would even make the dumass statements about ID being a valid science. That is the pinnacle of depraved ignorance.


Tanslated into ordinary language that means they should be fired and the universities, colleges and schools be the strict preserve of scientific materialists. That's persecution goodstyle. How can dumasses at the pinnacle of depraved ignorance be anything other than garbage collectors, crossing sweepers and road menders? And fm's statement goes much further than "suggesting". It asserts it.

That fm thinks such assertions are arguments in important public affairs not only disqualifies him from being anywhere near the educational process but disqualifies him also from intelligent company.

And here's another we are supposed to take on trust--

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I learned so much about the Pre RAphealites at Princeton that I felt like I could win bets at a bar room.


Oh yeah. Not in a bar room I was in he couldn't. I know that he doesn't even know what pre-Raphealite means. He has that on Ignore for personal reasons.

Notice his choice of subjects. Carefully chosen to meet his argument round the back up his own ass. And he fails to mention that there is science in biology relating to states of mind. Which involve chemistry. And he has been told often enough. But again that's on Ignore.

What is somebody doing telling institutions of higher learning how to conduct their affairs who jumps down the Ignore hole everytime something startles him.

Of course he can accept gunga. And we all know why. He thinks he can manage him which must be easy for him if gunga "knows nothing".

And just take a good look at his fatuous English. It's abysmal. It really is. It would insult the intelligence of viewers here to explain why because an epsilon semi-moron couldn't avoid it.

And fancy not being able to figure out something that's happening all over the educational network. And presenting the incapacity as a sign of intellectual excellence. Ye Gods.

One does have to wonder why no intelligent anti-IDer has come on here to debate with gunga and myself. I can present the anti-ID case far better than anybody I've seen on here do. Really!

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I would attend many of these just for grins.


That says it all. Going out of your way to find something to jeer at and with no intention to learn anything. Your mind blanked off by the desire to jeer.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 12:44 pm
@wandeljw,
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"It's kind of a broad and cynical strategy to undermine sound science at a time when our state and nation's economy depends on science to thrive," Miller said.


What does science depend on to thrive. It certainly isn't scientists. They would be lost fending for themselves.

These people are as self-centred as it gets. No wonder they talk about head-up-arse situations. It's their normal posture.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 12:47 pm
@spendius,
Science only needs to provide facts about our environment; it thrives on its own based on curiosity and evidence.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 12:48 pm
@farmerman,
So now all you need do to get elected is act the friendly rube part.

fm must talk to his lambs and take their wagging tails as agreement.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 12:51 pm
@spendius,
spendi, The only thing waggling is the clicking sound in your brain. A couple of the nuts and bolts are loose.
 

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