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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 08:47 am
@Ionus,
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Where is your sandwich board ?


Where is your originality?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 08:49 am
@plainoldme,
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Where is your originality?
I use it when required . Like my penis it is not for display at all times, lest I be thought of as trying too hard . But do tell us how the sandwich board is your little idea all by your little old self .....
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 08:49 am
@Ionus,
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You really dont understand Spendi because you start off with hate .


A baseless conclusion. I understand spendi as well as anyone who actually can read, write and reason can. Spendi writes gobbledegook. My job is to help people communicate. Spendi's aim is try to convince people he is erudite when he isn't. Spendi operates on the level of a 12 or 13 year old.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 08:51 am
@plainoldme,
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A baseless conclusion.
And I am sure someone somewhere will believe you.... Laughing
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 08:55 am
@plainoldme,
Your quote: Spendi operates on the level of a 12 or 13 year old.

Maybe this explains why women are always on his mind, It must be like a state of puberty that never quits!
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 08:55 am
I glanced over the posts from the past two days. Farmerman and I discussed what is wrong with education and offer some suggestions. Wandeljw posted a body of material analyzing the problem much as a student would research a question in any number of college classes. Reasoning Logic attempted to mediate and soothe over feelings. Ionus contributed nothing. Spendi used the Thesaurus.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 09:33 am
Again for anybody who may have missed it... Evolution and evoloserism are about lifestyles and not about science.

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 09:47 am
What a loon.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 09:59 am
Paul Goodman wrote--

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When, at a meeting, I offer that perhaps we already have too much formal schooling and that, under present conditions, the more we get the less education we will get, the others look at me oddly and proceed to discuss how to get more money for schools and how to upgrade the schools. I realize suddenly that I am confronting a mass superstition.


They put him on Ignore he means. Standard practice for the insecure. They are all for the truth, critical thinking, logical analysis, empirical objectivity and scientific dialectic but they "don't wish to hear that".

The superstition is, of course, that education can only be achieved in institutionalised schools and that teaching results in learning. Both completely barmy propositions and easily shown to be so. Learning being, of course, what you don't forget. What you can't forget.

The lie is that the others, of the type we have on here, saying that the money and the upgrading is for the schools when in actual fact it is for themselves. They have not the slightest interest in the schools or in education.

I'm looked at oddly permanently. Those who do so know full well that they daren't concede me one inch because their superstitious edifice, on which their self esteem, and possibly their prospects, are built, would collapse in a heap of dust. They are fully sold out to the Promethean fallacy and we will all end up like Prometheus if we take any notice of their self-flattering and self-aggrandising schemes.

For all education is involved in their schemes they might as well set courses and examinations on rote learning sections of the telephone directory and if their cosy conspiracy, which they have sold with assertions (executive truths similar to Saddam having WMD deliverable in 40 minutes) is properly functioning their certificates will be exchangeable for money and status and they will have a bunch of fawning students grovelling at their feet simply for deciding which grade learns the A-D sections or the T-Z ones and handing out the funny money. And not a student being able to remember anything of the telephone directory a week after the exam. As long as they have the permit to charge higher rates for their precious time than nurses, soldiers and garbage collectors is all anybody cares about. Education isn't in the frame.

It is an iron law of bureaucracies that members of it are ambitious of avoiding as much contact as possible with the clients. Just as a senior general doesn't shoot at the enemy, a senior social worker doesn't interview the grubby deadbeats, a senior priest doesn't hear hoi polloi confessions, a senior policeman doesn't arrest people, it follows, as night follows day, that senior educators don't educate.

Anti-IDers are either trying to climb the greasy pole by having the kids on Ignore or are having a vicarious fantasy, a virtuous one naturally, along those lines. Talking about education being posher and more fruitful that doing any educating.

It's religious to its very core. It's a mass superstition alright. It's a bloody bare-assed con if you want the truth as you all claim to do.

You're the biggest bunch of phonies I've ever encountered in one place. You're talking through your pockets or you have swallowed the bullshit of somebody who is. The latter is the definition of "dupe".
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 10:16 am
@plainoldme,
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Spendi operates on the level of a 12 or 13 year old.


Gee!! The speed I'm moving is astounding. It's not a week when I was at the 5 year old stage and already I've got to 13. At this rate I'll be nearly as old as Noah by next Christmas.

Actually the difference between a 12 year old and a 13 year old is, on average, a substantial one. Not being able to differentiate the two is a mark of ignorance. I hadn't come across Rider Haggard at 12. I had a 13. And that's a mighty leap.
Not as great as the difference often is for girls mind you.

pom's remark is merely a minor ritual in the one of the many ceremonies dedicated to promoting the superstition I referred to in my last post. From the repetitive nature of such things they might usefully be compared with the telling of rosary beads. Or making the sign of the cross.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 10:18 am
@reasoning logic,
I smiled broadly when I read your statement because his obsession with women crossed my mind as well.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 10:19 am
@gungasnake,
You continually amaze but the word amaze is not meant as a compliment.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 10:19 am
@spendius,
Don't compare yourself to Paul Goodman.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 10:22 am
@reasoning logic,
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Maybe this explains why women are always on his mind, It must be like a state of puberty that never quits!


That's quite neat. I like it. Maturity is deadly. "He not busy being born is busy diiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeengggg."

"I'm going to have to go to college,
You are the book of knowledge,
Rita May."

I suppose that transcending the "state of puberty" is when you think Rita has nothing left to teach. Serious misogyny.

Thanks rl. Nicest compliment I've had recently. Are you impotent yet?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 10:40 am
@farmerman,
It is a word that I use loosely referring to our central nervous system (brain and spinal cord), the peripheral nervous system, or the autonomic nervous system.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/nepal/lhamu.html
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 11:05 am
@plainoldme,
you can always count on the gunga to ahve nothing substantive to say about anythiong . Hes content merely shouting his baseless crap and never learning anything. That would violate his Fundamental religious beliefs.

I always wonder how anyone so ill equipped in any natural science and so ignorant of its quantitative methods can be so full of themselves?

He has no idea how stupid he sounds.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 11:13 am
@reasoning logic,
OK, I got your direction. I kept thinking that you were referring to some kind of defect or neuropathology.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 11:28 am
@plainoldme,
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BTW, in parochial school, we did sentence diagramming beginning in the third grade. A large number of my classmates went on to become journalists and authors and I owe that to our early training. I vividly remember a paragraph I wrote then that Sister Thomasine thought was "babyish" which would have been acceptable . . . no, make that welcome . . . as a beginning developmental (remedial) writing assignment.

Ill reserve any final decisions but, I think that learning a foreign language is equally instructive in reinforcing our skills in our mother tongue.
I have several friends who are journalists, One is my age (he just turned 60) and another is about 10 years younger. The older one ios also a known author and hes opinionated aboput education as I am. (He is a major supporter of the liberal arts )


Having a running battle with the three trolls is a thankless task. They only want attention, and gunga has no idea what builds facts and truth . (Not that the other two have any clues either)
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 12:06 pm
@spendius,
YES
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2011 12:10 pm
@plainoldme,
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Don't compare yourself to Paul Goodman.


By heck girl you are one thick person.

Are you saying anybody on here who quotes someone is comparing themselves to the person? Sheesh almighty!! wands quotes Popper every post. ci. quotes Einstein.

Is it just me being singled out? If so your "baseless conclusion" was worse than a baseless assertion. Who lets you go near students? Is it for pin money? Some jobsworth malarkey. If it's your qualifications then somebody is handing out certificates like bloody confetti. I explained the reasons earlier.

That's the trouble with confetti certificates. They go to the recipient's head and they forget they were confetti and become a stick to beat some plunder out of whatever it can be beaten out of. A bunch of innocent students are a pretty good target.
 

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