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@Setanta,

I just wish that each writer could cobble together their "*500 word article" without cyclic exhumations of Copernicus or Bishop Ussher. I think that some speculation that each of these attempts at "critical thinking" will be stomped in court because they reflect a special limited view that anti-evolution "critical thinking" is bprne out of Fundamental Christianity and so will go down in defeat but only after the expenditure of our public money to chalenge the law. What are the IDers looking to run everyone down so that they win by sheer exhaustion? I dont think thats gonna happen.

So now we have a "critical thinking" phrase that is driving the ID bus . Are we going to have to fight these idiots phrase by phrqse?

I hope that some reasonab;y enlightened judge can just slam a summary judgement against the IDers and let it go back into their court as to whether to go highre. Remember, they gave up at Dover bewcause they
!. Ran out of resources

2 Ran out of ideas(They only had one bullet in the chamber while the judge handled them during his Christmas fishing trips.)

It would be a correct bit of karma here in Tenn because the Butler act was not repudiated

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@spendius,

The day that the church stops preaching absolutes as if they have empirical facts about creation and so forth is the day I might attend and approve of their teachings!

Would this not be the day that the church first spoke the truth?

Is it not possible that you me and the church can get things wrong at times?
Is this not where we begin to find truth in recognizing that we all have traits of OCPD caused by confirmation biases and so forth?

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@Setanta,

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It's good to see the sane people in these states speaking up for science and a good educational system.

Do you really think there is a link between atheism and sanity ? You have an atheist here who believes in the Flying Spaghetti monster .

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@Ionus,

I believe in the Flying Spaghetti monster, "I seen a picture of one!

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

What are the IDers looking to run everyone down so that they win by sheer exhaustion?

I wouldn't be surprised. Wars have been won by attrition.

farmerman wrote:

Are we going to have to fight these idiots phrase by phrqse?

Probably.

They can only play the cards they have. Even though their hand is just a bluff, I expect they will play it in every penny ante game (local jurisdictions) they can get.

They need to avoid "Dover like" trials with big visibility. They are better off nipping at the heals of every local school board and classroom they can find. And that's exactly what they are doing.

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@rosborne979,

Actually, they call it "verse by verse." LOL

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@rosborne979,

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They need to avoid "Dover like" trials with big visibility. They are better off nipping at the heals of every local school board and classroom they can find. And that's exactly what they are doing

Every time they adopt such Local rules (and in the case of Tenn, at the state level) It will draw them into a court fight. SOmeone merely has to object and the court (State and Fed districts) In Pa, , at Dover, it was a locally adopted rule that had to be tried under both state and Fed Constitutional guidelines.I would imagine it will be the same in TEnn, unless the Tenn Constitution is silent on all this. (PAs wasnt)

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@farmerman,

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they reflect a special limited view that anti-evolution "critical thinking" is bprne out of Fundamental Christianity

And what is Fundamental Christianity born out of if not the need to get organised properly? You arrest the chain of cause at the point you choose to suit your subjectivity which basically originates in carnality. That's why science is not your subject and you flag the truth of that up goodstyle with that remark. FC is not a causeless cause.

Ladies' fashions are born out of a need to waste men's money eh? What's the need to waste men's money born out of?

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@reasoning logic,

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Would this not be the day that the church first spoke the truth?

Stay well clear of truth rl. It can fry your brain.

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@farmerman,

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Ran out of ideas.

Straw man. They might have run out of ideas they were comfortable with in an open court with ladies present but that's a long way from having run out of ideas full stop.

An educational system is in the business of creating minds. Judge Jones either forgot that or didn't know it. If he did know it his verdict was profoundly cynical. He treated the matters he is highly paid to study as if the creation of minds is not a consideration in regard to a national system which has no other purpose.

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Are we going to have to fight these idiots phrase by phrqse?

Inch by inch. Phrases are neither here nor there as fm's posts prove.

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ILLINOIS UPDATE

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Dist. 128 investigating creationism claims at Libertyville High School
(By Russell Lissau, The Daily Herald, March 2, 2011)

School district officials are investigating if a Libertyville High science instructor is teaching creationism in class.

“We are looking into it as we speak,” Libertyville-Vernon Hills Area High School District 128 spokeswoman Mary Todoric said Tuesday.

The inquiry followed remarks by Buffalo Grove activist Rob Sherman at Monday’s school board session. During a portion of the meeting reserved for public comments, Sherman told the panel he’d been contacted by a Libertyville High student who was concerned the teacher is stressing creationism in his lessons.

Sherman — an atheist who has crusaded for the constitutionally enforced separation of religion and government — quoted documents he said were classroom materials that asked students to compare the stances supporters of creationism and supporters of evolution would take on certain scientific matters.

Creationism is the belief that God created the universe and humankind, typically as described in the Bible’s Book of Genesis. Evolution is the scientific theory, widely credited to 19th century naturalist Charles Darwin, that man and other life-forms evolved from lesser species over the millennia.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled public school teachers cannot teach creationism alongside evolution in science classes because it would serve as an endorsement of religion or a particular religious belief.

Sherman asked the board to investigate the student’s claims. If true, he suggested a new teacher be put in the classroom so the students can “unlearn” what they have been taught.

The teacher — a 22-year District 128 veteran — was absent from school Tuesday, but not because of this issue, Todoric said. Officials plan to speak with the teacher and supervisors about the matter.

The issue has arisen elsewhere in Lake County recently. In interviews with the Daily Herald, several candidates for the Lake Zurich Unit District 95 school board and the Fremont Elementary District 79 school board, including some incumbents, have said schools should teach creationism in science classes.

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@wandeljw,

Gee!! What is being complained about is what we are doing on here: namely, " comparing the stances supporters of creationism and supporters of evolution would take on certain scientific matters." Whether Mr Sherman is tailoring what " certain scientific matters" are, as anti-IDers do on here the whole of the time, I don't know, but I would be very surprised if he isn't.

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Sherman told the panel he’d been contacted by a Libertyville High student who was concerned the teacher is stressing creationism in his lessons.

It would be interesting to know the details of that "contacted". Whether Mr Sherman was contacted out of the blue or whether the event had been staged as in a sting operation.

And the article doesn't say what sort of science class the teacher was taking or, indeed, if it was a science class at all. And odd omission really.

I presume Libertyville is the one in suburban Chicago with a population of a 22, ooo. A large village here. Or very small town.

In this very narrow setting we have one activist atheist firing up a kid because he is concerned that a teacher is stressing creationism in his classrooms and we are presented with no evidence to show that he was.

You're clutching at straws wande and on an international science forum it's pathetic.

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@spendius,

What I can't understand is why evolutionists are not prepared to allow the teaching of evolution in schools to evolve. After all, Christianity evolved.

Evolution being nature's way of choosing the best adaptations to the circumstances. It is anti-IDers who are anti-evolution in fact. The "One-Man-Band-Creator" with his game-changers spinning around in his noodle and guaranteed to be some variation on pushing his boat out. In a hurry. If the forces of evolution choose evolution to be taught to everybody it will come. It will be up its own arse talking to itself. Psychoanalising itself so to speak. Self-awareness on the top pressure mark. It would be artificial to rush it. Control freakery for control freaks in the service of creating a world of control freakery. And you have to be a control freak to rush a natural process.

Your posts are incoherent.

As if you're going to sprout wings by wishing to, as Lamarck had suggested. Besoins I think the word was.

You are scared of arguing that the circumstances have changed rapidly and thus a rapid adaptive reaction is required. One might take such an argument seriously.

You argue endlessly against some thing and never for what you want. And don't try the American science will suffer tripe. I watched the Shuttle launch and that makes such an argument look stupid. And I've heard plenty of stories about villages in Pakistan being bombed from a bunker in the US. Science is in your bloodstream. They have your tastes buds all on charts in flavour blending industrial units. Fine tuned to the snobbery hierarchy. Your sense of beauty is calibrated. If ever you want a really good laughing session go to a beta minus wine tasting evening.

Nah!! I'm not having it. You just want to make pre-marital sex, artificial birth control mechanics and chemistry, adultery, divorce, homosexuality, or abortion all hunky-dory. I don't think you have the brains or the nerve to want eugenics. But if I know science eugenics will come with the package.

That's your real agenda. General all round promiscuity designed by a committee of control freaks.

And when you have made all those things hunky-dory they will be boring and Media-corps will have nothing juicy to tempt you with. Not a knicker sniffing Vicar in sight.

You're evolutionists when you wannabee. I've got your number. That's why I'm on Ignore a lot.

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Spendi addressed his last post to himself. Smile

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@wandeljw,

That's just another well-tried method of getting out of the door having the last word wande. A bit more well known than the strokes the Daily Herald produced.

I've known you are all anti-evolutionists from the beginning.

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@wandeljw,

he just wants to make sure that everyone who's listening to him is paying close attention.

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@spendius,

It's interesting that you can use such words as "last word out the door." Evil or Very Mad

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@farmerman,

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he just wants to make sure that everyone who's listening to him is paying close attention.

I certainly do. Does fm not? He's looped the ******* loop. Anybody who won't knuckle under to fm's tripe is seeking close attention and his side isn't. He's in a narcissism jag that beggars belief on a science forum.

How about him answering the post? That he thinks he has, or that ci. has, is off the meds goodstyle.

Kremlin style walls are what you lot want.

Critical thinking is the very last thing fm has ever engaged in.

He's as anti-evolution as it is possible to get. Along with the rest of his fawning claque. He thinks his committee can organise the future.

A "One-Man-Band-Creator". A neat phrase for the battle of the phrases.

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@spendius,

At last farmerman completed his loop, whereas, you're still on that merry-go-round.

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@cicerone imposter,

And I'm staying on it.

I don't think fm will be very pleased at you saying he has completed the loop. That's what I've been saying. Everything he says, and you others, is self-referencing. The glitter words are designed to disguise the fact. You all start with A and everything you say is to prop up A.

Have you nothing but cheap shots to answer the post? If you had a proper answer you would give it. So the cheap shots prove its validity.

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