Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

It's self-referencing, because that was science is; it seeks and finds facts. Do you have any question that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, or do you believe in the fairy tale that it's 7,000 years old?

I look in on this thread once in awhile. . . after I see that someone sensible and intelligent and able to write well, like Farmerman, has posted.

I have no idea why anyone continues to joust with the likes of spendius and ionus or whatever their nom d'emails are. Why bother?

That's not self referencing. You don't understand tautology ci.

I have read many times that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. I wouldn't know myself. And I don't know if the 7,000 years should be taken literally. Naming the earth might well be 7,000 years old and until it is named it has no existence in language or consciousness.

Your fundamental position is an objection to being "one to whom it is done". And you argue that everybody should also object but you have no vision of what the result would be and there was nobody left "to whom it is done" which gets you to everybody being "ones who do". Chaos in other words.

Out of control, universal egotism. Observably happening.

'Scuse me while I have a tiiter.

They do bother very plainoldme. Are you critisising them for doing so?

You're completely out of your depth on here.

spendi, Do you stutter in your writing? LOL

So you aren't conscious of your surroundings unless you can name everything? And if you can't name it then it doesn't exist?

Consciousness doesn't require language spendi. Nor does language equate with being conscious.
Observe the following...

What would the earth be to someone who was oblivious to it? What was the earth 4.5 billion years ago? What was it 4.0005 billion years ago?

What has it got to do with creating minds for the future? What do you get out of "knowing" the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Can you butter parsnips with that info? Do you want your parsnips buttering?

Explain to very plainoldme why you bother.

What on earth could learning about the past possibly have to do with the future? You sound like Charley Sheen now.

I can't butter parsnips with religion. Can you? So why on earth should we be concerned with religion since you want to place the priorities on parsnips.

Without Christianity para there would be no parsnips to butter and you wouldn't be able to afford either if there were.

You think that when you're buttering parsnips there's nothing else to it. Like when a lady switches a light on. She thinks she knows how to switch the light on. It's a convenience that she doesn't have to think how the feat is achieved but if she did she would never get any dusting done. And that's no good now is it? The lady who rubbed two sticks together to get the lights on at least knew something about how it is made possible. The modern lady is probably unaware that she is switching it on most of the time.

I can't really see what you're getting at. You must not have done history the way I do it. The only true way Braudel said.

Says you...
And yet... the Chinese have been buttering Parsnips for long before Christ.
The same with the Egyptians, the Jews, the Greeks, the Romans, the Celts, and on and on. Christianity really has little to do with parsnips or butter.

You missed the point para. I said you wouldn't be able to afford them. I know the bigwigs might have had buttered parsnips and I can tell by your posts that you're not a bigwig. You would have been on dried crusts at best. Water from the pump. And look at you now. The ice-cream man sprinkles hundreds and thousands on your cornet top for 30 cents inc, ice-cream, cornet and distribution costs. Man you really do know how to look a gift-horse in the mouth. You can even insult the President.

You're a snob too. All you know about the peoples of the past is what the toffs did. They've never made a movie yet about the lifestyle of people such as you in ancient societies. It's always the "country-house" set. Setanta is bought into that stuff hook, line and sinker. And without even knowing that the records might have been, or been since, all "prettied up" by one side or another.

Christianity might not have much to do with the process of buttering parsnips but it has a lot to do with you being able to butter them anytime you choose. I don't care for the dish myself.

I think you are missing something about history Spendi.

Christianity has been around for 2000 years and yet the little men couldn't afford parsnips and butter for much of that time. When did the little man start to be able to afford parsnips and butter? Tiny Tim certainly didn't have parsnips. If you look realistically it appears the Tiny Tim's of the world didn't get parsnips until after Darwin.

Rome wasn't built in a day but you have them now. I can't see why you bother about anything else. And don't get teleological about Darwin. There's two world wars after Darwin besides numerous lesser skirmishes. The compassion for the "little man" does not exist in Darwin's view of life. In fact he justified there being none at all.

Do you want everyone to join you in ignorance ? Arent you happy ? Do you need someone to keep you company ?

OMG ! plainoldme is your REAL name ??

By God you have been taking brain enhancement drugs ! Thats exactly correct . Tell me about one thing that exists that you cant name . Tell me about one thing that doesnt exist that you have a name for .....

Perhaps an example will be forthcoming from you ?

You type when you are unconscious ?

So, when did parsnips become a sacrament?

hey, you're the one on the wrong track.

hey, you're the one on the wrong track.

That's how pointless such remarks are. It is a gross insult to A2K to stoop to such banalities. That you are obviously habituated to that sort of thing speaks volumes for the social circles you mix in. In fact, when tactics like that are normal there is no social circle at all but a mere pretence of one.

On the matter of judges and the wisdom of their decisions.

The USSC has just voted 8 to 1 (Judge Alito dissenting) that ignorant, attention-seeking trouble-makers are legally entitled to picket and chant insults at the funerals of dead soldiers and are thus entitled to the protection of the police as they do so.

Goodness gracious!!!