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@Setanta,

What! No controversies in creation?

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@Setanta,

It is agreed that evolution is not scientifically controversial within its own frame of reference. It is within other scientific frames of reference that it is controversial.

Why can't Setanta understand that simple point? I have made it often enough and nobody has offered an explanation to the contrary. Why does Setanta, and other anti-IDers on here, have these other sciences on Ignore?

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@farmerman,

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Ignore is an important feature to free the discussion of petulant and self centered trolling.

What fm means is freeing the discussion of anybody who offers arguments he has no answer to. Calling them "petulant and self centered trolling" is a self-serving assertion.

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Obviously those ignored would try to convinvce others that the one who is ignoring is being childish.

In a debate between intelligent grown-ups there is no need to convince any one that the one who is ignoring is being childish. It is a simple and obvious fact.

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ACtually by maintaining intellectual curiosity and civility in a debate is probably the best way to NOT be ignored.

I think I can claim that I have maintained a degree of intellectual curiosity and civility and I am on Ignore by some who are unable to accept that their doing that ACtually disqualifies them from being at the table with dignity.

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But several of the correspondents dont get it and they demand their "face time" even though theor attempts at argument are wholly insufficient and mostly gasconades of self abuse.

What a silly and profoundly ladylike expostulation. All it means is that anybody who stands up to anti-IDers on behalf of the 90%, or so, who are not anti-IDers, don't get it (whatever that is) and are demanding their "face time" (being an active member of A2K), and even worse than that their arguments are wholly insufficient and mostly gasconades of self abuse.

Anybody who thinks that the paragraph quoted means anything outside fm's noddle should get some remedial English comprehension rehab.

Absolute and utter piffle fm. Not the slightest sign of a scientific sensibility in any part of it. I'm amazed you have ever been allowed near any students. One supposes that anti-IDers do get it, are not demanding their share of "face time" and that their arguments are wholly sufficient and the very essence of self effacing wisdom.

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Im trying to hold on to a decent discussion with you but it gets difficult when statements like that seem to make sense to you.

What that means Io is that fm seeks to draw you into his confidence and keep me isolated.

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@wandeljw,

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Newton said. “They’re not controversies recognized by any practicing scientists.”

That is not true and Mr Newton must know it. Which calls into question everything else he says and which we have all heard many times before. Prof Dawkins is not charging from gig to gig on the basis of their nor being any controversy. In fact the controversy is his bread and butter.

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@wandeljw,

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Kern said the legislation is meant to promote discussion in the classroom by opening up alternative theories.

Actually its meant to stifle good science by the weight of public opinion from the uneducated. To actually entertain a discussion about Creation v abiogenesis or Intelligent design v common ancestry woulod be ridiculous. The terrorists would have won and we would become Turkey.

When evidence is cast away as dubious information in favor of fairy tales, then the world" turned upside down.

"Well today students we are going to doiscuss the age of the earth and the various scientific discoveries which have grown out of th evidence package that has calculated the earths age to be about 4.58 Billion years old"

"However, in a ll fairness, we must wasaate time and discuss the Biblical calculation of the age of the earth based upon the cumulative ages of the patriarchs of the Penteteuch"

Might as well just kiss off any budding young US scientists winning the GE prize for science and engineering. Theyll all be busy trying to unlearn the myths of Noah .

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@farmerman,

Noah begat a problem...

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@farmerman,

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Actually its meant to stifle good science by the weight of public opinion from the uneducated.

There you go folks. The authentic cry of the elite totalitarian. One wonders why fm doesn't call for the "uneducated" to be disenfranchised.

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The terrorists would have won and we would become Turkey.

According to polls I have seen that makes 90% of Americans terrorists. And the threat of disintegration is straight out of the Mubarak phrase book.

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When evidence is cast away as dubious information in favor of fairy tales, then the world" turned upside down.

So the world has been upside down for centuries. The industrial and scientific revolutions were made by an upside-down world of uneducated terrorists. By "evidence" fm means that self-referential evidence which is valid precisely because it is circular and which limits science to fm's chosen parameters which begin and end in sedimentary rock formations containing residues of long dead life none of which bear anything but a passable resemblance to anything of those lives as they were lived except the skeletal vestiges and which have nothing to teach us about the foreseeable future of social organisation which is what an educational system exists to prepare us for.

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"However, in a ll fairness, we must wasaate time and discuss the Biblical calculation of the age of the earth based upon the cumulative ages of the patriarchs of the Penteteuch"

Only a few headbangers ever bother about such things.

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Might as well just kiss off any budding young US scientists winning the GE prize for science and engineering.

That's about as unlikely as the CIA Chief's "likely" earlier today.

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Theyll all be busy trying to unlearn the myths of Noah .

I analysed those myths a few days ago but fm has me on Ignore so that he can continue making statements like that until the end without looking to left or right.

fm just keeps on trying to prove evolution over and over again despite nobody disputing it and it being beside the point in the matter of mass education.

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@spendius,

"totalitarian?" ROFLAMO Mr. Green

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@spendius,

What are "other scientific frames of reference?"
Which "other sciences" are on "ignore?"

Laughing

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I would suggest they have two science classed, one being as per taught now and the other an intelligent design science class, let pupils decide which one they want to learn.

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@tenderfoot,

We all know which class Spendius would attend! "The one that is more faith based because you know how much faith that it requires to use the scientific method.

I bet it would take no time at all before we would find noah's ark

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@cicerone imposter,

You can ROTFLYAO as much as you want ci. but I would bet that fm's definition of uneducated would cover your case.

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@failures art,

You should keep up on threads you wish to take part in fa. I have put the other scientific frames of reference in many a post. It is bad manners to peep through a window of a sudden and shout your blurts.

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@reasoning logic,

I found Noah's Ark for you all the other day rl. Is it might fault if it was beyond your wits? Why don't you look it up and then comment on what I said?

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@rosborne979,

I ask you to name one and you say any.

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And since human culture is unique to humans, those behavioral benefits are also unique to humans.

So enlighten me and tell me one.

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Compassion and empathy.

You haven't explained anything, you have thrown us a title. We are at the same place because you cant go to any depth in your explanation.

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@spendius,

spendi wrote:

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Is it might fault if it was beyond your wits?

You must limit your drinks to two beers, spendi. You get English all confused.

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@Ionus,

Asking ros to go to any depth is like asking a well trained dog to stop wagging its tail when you hold a dog biscuit out in front of it.

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@farmerman,

I don't think ignore is used against trolls, I think it is used against people who disagree and the ignorer doesn't have the patience or the skill to continue the debate, despite that being the whole purpose of being here. We feel threatened if people don't have the same views. It is related to the -isms : racism sexism, etc.

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Do you realize how silly this even sounds?

That is because you cant or wont look at the problem to any depth. I ask why do we do things and you answer "because". If you don't know, say so.

I ask again : " If a person believes in evolution and doesn't believe in God, why wouldn't they take advantage of anyone and everyone they could ? It is survival of the fittest, not survival of the nicest. Obviously there is a contradiction in believing in evolution as correct and failing to carry it out for the survival of one's own genetics.

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@spendius,

I must have missed that Spendius where you found Noah's Ark.

Would you please post a link to that post and some photos?

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Twit.

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