Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

Sorry that was for Ioarse.

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@farmerman,

Anyone who thinks evolution explains everything about how life has evolved I put in the same category as anyone who thinks the Bible is literally true, word for word.

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@cicerone imposter,

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"totalitarian?" ROFLAMO

Thats exactly the first reaction one would expect from a totalitarian.

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@failures art,

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What are "other scientific frames of reference?"
Which "other sciences" are on "ignore?"

You are either new here or have selective reading skills. I have mentioned them at least twice.

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@tenderfoot,

Not a bad idea.....you don't need evolution to be a chemist or many other sciences.

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@tenderfoot,

That may be a good Idea but I would take it one step farther and make it a requirement that they pass both classes. I could not see how they would not turn out to be critical thinkers.

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@Ionus,

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Anyone who thinks evolution explains everything about how life has evolved I put in the same category as anyone who thinks the Bible is literally true, word for word.

Well, thats the reason that I dont call you up for advice in science.

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Anyone who thinks evolution explains everything about how life has evolved

DAYUMM, I found me another bumper sticker. You pullin on the same bottle as spendi?

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@tenderfoot,

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Twit.

Your best post yet, though of typical inaccuracy. You see how much better you do when you leave out all those complex word thingys ?

Useless git.

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@Ionus,

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you don't need evolution to be a chemist or many other sciences

I feel that We are in the presence of genius.

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@farmerman,

Are you seriously suggesting evolution has answered every problem as to how life has evolved ? And you have the gall to argue atheism is not a religion. You are totally faithful to every letter.

How did life come from pre-biotic chemicals ?
Why do cells band together ?
How do species transfer information to their own DNA so it can be passed on in reproduction ?
How did budding evolve into the first sexual reproduction ?
How did self awareness evolve?

If you can answer any of these questions then clearly you need to tour the lecture circuit because they are very real problems that experts, not amateurs in these fields like yourself, have been working on and continue to debate.

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You pullin on the same bottle as spendi?

Unlike you, I dont drink. Clouds the mind. You should try it.

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@farmerman,

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I feel that We are in the presence of genius.

I feel your sneering is starting to piss me off again.

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@Ionus,

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Are you seriously suggesting evolution has answered every problem as to how life has evolved ? NO I dont say that at all, but evolution best suits "evolution" more than does , say soil science

And you have the gall to argue atheism is not a religion. You are totally faithful to every letter. you certainly are entitled to anything you wish to think, I just dont give a rats ass about your thinking process in this. Said otherways, "Is the absence of religion, a religion?"-I leave that to you and dr korn likker

How did life come from pre-biotic chemicals ? not part of evolution theory , how long does it take for stuff to permeate?

Why do cells band together ? weak forces, strong ionic forces, peptide linkeage, surface chemistry, hydrophilic and double layering (Im sure there are many more--youre point is?

How do species transfer information to their own DNA so it can be passed on in reproduction ? lotsa work being done in this area . So I dont presume to know the final decisions, where else do you think we should stick this besides genetic evolution?

How did budding evolve into the first sexual reproduction I can only tell you approximately when and that's pretty good

None of the above negate anything about evolutionary science. All youve managed to do (within the questions that were good ones), is to demonstrate the wide areas of ignorance that remain in evolutionary science and genetics and molecular biology. If it were your world, where would you have these areas of study coalesce under? Physics? mechanical engineering?
We are constantly looking in interdisciplanary studies where aspects of, say , mechanical engineering are used to understand how the "rotatory" mobility of the flagella works. This happens waay more than youd think. There shouldnt be any sense of "fiefdoms" where noone except the priesthood are allowed within. Much of how life could have developed from non life owes its results to the science of clay chemistry ( a subject that is moctly used in ceramics reserch)

I dont really worry about all those areas that seem to bother you, so, what can I say, you seem to be angry at stuff that is immaterial

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@Ionus,

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Compassion and empathy.
You haven't explained anything, you have thrown us a title. We are at the same place because you cant go to any depth in your explanation.

Is anyone else having trouble understanding my answers?

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@Ionus,

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I ask you to name one and you say any.
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And since human culture is unique to humans, those behavioral benefits are also unique to humans.
So enlighten me and tell me one.

Saving the chief's son from drowning, which gets you appreciation and protection from the chief, which allows you to survive to reproduce.

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@rosborne979,

I try to keep up but sometimes Ionus starts talking in extreme shorthand that doesnt read as well as he thinks it does.
I sense that your answers are attempting to cast a net in which you can catch some of his subject.

I just found that when IONUS gives several points, he conjoins them in his mind but I dont see the butt joints in my mind. I will now answer him serially .

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@farmerman,

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Are you seriously suggesting evolution has answered every problem as to how life has evolved ?
NO I dont say that at all,

So there are problems in evolution that are yet to be solved. What would be wrong with teaching evolution complete with the things it doesnt explain rather than "here it is, and it not only answers everything to do with all sciences, it is comnplete".

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Is the absence of religion, a religion?"

Yes it is. We have a need in our minds, that same need in some is filled by religion and for others it is filled by science, or belief in aliens having sex with humans, or belief the CIA is out to get them, or the belief they are superior because they belief God does not exist and like most religious nutters they enjoy the feeling that only they know the truth.

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How did life come from pre-biotic chemicals ?
not part of evolution theory

So for you God created life and evolution theory....the process of evolution did not evolve, it was created.

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Why do cells band together ?
weak forces, strong ionic forces, peptide linkeage, surface chemistry, hydrophilic and double layering (Im sure there are many more--youre point is?

I ask why and you answer how. Do you have sippies every night ? What evolutionary process bands cells together....I want you to tell me why they banded together.

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How do species transfer information to their own DNA so it can be passed on in reproduction ?
lotsa work being done in this area . So I dont presume to know the final decisions, where else do you think we should stick this besides genetic evolution?

So we dont know everything about evolution theory, it is incomplete.

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All youve managed to do (within the questions that were good ones), is to demonstrate the wide areas of ignorance that remain in evolutionary science and genetics and molecular biology. If it were your world, where would you have these areas of study coalesce under? Physics? mechanical engineering?

No, I am happy the way things are, I just want you to admit that the really important changes are yet to be explained by evolution. We have a day-to-day process mapped out, but really important things are yet to be fathomed.

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How did budding evolve into the first sexual reproduction
I can only tell you approximately when and that's pretty good

The question was how but you can answer approximately when.

I thought you would do a lot of political speak and circumnavigate the very real problems evolution theory has yet to solve. You were reasonably honest. My point is the really BIG questions are yet to be answered. Evolution theory explains things like fins, legs, wings, but not the big things like self awareness and intelligence, or how life started from chemicals.

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@rosborne979,

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Compassion and empathy.

That answer shows you dont know. You could have said "because" and that would have made as much sense.

If I asked how is a bus propelled along and you answered by forces, you would have shown the same depth as your answer above.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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Compassion and empathy.
That answer shows you dont know. You could have said "because" and that would have made as much sense.

It was an accurate and complete answer. Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't change it.

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@rosborne979,

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Saving the chief's son from drowning, which gets you appreciation and protection from the chief, which allows you to survive to reproduce.

Two male teenage baboons stayed back from the waterhole when the group went for a drink. When the troop was nearly home, the teens noticed a leopard lying in ambush. They attacked it and warned the troop who went into a defensive arrowhead formation and hastened back to safety. Both teens were killed by the leopard.

I ask again, tell me something that is "And since human culture is unique to humans, those behavioral benefits are also unique to humans."

Tell me just one example.

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@farmerman,

I think you are on to something. I had to learn to read by breaking down sentences into words, not the usual way of building words into sentences. I will endeavour to be more clear, but I can do nothing about some opacity that is based on how my mind works.

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