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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 07:52 pm
I'll do a splendiouse reply.


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Early humans may have preferred the fox to the dog as an animal companion, new archaeological findings suggest. Researchers analysing remains at a prehistoric burial ground in Jordan have uncovered a grave in which a fox was buried with a human, before part of it was then transferred to an adjacent grave.

The University of Cambridge-led team believes that the unprecedented case points to some sort of emotional attachment between human and fox. Their paper, published January 26, suggests that the fox may have been kept as a pet and was being buried to accompany its master, or mistress, to the afterlife.

The fox may have been kept as a pet and was being buried to accompany its master, or mistress, to the afterlife

If so, it marks the first known burial of its kind and suggests that long before we began to hunt foxes using dogs, our ancestors were keeping them as pets – and doing so earlier than their canine relatives.

The cemetery, at Uyun-al-Hammam, in northern Jordan, is about 16,500 years old, which makes the grave 4,000 years older than the earliest known human-dog burial and 7,000 years earlier than anything similar in Europe involving a fox. Unquote


reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 08:07 pm
@tenderfoot,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVoQJsh60_Y
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 05:58 am
@tenderfoot,
That was nothing like one of my posts tf.

I don't think the conclusion the team came to is necessarily the right one. It is more likely to have had some sort of magical or symbolic significance.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:04 am
@tenderfoot,
Well, if youve taken over for spendi posts, you need to criticize whoever just posted abpove you and claim how you are actually better at resoning.

By the way, the most significant evidence by which they establsihed that this was a pet fox was because the skeleton sported the remnants of a collar.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:13 am
Well, and the grave goods, too . . . the chew toy, the can of Alpo . . .
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:20 am
@farmerman,
The "remnants of a collar", if it was, might be from how it was tethered or killed by hanging, a method in China for producing certain dog meat, or a mere accident.

A collar would imply that they took it for walks or as a means of identification. Was there not a little metal plate on it saying "Rover. If found return to Cave 69 B".

No wonder beer is the price it is.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:24 am
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Retired Science Teacher Seeks to Bar Evolution from Classrooms
(Elena Garcia, Christian Post, January 30, 2011)

A retired science teacher believes the teaching of evolution is "bad science" and has asked a federal court to declare it illegal to teach the subject in public schools.

Tom Ritter, a former physics and chemistry teacher of over 10 years, filed a lawsuit earlier this month against evolution in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania, the same court that ruled that teaching of intelligent design in public schools is unconstitutional.

Ritter told The Christian Post this week that he didn't pay too much attention to biology before, but now in retirement he saw problems that he couldn't overlook any longer.

"It kind of got to be like picking a scab," he said.

In his one-page brief and one-page suit, Ritter argues that the Blue Mountain School District in Orwigsburg, Penn., is an illegal body because it teaches evolution.

A local resident, Ritter wants the district to stop collecting taxes from him until such teaching is halted. This is one scheme in his plan to get rid of public schools altogether, which he considers to be a waste of taxpayer dollars.

The suit contends that the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover decision forbids any teaching of evolution that includes a creator. It also argues that evolution is unscientific.

According to Ritter, evolution is unscientific for three reasons: no one has demonstrated that life can be created from non-life; no one has demonstrated that a new "sexual species" can be created; and no one has demonstrated how the human brain evolved from lower forms.

Since evolution is unscientific and teaches the absence of a creator, it is actually teaching atheism, the suit contends. Therefore, teaching evolution should be illegal in public schools because it is a religion.

"Objectively, Atheism is a religion, albeit a silly and unscientific one," the Jan. 18 suit states. "This is like teaching Jesus is Lord."

While Ritter said his court filings are really made for "popular consumption," he does expect to have his day in court.

"I think it will be taken seriously aside from the fact that I know some science," he said.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:30 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw's source wrote:
According to Ritter, evolution is unscientific for three reasons: no one has demonstrated that life can be created from non-life;


Evolution, of course, does not specify how life arose.

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. . . no one has demonstrated that a new "sexual species" can be created;


"Sexual species" is a meaningless term.

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. . . and no one has demonstrated how the human brain evolved from lower forms.


In the case of this gentleman, this is a compelling argument.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:34 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
In the case of this gentleman, this is a compelling argument.
Very Happy Very Happy

All that schooling finally paid off.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 06:49 am
@farmerman,
But he was a science teacher approved by the selection procedures after an education in American schools and colleges not unlike the education of Setanta and fm. He must have passed a good few exams.

You are back to asserting an opponent is talking out of his arse. I don't think you have any other argument. Changing the wording doesn't count.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:01 am
@Setanta,
Setanta is saying that a person can pass exams in American colleges which qualify him to teach physics and chemistry without his brain being any further on than those of lower forms?

And fm is agreeing with him.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:04 am
@Setanta,
Orwigsburg is at the bottom end of the anthracite belt. . This guy fits right in. The only famous person to be associated with Orwigsburg was Muhammed Ali , who kept a training camp at Deer Lake.

He will have his case unheard I feel. I dont foreee anything but a summary judgement as soon as the day begins.
His ideas are as clear to him as are spendis to him, full of analogies, all of them irrelevant and all wet.
Obviously he doesnt know as much science as he claims. Hes forgotten the rules of discovery and evidence based law.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:15 am
@farmerman,
That's as maybe fm and notwithstanding your local regional animosities and prejudicies you have said, in effect, that a person can pass exams in American colleges which qualify him to teach physics and chemistry without his brain being any further on than those of lower forms?

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:17 am
@spendius,
He might well be considering areas of science which scare you. Can you really not see that you are defining science self-referentially?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:19 am
@farmerman,
I suspect a hidden agenda. If he really knew science, he wouldn't be talking about evolution and abiogenesis. It seems likely that he is motivated by a newly found or an increasing devotion to christian doctrine. Whether or not one teaches science (there's so many people out there teaching things about which they really don't know much) is not relevant. If one understands the science, one can make an argument for their thesis. He offers no reasonable thesis.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:21 am
@Setanta,
What's the point of him offering a reasonable thesis for Setanta when as soon as he does Setanta sticks him on Ignore?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 07:45 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
It seems likely that he is motivated by a newly found or an increasing devotion to christian doctrine
How he hides this so that it aint just tossed out under our regions Fed District Findings in Dover, will be an interesting stunt.

Ill have to skoot around the Reading or Pottsville Pa press to see what happens in this.


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If he really knew science, he wouldn't be talking about evolution and abiogenesis.
Theres enough real scientists out there who link the two under the same classroom adventures. In most evolution texts, genesis is covered and given a polite dismissal as being another area of inquiry. Textbooks are mostly space filling with some new **** inserted every new edition. Very few evolution texts , ever since Ehrlichs landmark text, have been totally revided in content and description. The real " New Meat" has been the discovery of everything on and behind the genome all the new fossils found every few years, and the interpretations through cladistics.
My survey collection of biology books from the early 20 thcentury to the new millenium have left me with a major revelation. That being that most technical authors are boring writers and quite derivative.
So a good Creationist text would be a treat, except it would be real short.
Someone should write a book about how the subject of biological evolution has evolved through the last 125 years since Civic Biology appeared, and what were the reasons for the development, both scientific and civic.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 08:41 am
@farmerman,
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Ill have to skoot around the Reading or Pottsville Pa press to see what happens in this.


That sounds like you're taking it seriously and just an hour ago, or so, you were talking about it being dismissed in a "summary judgement".

Since when have you been interested in the civic aspects or the full scientific considerations?

You want Ibsen, Shaw, Freud, Reich, Greer, Kinsey, Masters and Johnson and many others. Did you not bother with the Shaw preface to Back to Methuselah I linked?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 08:46 am
@spendius,
Here's a tiny cut from Shaw's preface--

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Besides, the Socialists had an evolutionary prophet of their own, who
had discredited Manchester as Darwin discredited the Garden of Eden.
Karl Marx had proclaimed in his Communist Manifesto of 1848 (now
enjoying Scriptural authority in Russia) that civilization is an
organism evolving irresistibly by circumstantial selection; and he
published the first volume of his Das Kapital in 1867. The revolt
against anthropomorphic idolatry, which was, as we have seen, the secret
of Darwin's success, had been accompanied by a revolt against the
conventional respectability which covered not only the brigandage and
piracy of the feudal barons, but the hypocrisy, inhumanity, snobbery,
and greed of the bourgeoisie, who were utterly corrupted by an
essentially diabolical identification of success in life with big
profits.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 10:00 am
@spendius,
And here is another that makes a point I have often made--

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Then there is the farm laborer.
Shakespear's Touchstone, a court-bred fool, was shocked to find in the
shepherd a natural philosopher, and opined that he would be damned for
the part he took in the sexual selection of sheep. As to the production
of new species by the selection of variations, that is no news to your
gardener. Now if you are familiar with these three processes: the
survival of the fittest, sexual selection, and variation leading to new
kinds, there is nothing to puzzle you in Darwinism.

That was the secret of Darwin's popularity. He never puzzled anybody. If
very few of us have read The Origin of Species from end to end, it is
not because it overtaxes our mind, but because we take in the whole case
and are prepared to accept it long before we have come to the end of
the innumerable instances and illustrations of which the book mainly
consists. Darwin becomes tedious in the manner of a man who insists
on continuing to prove his innocence after he has been acquitted.


That's the attraction. It's a piece of piss. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can posture as scientific the easy way with Darwin. No calculus, relativity, quantum theory or physiology of excitable cells required. It's like swimming in the deep end with a bouyancy aid. And takes about the same amount of time to teach.

And if the NCSE, and Mss Forrest and Scott, don't know it what are we to think of them? I assume they do know it. The alternative is unthinkable. How do you become a professor without knowing such a simple and obvious thing? So I assume they are up to something else. As are the minions and awe-struck anti-IDers.

I have said enough already about what I think they are up to.

But what is really appalling is that people who campaign to revise dramatically and irreversibly a nation's educational system are unable to take on Shaw's preface.



 

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