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@electronicmail,

Of course it was meaningless to you. I had no expectation of it being otherwise. I hope most people agree with you. Quite fervently too.

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@spendius,

Why post on a public forum if you don't want to be understood? You're just wasting our space.

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@electronicmail,

No, he is not wasting my space.

Spendi always contribute to my utmost merriment and jubilation!

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@Francis,

Great. So can YOU summarize what his post meant?

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@electronicmail,

I cannot summarize but I understand what he means and it's sufficient to me...

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@Francis,

You understand what he says but you can't repeat it in your own words?

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@electronicmail,

I can but it would take me as many words as he used.

In addition, why would I repeat what he said?

Am I his appointed translator?

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@Francis,

Would you have the pun Francis on "keenly felt"?

How about you translating it into French for us? But don't try it on Trivia.

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@Francis,

OK then I'll repost the lot in case somebody else here can explain it:

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They use those words when they want to say someone disagrees with them. Its code for "God I hope we are right".
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Yes--I know Io. But what if they were to use them in a classroom using the authority of the educational system. Wouldn't young kids have a tendency to believe them and come to the conclusion that Rhodes Scholarships were the territory of jackasses and dimmies.

It is getting themselves into the classroom with the authority of the educational system that they are engaged in here.

Although a cynic might say that there was a chance they had rejected those tenets of Christian teaching not already covered by the law (nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more) in early life for reasons any selfish-gene would understand and then having been vociferous in their contentions in front of a large number of witnesses on escalating energy levels with more and more witnesses their pride demands that backing down is now impossible. The classrooms being actually irrelevant as you can easily see from their posts.

Never allowing, of course, any mention of those processes the selfish gene understands which opened the gate of the primrose path of righteous scientific rectitude and which has led them to where they now are. Those are long buried in the unconscious now that the convenience of them is no longer so keenly felt.

A psychologist might say it derives from the natural rebellion of youth against the traditional wisdom of the old stagers. Matthew Arnold admitted to that in Essays on Criticism which is well worth reading. His father, by the bye, invented the NFL. He had figured that the best solution for the problem of the students when the teachers wanted a break from them was to get them in a heap in the middle of a muddy field, fighting.

It can't possibly derive from the knowledge that there is no God. And beliefs readily lend themselves to the processes a selfish gene would understand and especially so in rebellious types "in a hurry" as fm was in his dream on the "What did you dream last night" thread. He was, in the dream, in a muck sweat getting people pigeon-holed.

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@spendius,

I have it, Spendi, but it's untranslatable..

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@electronicmail,

WSpendi, and to a degree Ionus, are always stuck in the single groove of mixing the study of religion with science (NO MATTER HOW THEY PROTEST TO THE CONTRARY). They dont seem to
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1Get it as to how the US public school system is composed and run or

2They just are a couple of trolls who dont seem to have eyes to read any information cept that which supports their narrow views.

Im going with 1 because at least, ignorance can be overcome with sufficient teaching and learning. If its 2 then weve all been snookered by the Walrus and the CArpenter.

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@electronicmail,

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Wouldn't young kids have a tendency to believe them and come to the conclusion that Rhodes Scholarships were the territory of jackasses and dimmies

This is spendis attempt at saying he "Sucks up to all authority" as long as it agrees with his limited worldview.

He has gone on record to try to trash Bill Clinton in the past , (Billy was a rhodes scholar also)

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@electronicmail,

Thanks em for giving it a second airing. One should never allow oneself the luxury of imagining that one has understood a text on one speed read of it. Or without some knowledge of the author of it.

I have read it through a few times myself. Or should I say another "me" did than the "me" who wrote it.

It's alright. I could improve it. I could have added another joke on "felt" relating to hats. One of Laurence Sterne's.

I would have left out "(nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more)" if I had thought only Io was reading it. I thought some might not understand "those tenets of Christian teaching not already covered by the law", or choose not to, so I emphasised it.

Maybe "nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more" is not American idiom. It is a bit common I must admit. I have had choruses of it. When I was late for the pub somebody would ask me where I had been? If I replied, say, that I had run over a cat on the way and had felt the need to give it a decent burial, the chorus of "nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more" would start up.

Ya dig?

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@farmerman,

The first thing about any public school system is that it is composed of human beings of all different sorts. And run by another collection of human beings. And it has more than one function. Considerably more.

These two facts are quite sufficient to create something like what a bowl of wool must look like to the kitten that's being playing with it all afternoon. It doesn't lend itself to grandiose simplicities and fatuous generalisations.

I prefer option 2 on the grounds that there's nobody on here with the slightest chance of supplying teaching and learning which will address what you assert is my ignorance. Your whole post is posited on your assertion of my ignorance.

You are snookered by superior argument and you can't hack it.

And when you end up labelling a Rhodes Scholar, and one of the most popular governors in the US who was elected by over 70% of the vote, a "jackass" and being "dim" I cannot help feeling that you calling me ignorant is something I should be proud of.

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@spendius,

Your wisdom knows no bounds; none of us knew how schools were made up, and now we know!

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@spendius,

rhodes scholaqrship and "dim" are not mutually exclusive conditions, or are you unfamiliar with the concept of multiple states of matter?

Jindhals Rhoes scholarship apparently didnt rub off on his gubernatorial state of being, especially since hes now just a toady to the "baws inda Pareeshes yeh"

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@spendius,

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It doesn't lend itself to grandiose simplicities and fatuous generalisations.

as he attempts to slip some grandiose simplicities and fatuous generalizations on us.
Laughing

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@farmerman,

At least his words are interesting, even when they lack any sense.

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@electronicmail,

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I don't understand your problem

I dont have a problem.

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you want to mix them all together

No. Religion should not contradict science...science will contradict itself given enough space.....I just dont see why religion can not be taught as well.....minus any effort to tell students science is wrong.

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What was that about the fish anyway?

A ref to Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy May I sugest you get a copy ? Excellent comedy...

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@farmerman,

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NO MATTER HOW THEY PROTEST TO THE CONTRARY

So no matter what we say our opinion is, you know better ? That is getting pretty darn close to psychotic.

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trolls who dont seem to have eyes to read any information cept that which supports their narrow views.

How do these two quotes from you relate to each other ?
Definition of troll (n) on the A2K dictionary - you miserable bastard ! How DARE you disagree with me!

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