Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

@Ionus,

A re-post in case you missed it:

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@Ionus,
You'll go far with your mental capacity of ignorance. Keep it up!
If you can't take the heat, leave the kitchen.

Show me where I've weaseled out of any subject after you have presented facts?

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@Ionus,

You want good manners? Go to church. a2k is not the place for you!

You earn respect by answering questions posed to you that are not clear by what you have stated or claimed. A smart ass like you will never get much respect, because of your inability to answer direct questions.

So, I'll ask again. What has psychology determined from studying religion?

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@cicerone imposter,

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You want good manners? Go to church. a2k is not the place for you!

Will you be saying the same to Gomer the Turd and **** for Brains ? Of course not ! Senility is a wonderful excuse for a personality that was screwed to begin with, isnt it ?

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@cicerone imposter,

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A re-post in case you missed it:

No I didnt miss it. I just dont think you have the mental capacity to accept anything but what you want to believe.

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@Ionus,

You'll have to ask gomer and **** for brains for your answer.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

(sigh) As usual HS, I am in your debt. But I would like to throw a theory by you....lets say a person could not help but be agitated when called anus....I dont know, lets say....oh, for instance....that they had a colostomy bag. Purely hypothetical of course.....wouldnt that go some way to making it justified ?

As for quoting Gomer the Turds attempts, what about mine ? Were they really worthless ?

And as someone who had a mother, a father, 6 uncles, 2 grandfathers, 3 grand uncles and an ex wife all in the military and all with extensive peace time or war service, some of whom payed the unltimate price, I hardly need reminding of armistice day. Australia had the highest percentage of casualties of serving soldiers for any nation in WWI.....they were ALL volunteers....and in WWII we had the highest percentage of the population serving in uniform for any nation. I hardly need reminding but I appreciate the spirit in which it was intended.

It is I who is in your debt. We know the casualties suffered by all Australian forces and yes, not all of us are ignorant of history, and we also remember the Gallipoli disaster. We also know the contribution of Australian and NZ forces in just about every war since, including Vietnam and our ongoing debacle in Afghanistan. We - and I know I speak for everyone here - are deeply grateful to your family and yourself for your service. I also appreciate the spirit in which you write and trust my friends here will see your post in the same light. Thank you.

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@Ionus,

Oh, I have beliefs, but you continually fail to answer my question. I want to see if I can challenge what you post, because I don't believe psychology can study religion to arrive at any conclusion.

So, let's hear it?

Besides, you provided a Google link that lists thousands of such books. You must surely have read some of those.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Psychology of religion is the psychological study of religious experiences, beliefs, and activities. It aims to inform understanding of religion through science. In the past couple of decades, scholars have conceptualized religion as a way of living, rather than merely a belief system or institution [1]. This conception of religion eases its operationalization and fosters its scientific study. For instance, scholars can look at relatively objective practices, such as ritual performance and church attendance, rather than solely rely on subjective report to study religion. A distinction between religion and spirituality has recently grown [2]. However, Pargament [3] contends that the search for the sacred (the divine, truth, reality) is common to both. Moreover, religion and spirituality are not mutually exclusive, but most often coincide [4]. Positive psychology has also facilitated the study of spirituality at the individual level and religious institutions at the group level [5]. However, views on the ability of spirituality and religion to promote positive qualities vary.

<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion
Read and weap, moron.

You know why you couldnt do it ? Because I googled it and it was the very first item. You couldnt have done that. You are too old, fat and lazy. Did they have religion in your day ?

Next time get off your fat arse and do it yourself. I will accept your apology, I just dont hink you are woman enough to give it.

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@cicerone imposter,

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You must surely have read some of those.

Oh most assuredly I have old girl.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If you don't like questions from strangers, quit posting.

I asked you two specific questions. Are you in favour of the masses being controlled and what effect will the election results have on the teaching of evolution in public schools?

You have answered neither. In the one you raised the issue of the control of the masses and in the other the basis of the thread topic is involved.

So why don't you take your own advice?

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@Ionus,

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. I hardly need reminding but I appreciate the spirit in which it was intended.

Well Io--you shouldn't. It was nothing but udder milking from a safe place.

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@Ionus,

Io- I trust you won't allow HS's sneaky flattery to influence you. It's the oldest female trick known.

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@spendius,

Your silly questions are irrelevant. If you understand anything about human history, many so-called (political/cultural) leaders used religion to control the masses. Whether I favor such control or not is not the issue, because most humans are brain-washed into believing in one religion or another.

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@cicerone imposter,

Bullshit. You raised the matter. You won't explain what you mean despite being asked. How can the questions be irrelevant? One pertains to something you said and the other to the votes in school boards.

And you said that not answering questions disqualified people from the thread and here you are neither answering relevant questions nor pissing off.

You are out of control ci. No wonder you go abroad a lot to look for people who haven't got your number.

And "brain-washed" is the wrong term. Conditioned is what you want. Are you not conditioned? You seem to have a terrible fear of being conditioned and being thought one of the masses. Unfortunately you are conditioned and are one of the masses.

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@spendius,

But I will Spendi...I like HS and I like you both for your posts....I have what we call in Sci-Fi, sentience. I will make up my own mind. I will not take what she says about you or you about her as being anything more than your own opinions......not meant for distribution but for personal use only.

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@spendius,

Okay, spendi, show me where 1) I raised the matter from any of my post, and 2) the date, topic, and page number.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Show me where I've weaseled out of any subject after you have presented facts?

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http://able2know.org/topic/121621-380#post-4410743

You failed to comment and just crawled away.....why is that ?

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Your silly questions are irrelevant.

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Do you ever answer direct questions?

Do you see some inconsistency there ? No ? Must be an intelligence thing then. You dont have any.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Okay, spendi, show me where 1) I raised the matter from any of my post, and 2) the date, topic, and page number.

Just yesterday--

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If you understand anything about human history, many so-called (political/cultural) leaders used religion to control the masses.

And you have used the expressions related to controlling the masses, with a pejorative tone, a good few times. And I asked you what your attitude to this control is, whether you are part of the masses or not, and what alternatives to religious control are you suggesting in those areas not currently covered by law--abortion, homosexuality, adultery, divorce, promiscuity, sperm banks and masturbation--or whether these areas should be, in your opinion, completely freed from any religious inhibitions.

I also asked you for your view on how the recent election result might impinge on the teaching of evolution in schools. Anti-IDers were keen enough before the election to speculate on the Texas School Board having a shift in its viewpoint.

Both these important issues you have ducked out of with blather.

Notice how HS and fm have ceased questioning my memory after Imur found the post I was referring to.

Don't talk pejoratively about religion controlling the masses unless you have alternatives ready or want no control in the areas I mentioned.

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@High Seas,

That post you quoted is a bit revisionist might I add. Until about March of this year, Ionus was not noticeably rude to me ,in fact we engaged in a whole bunch of threads in spirited fashion. (He had, already , begun his favored appellation for Set as "**** for brains" mostly because set had totally overwhelmed ionus in a discussion dealing with history).
In March 2010 , in a thread entitled "Experts Conclude that Asteroid Impact Wiped out Dinosaurs, Deb had asked me about a quote I borrowed from Dave Raup. Raup said that
1Dinosaurs were a bad idea to begin with

2And they lasted quite long enough

This was entered as humor and was a small topic diversion that was concluding that chickens have a lot in common with T rex.
Then Ionus jumped in and asserted that T rex and chickens have the same DNA. To which I, (in caps) asked

"WHo the hell has any T rex DNA."

Ionus then clipped an article from SChweitzer et al about the "soft tissue myelins and osteocalcin finds from a T rex at Hell Creek).
I explained to ionus that SChweitzer Did Not find any dinosaur DNA and that a closer reading by him was in order. That event, in my estimation ,began all of Ionus's animus toward me (specifically).
Since then Hes been rude, intolerant, hes made libelous statements , hes tried unsuccsessully to slander my family and my education. From a "purely ignorant position" hes consistently tried to cast aspersions about me as a scientist. I have no idea why .
THEREFORE, in my opinion
I owe him no respect at all. Hes been consistently small minded and is often unstable on the boards. He will go from totally hyper and erratic to calm and composed. I do sense something behind that but I really dont want to take any time to be subjected to his frequent outbursts. Im here for some relaxation and fun. I enjoy healthy debate and Ive learned a lot in areas that I know nothing. My contributions are narrow and necessarilly deep because I do some of thios for a living. When it stops being fun, I just move over until the crap ceases.
So, If anyone here expects "apologies" I submit that he should first look into a mirror.

So, we see things from opposite sides of the polarizer. I am not put off by spendi in the least. Hes more of a gamer, Hes less snide and often makes some sense (although a lot of days can pass between)
Ionus is dead to me (to quote Don Corleone), and I see no reson to have any direct dealings with him. SHould someone like you post something by him, I cant help but read and pass my opinion on .

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@farmerman,

Thanks very much - as I don't know what was said on threads I haven't read, when, or by whom, and can't contribute to any DNA discussion, I hope you'll address the more general question: there is an obvious link (via many shared features visible to the naked eye) between dinosaurs and today's birds, so is there any residual doubt (even absent dino-DNA) that the evolutionary descent went something like this>

http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BIO48/Image39.gif

http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BIO48/34.Cloning.Dinosaurs.HTML
> and if there's no doubt, how can anyone object to teaching that an evolutionary process was at work there?

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