Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

But the Supremes and the Fed district courts have sliced and diced the issue so many ways that now weve got specific court dicta about all these components of evolution science in public schools For example

1Its illegal to bar teaching evolution, SImilarly, from another case, a test can be applied to determine whether the "gov" is endorsing a religion

2There can be no "balanced treatment " in the teaching of evo over Cretinism

3 A teacher doesnt have the right to teach what he wants re: this worldview issue

4.Weve defined and shot down, Creationism, Creation SCience, and Intelligent Design all in separate cases.

Justice Brennan in his opinion for the majority in Edwards ,used the phrases that these teachings (Creation Science)are tailored to the principles of A PARTICULAR SECT.

Thats a lot of baggage to sift and try to overturn since theres about 10 or more cases in which several of the separate chunks of wisdom were developed within.

When Scallia was writing for the dissenters in Edwards he said:


He was talking about the Louisiana Creation Act . If the case can surround itself with his "just because it happens to coincide" phrase, and milk that for all its worth, I wonder whether the USSC, in its present makeup, would even wish to **** with all this stare decisis briefly reviewed above?

For our foreign correspondents, these and several more cases have enabled science to wrest itself from an original status wherein evolution WAS NOT even allowed to be taught in public schools. (My collection of science secondary texts bears this out) So, being able to teach creation or ID "alongside" the scientific , was viewed by the courts as in violation of our constitution and therefore disallowed.

Its not a simplistic a matter of advocacy or "common sense" that foreigners seem to believe. . ANyway, the Creation, Creation Science, ID issue (as valid theories) is only followed by a small minority of American Christian Sects.
In EDwards v Aguillard, there were several amicus briefs for the appellants filed on behalf of science programs and biologists who represented religious Univeristies like Notre Dame, La Salle, Brigham Young,Loyola,Xavier etc

Well, for what it's worth, i've not said they have case, only that that may describe what they hope to accomplish.

If IT happened, with a few "cleanups" of ;lamguage and some editing, we could submit wandels entire thread as an amicus brief. Ha? Whaddya Say? I am herein submitting Sets name as our scribe of record. COurse, wed have to drop the handles and use real names.

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We'd also have to throw out about half the thread, that half which is comprised of the dreck posted by our resident trolls.

Quite apart from the fact you mention, to wit, that the presumed amici curiae (aka all posters here) would have to agree to this, and sign their names individually and collectively, the idea might also run afoul of patents and trademarks legislation - contents of the site being the property of the site, though authorship remains with the posters. Perhaps one of our resident legal eagles will swoop in and advise?

There's only a single troll posting here: Spendius. Beyond redemption by any human agency - and unlike him, I don't claim to speak for any gods. I know Ionus has had medical problems, so he can only bear some diminished responsibility for his most insulting posts. I may be the only one to think that - and I may well be wrong - but I think, and I hope, he will get better eventually. Dishonest, he ain't - unlike the troll.

Gomer the Turd's twin sister.....and we dont suspect a thing. Get one thing straight....I am not here for you. I think you are a fool who doesnt understand anything and can only read the most balantantly obvious facts if they are presented several times. Your criticism of me is just a bitch howling.

Nobody expects you to be here for me, but when you post on a public forum, you can expect to be asked questions when what you claim is unclear or undefined.

If you don't like questions from strangers, quit posting.

Well, we disagree about Anus NOT being a troll. Noone gets a pass for bad manners, no matter whether theyre on Oxy or aspirin.
I was half kidding (only half) , but an AMicus brief needs to have a purpose and ref in the law. It must be developed as an opinion, and then all the group can pile on (with editing and carefully selected ommissions).
We submitted an AC brief on behalf of Kitzmiller during Dover and the issues that we chose to discuss were just about professional education and preparatory education for the sciences of biology, biochemistry and geology. It was done through the Pa Council of Prof Geologists and was mostly the work of our own Thomas Jefferson clone. It was read into the record along with many others from teachers scientists, students, parents, school principals etc.

The other side also had some briefs and they had theirs read into the record also.


As far as ownership and content of the site that contains this thread, We can send Jes a note.
I really am not holding my breath that this thing in Louisiana is going to go far but who knows. Jindhal could probably kiss his political career goobye should he be behind the textbook issue. If it would go to court during his watch, imagine what his party would think. (Im not talking about the teabaggers either)

Back so soon ? Are we under our bridge ?

Thats a good idea.

You of course would be selecting your posts as some of the finest examples of pathetic little dick over-compensating in the history of humanity.

Intellectual property based on creativity is well respected by law.

I welcome Gomer the Turd and **** for Brains feeble attempts to bring about the effect of law. They clearly are unaware of the number of times they have insulted me, and the chronolgical order of it happening BEFORE my comments. They have never apologised and any attempt by me to smooth things over has only resulted in them getting a rush of blood and sensing imminent victory. They are far richer than me and I welcome the opportunity for redress through legal action. I hope they have deep pockets. There are others here who could join in with me.

Go to hell. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Your opinion is worthless and you are uneducateable. If presented with facts, you worm and weasel to a different topic.
If you dont like answers, dont ask questions. In the mean time, try some childrens books from the library.

Yes, there has been an attempt at reconciliation if not outright apology by Farmerman on page 350, and Setanta did relent somewhat after he found out you are a fellow vet. So, FYI, is Cicerone, though he's a bit older than we are he also served in the US armed forces. I know nothing about any of them having deep pockets. Please step away from your terminal and consider: who are your friends? You have no enemies here that I can see. If all else fails, please consider today's date: November 11, day on which the guns finally fell silent in Europe in 1918, and a holiday for us as well, Veterans' Day. Thank you.

You'll go far with your mental capacity of ignorance. Keep it up!
If you can't take the heat, leave the kitchen.

Show me where I've weaseled out of any subject after you have presented facts?

(sigh) As usual HS, I am in your debt. But I would like to throw a theory by you....lets say a person could not help but be agitated when called anus....I dont know, lets say....oh, for instance....that they had a colostomy bag. Purely hypothetical of course.....wouldnt that go some way to making it justified ?

As for quoting Gomer the Turds attempts, what about mine ? Were they really worthless ?

And as someone who had a mother, a father, 6 uncles, 2 grandfathers, 3 grand uncles and an ex wife all in the military and all with extensive peace time or war service, some of whom payed the unltimate price, I hardly need reminding of armistice day. Australia had the highest percentage of casualties of serving soldiers for any nation in WWI.....they were ALL volunteers....and in WWII we had the highest percentage of the population serving in uniform for any nation. I hardly need reminding but I appreciate the spirit in which it was intended.

I am still down here, you bastards. Thats a quote in case you didnt know.

Well--obviously. That's what happened at Dover. The important half never got a look in. Setanta--the resident censor. The director of the discussion. How can he possibly lose the argument?

God but you are a cloth cock. At what stage does calling someone names pass for good manners in your neck of the woods ? When you are ******* your sister cause she likes dirty talk ?