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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 06:59 pm
@farmerman,
So you are a Geologist, Geneticist, Paleontologist, Proctologist, Psychologist, Theologist and dickhead. As your skills are greater than the individual parts, why dont you practice some brain surgery on yourself. I am sure you have the knowledge.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 07:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Please provide the textbook name, page number, and paragraph
Thats very important for a rote learner. Everybody else's work is more important.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 07:12 pm
@Ionus,
Go to hell, Anus! Why don't you contribute something intelligent for a change?

Oh yeah, since you're back, please explain the fundamental concept that relates psychology to religion and politics.

It should be easy for you, since you went to google and got a list of all those books that "tries" to explain the connection between psychology and religion. You can even name names in support of your "thesis."

What are the conclusions drawn from psychology as it relates to religion?

That's a very simple question.

Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Go to hell, Anus! Why don't you contribute something intelligent for a change?
Are you assuming your posts are intelligent ? My God you are so like Gomer the Turd....hey, thats not one of those brother-sister things you got going there is it ? I can see the same personality......
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 09:38 pm
@Ionus,
I believe we are reading ANUS babblings . SInce hes not added anything since his last waking period, I can only assume that he will continue in the same manner with nothing of any substance.

Basically nothing here for me folks, I wanted to discuss the problems involved in teaching evolution in our public schools, not listen to the meaningless ramblings of the two idiots , spendi and ANUS .

Im going over to another thread till these two twits get back under their respective bridge culverts



Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 09:53 pm
@farmerman,
I'm worried about you. You left out ****. Are you feeling alright ??

Gomer the Turd must seek help.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:27 pm
@Ionus,
It's obvious by people with intelligence; they can discern bull **** like yours the moment they read it.

You still haven't provided any answer for my question to you about the relationship of psychology and religion. You even provided a Google link with thousands of books under that title.

Since you're the expert, I thought you'd be able to at least provide what conclusion psychology has provided about religion in a paragraph or two.

msolga
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:59 pm
@farmerman,
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Basically nothing here for me folks ...

Join the club, farmer. Neutral

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I wanted to discuss the problems involved in teaching evolution in our public schools ....

That's why I visited this thread, too, often just to read about what's happening ...
I hope it thread gets back on track.



Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I thought you'd be able to at least provide what conclusion psychology has provided about religion
There is one problem...I dislike you enough not to care...get off your fat arse and research it yourself rather than say you have never heard of it so it cant be true...the mind numbing arrogance !
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:53 pm
@msolga,
With Gomer the Turd gone, perhaps we can get back on track. As an ex-teacher/lecturer thingy I estimate the problems in teaching evolution are going to be a clash with some students, between their home teaching and the schools. Handling that would take a separate protocol.

In the nity-grity of teaching, it would be best if there were a direct train of teaching aids from the first fossil life to modern times. Of course the record is incomplete, but fossils showing major developments would be of great benefit.

Space precludes mention of all but a few, but the evolution of multi-cell, cartilage to bone, the first insects, legs, migration onto land, wings, and mammals seem to me at least the most important. A quick description of geological ages would also be appropriate and how fossils are formed.

Major extinctions should also be covered, as well as why some think they never occurred. Ice Ages and meteorite impact are important.

Then the early experiments on genetics and what they did, the modern genome project,

Got to go....but you get the idea.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 05:37 am
@farmerman,
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I wanted to discuss the problems involved in teaching evolution in our public schools


I have been trying to get you anti-IDers to do exactly that since the thread started. But you won't do it. You are scared of the subject as can be seen everytime I have brought up the practical difficulties.

The parts given to female actresses in Footballer's Wives were such that a disinterested observer could only conclude that they had had a full-blown evolutionist education. You said I was off topic.

When I said that teaching evolution in public schools required the cleaning out of Christians from the teaching profession, membership of school boards and from the administrative structure of education, you declared I was talking out of my arse, I was drunk, I am a dipshit and a few other expressions from your limited phrase store.

When I asked your view on the effect of the recent election results on the promotion of the teaching of evolution in public schools you were all mute.

You don't want to discuss that topic at all. You just like saying you do. You want to foist the teaching of evolution on the nation's educational system without discussion. By dictat.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 05:53 am
@msolga,
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I hope it thread gets back on track.


What track is that Olga. Is it the one where evolution theory, which renders your whole way of life ridiculous, is shoved into schools without any discussion?

I want you to leave the thread. I want all anti-IDers to leave the thread. I want the thread to fold. I want promoters of teaching evolution to adolescents silenced. It represents corrupting the youth and the thin edge of the wedge of totalitarianism.

I want there to be nothing here for you. Any discussion which has something in it for you is not a debate at all. You, fm and the others clearing off is my objective. You lot putting the thread and me on Ignore is a victory for my side. Like throwing in the towel is in boxing.

Unless you are up for demolishing all the churches all you have is an affectation.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 06:11 am
@Ionus,
The argument has nothing to do with that stuff Io.

It is about removing Christian ideas concerning abortion, divorce, birth control, homosexuality, adultery, masturbation, pornography and eugenics from the educational process. And the promotion of those who have majored in an "ology" and the totalitarian state which would result the outlines of which are easily discernable in every post written by an anti-IDer. Imagine fm as Commissar of Education with Olga as his secretary, ci. his bottle washer, wande his gopher and Setanta his bouncer on the security doors. Oh--ros as his jester.

It is naive to think otherwise. If it was about the things you mention there would be no debate. All those things are harmless thought of independently and in isolation. In reality you are on their side but coming from a different direction which seems the epitome of sweet reasonableness but has the same objective. An internal anti-ID power struggle.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 06:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
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but what conclusions have they drawn from their psychological study of religion?


Roughly the same as those drawn from a study of the psychological aspects of soft furnishings, decor, dress codes, etiquette and general activities. Once the basic needs are satisfied, which they are for us, there are only psychological aspects remaining. Sentiment is 100% psychological.

Lord of the Flies gives a view of the matter. The trapped miners in Chile had discussed cannibalism. Professor Vitz's book about Freud's Christian unconscious explains the basics.

http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth12.html
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 06:33 am
@spendius,
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The argument has nothing to do with that stuff
It is not an argument. It is an outline for a lesson plan.

I am not anti-ID. I just think evolution is on the right track but it is far from complete and factual in all its areas. I also think there is nothing wrong with the Catholic version. Why couldnt God have created a process ? If time is meaningless to an omnipotent being who are we to use verbatum a schedule given to people 5,000 years ago ? The whole concept of the world created 10,000 years ago is ludicrous. It is telling God what to do. It only serves one purpose....to increase the power of the person who stands up in front every sunday.

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It is about removing Christian ideas concerning abortion, divorce, birth control, homosexuality, adultery, masturbation, pornography and eugenics from the educational process. And the promotion of those who have majored in an "ology" and the totalitarian state which would result the outlines of which are easily discernable in every post written by an anti-IDer.
I agree.

Why is it they never read the numerous times I tell them I am not religious ? Are they so stupid in their mindset and their pigeon-holeing of people that they cant have their first impressions changed ?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 07:50 am
@Ionus,
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Why is it they never read the numerous times I tell them I am not religious ?


Because they don't read anything. They can't afford to. They would end up having nothing to say if they did. Not that they are saying anything mind you.

When the Texas school board voted the way they didn't approve of they were looking forward with glee to the next election to shift the majority on the board to a pro-evolution stance. Now the election has taken place they have become shy about the matter despite being asked for their reaction to what they think the election will do for the teaching of evolution in schools.

They have used "controlling the masses" pejoratively in respect of religion and are unwilling to say, despite being asked, whether they want the masses controlling or not or on the best way to control them if they are in favour of the masses being controlled.

Instead they trot out meaningless platitudes and insults or quote some **** about millions of years ago and end up predicting, like good scientists, half way through the last nfl season, that I would end up near the bottom of the Pick-Um Game rankings. I won the year, I have won the last two weeks in this season and am leading the rankings again.

fm even said he would have predicted one result correctly. On the day after the match!! And more than half the players in the game had predicted it correctly before the match.

And he tried to claim that after 200 games I could get my score to where I had it by picking out of a sock, which, as you know, after that many games can only result on a 0.5 score. + or-- one or two.

They are the worst example of silly-soddery that I have ever encountered and that's saying something.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 08:02 am
@spendius,
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They have used "controlling the masses" pejoratively in respect of religion and are unwilling to say, despite being asked, whether they want the masses controlling or not or on the best way to control them if they are in favour of the masses being controlled.
Of course they want the masses to be controlled, it is just jealousy that they are not doing the controlling.
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They are the worst example of silly-soddery that I have ever encountered and that's saying something.
Yes, I must admit the standard they achieved was very high...they were the best.

Reminded me of Monty Pythons village idiot. You start of in say London, a place full of idiots and you work through your whole life to the pinnicle of your career where you are the idiot in a very small village, the smaller the greater the prestige. Problem is, the internet has brought them out of the tiny village. We were dealing with greatness.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 10:15 am
LOUISIANA UPDATE
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Criticisms target evolution in texts
(By WILL SENTELL, Baton Rouge Advocate, Nov 9, 2010)-

Some proposed high school biology textbooks are under fire because critics say they put too much credibility in the theory of evolution, officials said Monday.

A state panel is set to review the issue Friday after Louisiana’s top school board last month delayed action on the textbooks amid questions.

Critics contend some biology I, biology II and other school books under scrutiny for public classrooms put too much credence in Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

“It is like Charles Darwin and his theory is a saint,” said Winston White, of Baton Rouge, who filed a comment with state officials reviewing the textbooks.

“You can’t touch it,” White said.

But others said the textbook criticism is being led by the Louisiana Family Forum, which touts itself as a group that promotes traditional values.

“They had their people going through the books, writing up complaints and sending them,” said Barbara Forrest, a professor at Southeastern Louisiana University and co-founder of the LA Coalition for Science.

Textbooks for Louisiana’s public schools are typically renewed every seven years.

Samples are made available in public libraries across the state.

A special committee reviews the books, then makes recommendations to the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, called BESE.

Last month, BESE approved other science textbooks but delayed action until December on the high school life science books.

The little-known Textbook/Media/Library Advisory Council is supposed to review the issue on Friday, then make a recommendation to the state school board.

Darrell White, who is the father of Winston White and is co-founder of the Louisiana Family Forum, said the proposed biology textbooks he reviewed fail to meet the benchmarks spelled out in a 2009 law aimed at expanding classroom talks on the theory of evolution.

“If this was a beauty contest, we have got all ugly contestants in these biology textbooks,” White said.

Darwin’s theory is that life forms have changed over time by mutations, with the pressure of natural selection determining which species survive.

In written comments to state officials, David Mathers, of West Monroe, said he would “like to see intelligent design explained as an alternate theory to the theory of evolution.”

Intelligent design advocates believe that the universe stems from an intelligent designer, rather than chance.

Curt Eberts, of Monroe, made the same point.

He faulted a biology textbook he reviewed for lacking material on the concept of intelligent design.

But Kash Schriefer, who lives in Ouachita Parish, said he looked at one of the proposed biology textbooks and thought it included needless criticism of Darwin’s views.

“This is the way scientists explain the development of life on our planet,” Schriefer said.

Forrest said she thinks critics hope to get disclaimers added to the textbooks, change their content or pave the way for the inclusion of supplemental materials that challenge Darwin.

“What has happened is that the Louisiana Family Forum is attacking the process of textbook selection,” she said.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 11:15 am
@Ionus,
Understood; you're full of crap who can't support anything you opine. I knew you were full of **** from the beginning, you, Anus.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2010 11:21 am
@wandeljw,
I suspect these jokers are looking for another go-round with the Supremes, believing that its present conservative make-up give them a chance of overturning Edwards versus Aguillard.
 

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