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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2009 09:35 am
LOUISIANA UPDATE
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Science lessons to stir debate
(By WILL SENTELL, Baton Rouge Advocate, Jan 9, 2009)

New arguments have erupted on how to teach evolution in Louisiana public schools.

Last year lawmakers enacted a law to overhaul the way evolution and other controversial science topics are taught in middle and high schools.

Now the focus is the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, which is required by the new law to come up with guidelines for local school districts that seek assistance.

A committee of the board is set to take up the issue Tuesday. Final action is expected Thursday.

However, what the rules should say is triggering behind-the-scenes jockeying by both sides.

Backers said the law is needed to give science teachers more freedom to hold discussions that challenge traditional theories, including Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

Critics contend the law is aimed at injecting religious themes into public schools.

An advisory panel set up by the state Department of Education has recommended guidelines that won praise from opponents of the law.

Barbara Forrest, of Holden, a professor and co-founder of the LA Coalition for Science, said the rules would block any efforts to inject creationism or intelligent design under the guise of science.

Christian creationism is the view that life began 6,000 years ago in a process described in the Bible’s Book of Genesis.

Intelligent design advocates contend the universe stems from an intelligent designer rather than chance.

“I don’t think there is anything in there that is going to give very much room to anyone who wants to teach creationism or who wants to undermine evolution,” Forrest said of the advisory panel’s proposed guidelines.

But Gene Mills, executive director of the Louisiana Family Forum, said the advisory panel’s recommendations were merely the first draft in the discussions.

Mills said those proposed guidelines included “religious hostility” that went beyond the intent of lawmakers and was a “cheap shot.”

The advisory panel’s list of guidelines said science teachers should distinguish between science and religion, and offered definitions of faith and science.

Mills said he is cautiously optimistic that talks among department officials, the state board and lawmakers involved in the issue will be productive.

The LFF says it promotes traditional family values. It was a key backer of the law, which won overwhelming legislative approval.

The law, called the Louisiana Science Education Act, allows science teachers to use supplemental materials, in addition to state-issued textbooks, on issues such as evolution.

State Superintendent of Education Paul Pastorek said in a letter in August to local superintendents and others that the law carries limits.

“Religious theories cannot be advanced under the guise of encouraging critical thinking,” said Pastorek, an attorney.

Dale Bayard, of Sulphur, a member of the state board, is chairman of the BESE committee that will review science standards.

Bayard said earlier this week he is not familiar with the latest version of the standards.

Rep. Frank Hoffman, R-West Monroe and House handler of the science legislation, said Thursday he objected to a few items in the initial guidelines but is comfortable with the latest draft.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2009 09:53 am
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New arguments have erupted on how to teach evolution in Louisiana public schools.


One possible solution... Include the following warning on biology books which include anything about evolution(ism):

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"Belief in the brain-dead ideological doctrine of evolution has been found to cause actual IQ reduction in yuppies and laboratory animals, and has led to two world wars and untold misery and grief. Read at your own risk."

farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2009 10:07 am
@gungasnake,
Spoken like a true Cretinist. I know that your ilk scorns evidence, but try to understand how far reaching the sciences that support evolution are.
Do you argue that radioisotope dating , based upon measurable disintegrations , is invalid?

How bout genetics and genomic evidence?

Fossil records?

Im glad you are so confident in your ignorance, it must give you great peace at night.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2009 01:10 pm
@Shirakawasuna,
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My sentiments exactly... and notice his reply, going off into babble on psychosomatic phenomena, etc, etc


Calling discussion of the psychosomatic realm and emotional states affecting cell function and social organisation "babble" is simply a cheapskate excuse to put them on Ignore. Most unscientific.

Why don't you actually say you reject the existence of those matters. Dr Armstrong did in The Materialist Theory of Mind. But even he used "very probable" to say that "life is a purely physico-chemical phenomenon."

And that man "is nothing but a material object having none but physical properties."

It is quite respectable Shira. There is no reason for you to shrink back from it.

Your vote, if you did vote, was merely a meaningless accident between atoms, molecules and electrical currents. Some exterior cosmic event aligned you in a certain way. End of story.

A state of the central nervous system apt for pushing Obama's button, say, existed in your body. How it came to exist is another matter.

You could give us all a good laugh by answering that you didn't vote for Obama or that you didn't vote at all.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2009 07:19 am
OHIO SCIENCE TEACHER UPDATE
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Princehouse testifies in Freshwater hearing
(By Pamela Schehl, Mount Vernon News, January 10, 2009)

MOUNT VERNON " Dr. Patricia Princehouse, lecturer in philosophy and evolutionary biology at Case Western Reserve University, was Friday’s sole witness in the contract termination hearing for John Freshwater.

Princehouse gave a detailed analysis of handouts Freshwater has given his students over the years. Some of the topics involved include giraffes, woodpeckers, dragons and dinosaurs.

Princehouse, who received her Ph.D. from Harvard University, said she was asked to examine the material with regard to its content and relevance to a science classroom, and to form an opinion as to the material’s potential effect on science students.

Using a PowerPoint presentation to illustrate her conclusions, Princehouse said these worksheets are not serious attempts to teach science and that the source of many of these sheets are from a creationist Web site.

Regarding the woodpecker assignment, one of her points dealt with the format of the work assigned. Since it was a follow-along-with-the-lecture-and-fill-in-the-blanks activity, Princehouse said it was not an analytic exercise that promotes independent thought, as science should be.

She also discussed what she said were inaccuracies in the worksheet information. She said it " and the other worksheets she examined " seemed to have disinformation, and did not appear to be a serious attempt to teach science. She attributed the material to a creationist Web site called allaboutgod, and one called answersingenesis, which she said is “beautifully done.” She said the worksheet and others of its ilk would be damaging to science education. She said they also seem to “promote some Christian views and demote other Christian views.”

Speaking to a question on the worksheet about I.D. (intelligent design), Princehouse said, “Science deals with the laws of nature. An intelligent designer is a theological concept, not a scientific one.”

She believes the effect of the worksheet would be damage to students’ understanding of how science is conducted. Referencing the other handouts as well, Princehouse said, “This is not how science is conducted. ... Material such as this are inappropriate in a science class and teaches students to disregard basic chemistry and standard physics. ... Scientific theory deals with natural causes, not spiritual ones.”

Princehouse gave a detailed rebuttal of the handout “Survival of the Fakest” and the book from which it was taken, “Icons of Evolution.” She said “Icons” was full of fraudulent representations of material in science textbooks. Talking about topics such as mutation, embryology, natural selection, Darwin’s tree of life, genetics, homology, convergence, the law of thermodynamics and evolutionary biology, Princehouse opined that the “Fakest” was specifically designed to steer students away from science and into religion.

Princehouse also gave a presentation titled “The Evolution of Creationism,” in which she traced the history of the movement, discussed the different types of creationism and how creationism relates to intelligent design.

Upon cross-examination by Freshwater lawyer Kelly Hamilton, Princehouse said it is necessary to recognize and admit a personal bias in order to have a rational discussion. As that relates to science class, though, she said one also needs to remember that students are not required to believe the material but learn it. She said the focus should always be on the scientific content.

Concerning the origins of the earth and man, Hamilton asked whether in America there is a conflict between religious factions and scientific factions. “Some religious factions think so,” she replied. She said there is actually more debate between different religious views than between religious and scientific viewpoints.

Hamilton also questioned Princehouse as to her experiences with eighth-graders, her knowledge of concrete and abstract ways of thinking, and whether the context in which Freshwater was using the materials would affect her opinion of the appropriateness of their content. She said it would not.

“Do you believe the giraffe, woodpecker, dinosaur and dragon handouts are religious in nature?” asked Hamilton.

“Yes.”

“To attack evolution?”

“To discourage people from taking evolution seriously.”

There was no redirect by Millstone and the hearing was adjourned until 9 a.m., Wednesday, Jan. 14.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2009 09:01 am
@wandeljw,
The woodpecker argument was one that, although its backfired on the creationists sveral thousand times, is still brought up (its amazing how dumb the Creationists must believe their constituents are).
The woodpecker story is thus:
Consider the woodpecker, its tongue, so wound up and coiled about its brain MUST have been the result of an Intelligent Creator. This was mantra,until several ornithologists from Cornell's bird dept got working on woodpeckers of the world and all the birds in the Picidae family. It turns out that many of the woodpecker genera located in several landmasses ,have widely different arrangements of the "longue tongues". and the tongue arrangements clearly show an adaptive arrangement based on whether the peckers were from NA, Asia, or Africa.

We can follow the development of the tongue structures quite nicely. This doesnt make the Creationist argument at all. Yet they keep digging it up as if nobody is reading the real stuff.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2009 09:03 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
Princehouse gave a detailed analysis of handouts Freshwater has given his students over the years. Some of the topics involved include giraffes, woodpeckers, dragons and dinosaurs.

Dragons. That was great. Smile

Who is this Freshwater guy? I'm not familiar with what is going on in Ohio. Is this the guy who was accused of burning a cross into a kid's arm?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2009 10:17 am
Science standards in education are under serious assault by the religious lunatic fringe in Ohio, and i am always relieved to see intelligent, well-informed people fighting the good fight to block the infiltration efforts of the god squad.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 08:15 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Science standards in education are under serious assault by the religious lunatic fringe in Ohio, and i am always relieved to see intelligent, well-informed people fighting the good fight to block the infiltration efforts of the god squad.

What caused the "anti-intellectualism" which underpins creationism, to start in US society?

It seems that back in the sputnik years every US kid wanted to work their way off the farm and go work for NASA. Then through the 70's and 80's any kid that wanted to work for NASA was just a geek or a nerd. What happened?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 05:30 pm
@rosborne979,
There's a famous book which is said to answer that question. Bernie often recommended it to A2Kers. I have read it myself. It is in my library. Chap called Hofstadter wrote it. It isn't bad.

I can't think how to put it in a short post but maybe anyone interested in a proper answer might do well to check it out.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2009 07:44 pm
@Setanta,
Pennsylvania was similarly assaulted in the early 2000 period (with the atate board of education fights that led to the redesign of science standards that are a curse to the CRetinists and IDjits. Then came Dover, where the IDjits tried to mount a fight, then gave in and ran back to Seattle, leaving their minions to swing in the wind. I wish the same for OHiYa.
When it was all over, the IDjits have been crying about how they really won a moral victory in Dover, interspersed with cries of FOUL or how really unimportant this was in light of their wedge. They are fun to watch in their excuse building .
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 10:09 am
NEW SCIENCE EDUCATION CONTROVERSY IN MISSISSIPPI

Last week a state representative in Mississippi introduced a bill requiring a disclaimer on every textbook teaching evolution. If passed the bill would go into effect July 1, 2009. Here is the text of the proposed bill:
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MISSISSIPPI LEGISLATURE

2009 Regular Session

To: Education; Judiciary A

By: Representative Chism

House Bill 25
AN ACT TO REQUIRE THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION TO INCLUDE CERTAIN LANGUAGE EXPLAINING THAT EVOLUTION IS A THEORY IN THE INSIDE FRONT COVER OF CERTAIN PUBLIC SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS; AND FOR RELATED PURPOSES.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI:

SECTION 1. The State Board of Education shall require every textbook that includes the teaching of evolution in its contents to include the following language on the inside front cover of the textbook:

"The word 'theory' has many meanings, including: systematically organized knowledge; abstract reasoning; a speculative idea or plan; or a systematic statement of principles. Scientific theories are based on both observations of the natural world and assumptions about the natural world. They are always subject to change in view of new and confirmed observations.

This textbook discusses evolution, a controversial theory some scientists present as a scientific explanation for the origin of living things. No one was present when life first appeared on earth. Therefore, any statement about life's origins should be considered a theory.

Evolution refers to the unproven belief that random, undirected forces produced living things. There are many topics with unanswered questions about the origin of life which are not mentioned in your textbook, including: the sudden appearance of the major groups of animals in the fossil record (known as the Cambrian Explosion); the lack of new major groups of other living things appearing in the fossil record; the lack of transitional forms of major groups of plants and animals in the fossil record; and the complete and complex set of instructions for building a living body possessed by all living things.

Study hard and keep an open mind."

SECTION 2. This act shall take effect and be in force from and after July 1, 2009.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 12:19 pm
@rosborne979,
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What caused the "anti-intellectualism" which underpins creationism, to start in US society?


A form of "anti-intellectualism" is usually present in any fundamentalist, literalist religion. Such religious movements are opposed to an open, free education because they subscribe to the principle of revealed truth, and do not want anything taught which will conflict with that, nor do they want children to be taught to question any authority, lest they question religious authority. This is nothing new, and i've know religious fundamentalist who will openly state that they are opposed to not simply education, but to reading any book but their bible.

I can't answer your question about a radical shift in public attitudes in the 1970s and -80s because i don't in fact know it to be true.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 12:24 pm
@wandeljw,
Them boys down in Em-eye-ess-ess-eye-ess-ess-eye-pee-pee-eye are gonna run into a whole lotta trouble if anyone takes them to court. These statement: ". . . some scientists present as a scientific explanation for the origin of living things." and "Evolution refers to the unproven belief that random, undirected forces produced living things." are false statements, and can be shot down with laughable ease in court. A theory of evolution concerns itself with process, after life already exists. It is not concerned with origins.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 03:03 pm
@Setanta,
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A form of "anti-intellectualism" is usually present in any fundamentalist, literalist religion.


As it is a more or less ubiquitous phenomenom that is hardly surprising. Anti-intellectualism often appears in anti-IDers posts. There are certainly no intellectuals in the anti-IDers team. Not a sight or sound of an intellectual. Not a one of them has the nerve and thinking nerve is not required to be an intellectual is a fundamentally anti-intellectual position. As is thinking you can settle, once for all, this fraught 150 year long debate with a few badly written assertions and a sprinkle of non sequiturs.

What it is is that a handful of bozos think they can pose as scientific intellectuals simply by taking the side they do and restricting the discussion to what they want it restricted to. By my standards, and I'm an amateur, they can hardly read or write.

I see nothing wrong with the statement to be placed in the books. It constitutes a victory for anti-IDers IMO. The fundamentalist, literalist religionists object to the books being in the schools in the first place. What will anti-IDers demand if they get the statement removed. No church goers in science teaching. Win that and it will be no church goers in schools. Win that and you're in N Korea.

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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 03:12 pm
And Mozart's La Finta Semplice is on, now, on Sky Arts 2 with naked ladies. Real nice tits. Bigger than that adolescent one at the Superbowl.

And why not? An intellectual has no objection.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 03:24 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Them boys down in Em-eye-ess-ess-eye-ess-ess-eye-pee-pee-eye are gonna run into a whole lotta trouble if anyone takes them to court. These statement: ". . . some scientists present as a scientific explanation for the origin of living things." and "Evolution refers to the unproven belief that random, undirected forces produced living things." are false statements, and can be shot down with laughable ease in court. A theory of evolution concerns itself with process, after life already exists. It is not concerned with origins.


I agree. Someone needs to talk sense to the Mississippi legislature so that they will actually defeat the proposed legislation.

The last sentence in the proposed sticker advises students to: "Study hard and keep an open mind." I thought that was a nice touch. Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 04:19 pm
@wandeljw,
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Someone needs to talk sense to the Mississippi legislature


Well send them an e-mail wande. Don't leave it to the abstract "somebody". It's not much of a recommendation for anti-ID if all they do is say "somebody should do something" about whatever it is they happen to be whinging about at the time.

You could get your Claque on it. You all talk sense don't you. Then, who better? If the other side are out picketing and you lot are sat on your arses calling upon "somebody" to do something it is obvious who has the most of what it takes. You could form a pressure group. The folks in the legislature got off their arses. We elect people who do that rather than those who sit on them. We select them in.

You come over as puritans wearing a science badge as an emblem.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 05:27 pm
@wandeljw,
There already is a contingent from the NCSE and the AAUP and the Bio and Geo depts from Ole Miss. (a real college does exist in Miss). The wagons are already out of the barn, I was checking with a colleague this weekend after Shira had "scooped you" on another thread.

The issue that will carry the day for the most part has nothing to do with the accuracy of evolution and its evidence. Rather, the AAUP has bundled up as much information about the costs for the DOVER case. several newspapers may or may not carry this news as the legislature begins any deliberations.

With the inflammatory and inaccurate presentation language of the proposed legislation, it wont be difficult to do a "line" on the chances of this case to make it beyond any summary judgement.

It turns out that summary judgements to not necessarily fall under any stare decisis precedent dicta. The cases can automatically be brought again or the conditions under which the case ws brought may be repeated and result in yet more cases until at least one gets fully adjuticated.

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There are many topics with unanswered questions about the origin of life which are not mentioned in your textbook, including: the sudden appearance of the major groups of animals in the fossil record (known as the Cambrian Explosion); the lack of new major groups of other living things appearing in the fossil record; the lack of transitional forms of major groups of plants and animals in the fossil record; and the complete and complex set of instructions for building a living body possessed by all living things.

I feel sorry for all these legislators who, by having their heads so far up their asses, cannot see the beautiful sunrises over the Natchez Trace.
Theh only way that those particular questions could not be answered is if the authors of the textbooks were from Oral Roberts U.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 06:56 pm
@farmerman,
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There already is a contingent from the NCSE and the AAUP and the Bio and Geo depts from Ole Miss. (a real college does exist in Miss). The wagons are already out of the barn, I was checking with a colleague this weekend after Shira had "scooped you" on another thread.


You can bet on it effemm. With their secretaries and research assistants in tow in nice hotels and getting photo ops and sound and video bites on local media. Maybe national. I bet they couldn't hold them back. With taxpayers money too which they are very concerned about as well when it's their tax.

Are they fighting among themselves yet effemm?
 

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