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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 09:40 am
@farmerman,
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apparently my experiment investigating the nature of contrarianism was successful.


It was a response to your contrarian post. "Sloppily" and "sucks" were your words.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 09:47 am
@spendius,
And that "hate" of the first draft looks well coming from someone who shoves the most sloppily written first drafts at us on a production line basis.
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Shirakawasuna
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 06:30 pm
@gungasnake,
Ah, the ignore list, the easiest way to spot a coward.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 06:34 pm
@Shirakawasuna,
I'll agree with that Shira,
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 09:31 pm
@gungasnake,
Honesty never was your long suit.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jan, 2009 10:03 am
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Smoke and Mirrors, Whales and Lampreys: A Guest Post by Ken Miller
(Discover Magazine Evolution Blog, January 2, 2009)

One of the enduring fantasies of the intelligent design (ID) movement is the notion that it might have won the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial if it hadn’t been consistently “misrepresented” in testimony by witnesses from the scientific establishment. Even worse, they point out, when their own heroes like Scott Minnich and Michael Behe attempted to correct those Darwinist distortions, Judge Jones, that liberal, ACLU-friendly activist, paid no attention.

More than three years after Kitzmiller v. Dover, Discovery Institute spokesman Casey Luskin is still trying to win the case. During the trial itself, from which Discovery stalwarts William Dembski and Steven Meyer conspicuously withdrew, Luskin stood just outside the courtroom, spinning the day’s testimony for any reporter willing to listen. Casey’s still spinning, and now he’s doing his manful best to resurrect one of Behe’s favorite arguments for “irreducible complexity” (IC), the vertebrate blood clotting cascade. The culprit in its demise at the Dover trial, of course, was me. But according to Casey, my testimony was nothing more than “Smoke-and-Mirrors.”

Here’s what he says:

1) The Mirror: According to Luskin, I misrepresented Behe’s arguments (from Darwin’s Black Box) by pretending that they were “essentially identical” to those found in the ID textbook Of Pandas and People. They aren’t, according to Luskin.

2) The Smoke: Luskin claims that I then used that misrepresentation of Behe’s position to state that ID requires the entire blood clotting cascade to be irreducibly complex. Since Behe, according to Luskin, had actually limited his argument for irreducible complexity to a “particular segment” of the cascade, that’s simply “wrong.”

3) Then, another Mirror: Therefore, according to Luskin, any claim that the absence of three components of the cascade in the puffer fish refutes ID is absolutely false.

4) Finally, the Rehabilitation: Behe’s actual ideas, according to Luskin, center around an “irreducible core” of components essential for the clotting reaction. Luskin argues that the core idea, which supports the intelligent design of the system, has stood up brilliantly under scientific scrutiny.

The scientific reality, of course, is entirely different. First, there’s a perfectly good reason why I compared the clotting treatment in Pandas to Darwin’s Black Box. They are indeed nearly identical, and that’s because Behe himself wrote both of them. Second, Behe actually did state that the entire pathway is irreducibly complex in Darwin's Black Box. Casey might have skipped over those pages, but I didn’t. Third, as a result, the absence of any components of the cascade in any organism is indeed a direct contradiction of Behe’s formulation of ID. And finally, even Luskin’s “irreducible core” has fallen apart as the result of the most recent research findings on the system.

Casey seems to forget " or to ignore " the fact that Behe has never even attempted to do any scientific research to show that he is right. He ignores the fact that ID’s critics have produced a boatload of research showing Behe to be wrong while Behe himself has done no research on the system that might support Luskin. As a result, his attempts at rehabilitating the clotting cascade as an “icon” of ID are a complete failure. So, for the umpteenth time, let’s go through this again.

Here are the details, one at a time.

1) The Mirror? The essence of Luskin’s argument is that my testimony on the opening days of the Dover trial misrepresented Michael Behe’s position on the irreducible complexity of blood clotting. I supposedly did this by falsely conflating Behe’s arguments with those in the ID textbook, Of Pandas and People. According to Luskin, Behe’s actual arguments (from Darwin's Black Box) are “much more precise.” To be specific, in Darwin's Black Box, according to Luskin, Behe limited “his argument for irreducible complexity to a particular segment of the blood-clotting cascade.”

The interested reader might begin by comparing pages 141-146 of Pandas to pages 81-97 of Darwin's Black Box. As you will see, the books show the system in identical diagrams (p. 143 and 82, respectively), clearly indicating that both were derived from a common source. That source, of course, was the author of both passages, Michael Behe.

More to the point, these matching diagrams show at least 16 different factors in the cascade. Both books then use these complex diagrams to frame the essence of the clotting argument in nearly identical language in both passages: All of the parts have to be present simultaneous for the system to work. Here’s how he put it in the two books:

“When the system is lacking just one of the components, such as anti-hemophilic factor, severe health problems often result. Only when all the components of the system are present in good working order does the system function properly.” [Pandas, p. 145]

“… none of the cascade proteins is used for anything except controlling the formation of a blood clot. Yet in the absence of any one of the components, blood does not clot and the system fails.” [Darwin's Black Box, p. 86]

Writing in both books, Behe describes that as problem for evolution. Although the narrative style differs, the meaning of both passages is identical. Pandas notes similarities between some of the clotting proteins, which could be interpreted as evidence of common ancestry. However, it waves away that possibility by stating: “that even if this were the case, all of the proteins had to be present simultaneously for the blood clotting system to function” [Pandas, p. 146].

In Darwin's Black Box, the same issue is addressed this way: “The bottom line is that clusters of proteins have to be inserted all at once into the cascade. This can be done only by postulating a ‘hopeful monster’ who luckily gets all of the proteins at once, or by the guidance of an intelligent agent” [p. 96].

In summary, there is at best only one difference between the two treatments, a passage found on page 86 of Darwin's Black Box: “Leaving aside the system before the fork in the pathway, where details are less well known, the blood clotting system fits the definition of irreducible complexity. … The components of the system (beyond the fork in the pathway) are fibrinogen, prothrombin, Stuart factor, and proaccelerin.” [Darwin's Black Box, p. 86]

By ignoring this important difference, according to Luskin, I had misrepresented Behe and misled the Court. Behe clearly stated that the system contained just those parts past the “fork” in the pathway. How dare I pretend otherwise? Oh, the dishonesty!

So, where did I get the idea that Behe’s argument for ID actually included the whole system, just like Pandas’s treatment? Easy. Unlike Mr. Luskin, I read Behe’s whole book " including the parts before and after page 86, and I took Michael Behe at his word, as you will see.

2) The Smoke? The claim that Michael Behe meant to include only a handful of components from the cascade in his “irreducibly complex” system would come as a shock to anyone who has actually read Darwin's Black Box. Behe describes the system in great detail, asking us to consider the whole system in all its complexity, including each of its 16 different components. In fact, Behe emphasizes how critical each and every component of the system is, pointing out that the absence of certain factors (VIII and IX) cause potentially fatal human diseases (hemophilia A and B, respectively). But then, just as Luskin points out, on page 87, he suddenly seems to retreat, limiting the system to just four factors (fibrinogen, prothrombin, Stuart factor, and proaccelerin). So any suggestion to the contrary is unfair to Behe and ID, right?

Not so fast. Just keep reading. He doesn’t actually limit his “irreducible core” at all in the way that Luskin now pretends. Instead, on the very next page [p. 87] he discusses the hopelessness of evolution being able to change even a “slightly simplified system” gradually into a “complex, intact system.” Why? Because adding even a single step to the pathway is beyond the range of evolution. As Behe puts it, “From the beginning, a new step in the cascade would require both a proenzyme and also an activating enzyme to switch on the proenzyme at the correct time and place.” Then he drops the bombshell that Luskin seems not to have noticed (or, at least he wasn’t willing to tell his readers about): “Since each step necessarily requires several parts, not only is the entire blood-clotting system irreducibly complex, but so is each step in the pathway.” [Darwin's Black Box, p. 87]

Got that? The “entire blood-clotting system” is “irreducibly complex,” and “so is each step in the pathway.” Which Michael Behe should we believe? The pre-Dover trial one who described the whole magnificent system as an argument for ID? Or the one who flip-flops to a tiny core of just four proteins? Or the one who flip-flops again a page later, and once again says that the “entire blood-clotting system” and each of its steps are irreducibly complex?

I wasn’t blowing any “smoke” when I characterized Behe’s views as pertaining to the entire clotting pathway in both books. What I was actually doing, unlike Luskin, was taking Behe’s claims in their totality. Behe really did argue that the whole system is irreducibly complex, and that it would be impossible for evolution to add so much as a single step to it. That’s why I testified to the effect those missing clotting factors in the pufferfish were a fatal blow to Behe’s argument. And so they are. The only mirror I held up to the Court was the one that reflected Behe’s own written arguments in Pandas and DBB.

3) The Judge? Luskin seems surprised that the Judge paid no attention to Behe’s attempts to “correct” my testimony on this point. After all, isn’t the blood-clotting argument in DBB more carefully qualified than the one in Pandas? Well, it may be. It certainly is more detailed, since it is intended for readers a bit older than your average 14-year-old.

But there is something very strange, and even distressing, about Luskin’s contention that the obvious failings of the arguments in Pandas are somehow less important than the ones in DBB. Why is it OK to give high school readers an argument about the irreducible complexity of the entire cascade that you know to be false (as Luskin admits), just as long as you modify that argument in another book? Luskin seems to have forgotten that the Dover trial was about an issue much more important than the fate of ID…. It was about what should be taught to high school science students. And, in that respect, the arguments in Pandas were the ones that really mattered. And those arguments, as my friend Casey Luskin has implicitly admitted in his first web posting, were completely wrong. Too bad he didn’t spin that message at the trial.

4) An “Irreducible Core?” Here’s where things get really, really interesting. Luskin maintains that the “irreducible core” is a “long-standing concept within ID thinking,” and argues that this concept is well-supported by current research on the system. Well, is it? Does the blood-clotting system really contain an “irreducible core?”

Not even close. Luskin’s own sketch of that core highlights seven (count ‘em) components in that core. Those seven components are:

Tissue Factor
Factor VIII (Antihemophilic Factor)
Factor X (Stuart Factor)
Factor V (Proaccelerin)
Factor II (Prothrombin)
Factor XIII (Fibrin Stabilizing Factor)
Fibrinogen

According to Luskin, these form an “irreducible core” without which blood clotting would not be possible.

Once again, ID fails, and the culprit isn’t a liberal judge, the ACLU, or even a slick-talking smoke-and-mirrors biology prof. It’s nature itself, in the form of a collaboration between a nasty little beast called the lamprey (Petromyzon marinus), and a pioneering scientist who has spent his career working out the evolution of the clotting cascade. That scientist is Russell Doolittle of the University of California at San Diego Diego (which, as it happens, is the very same university where Casey got two degrees in Earth Science while simultaneously founding and managing his creationist “Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness” [IDEA] Club).

His 2008 paper [Doolittle et al, 2008] reports on a careful search through the lamprey genome. The lamprey, as luck would have it, has a perfectly functional clotting system, and it lacks not only the three factors missing in jawed fish, but also Factors IX and V.

Now, Luskin could object that Factor IX wasn’t part of his “core,” but Factor V certainly was. And, as Behe pointed out at length, the absence of factor IX causes potentially-fatal hemophilia in humans, which was part of his argument for the irreducible complexity of the whole system. The lamprey genome does contain a single gene, somewhat related to Factor X and Factor V, but not identical to either. As the paper’s authors put it: “In summary, the genomic picture presented here suggests that lampreys have a simpler clotting scheme than later diverging vertebrates. In particular, they appear to lack the equivalents of factors VIII (or V) and IX, suggesting that the gene duplication leading to these factors, synchronous or not, occurred after their divergence from other vertebrates.” [p. 195]. To make things even worse for Luskin’s “core,” a previous study from Doolittle’s lab [Jiang & Doolittle, 2003] had already shown that the bits and pieces (protein domains) of most of the clotting factor proteins are present in a primitive, invertebrate chordate. This is exactly what one would expect from an evolutionary trajectory leading to the current system in vertebrates " the assembly of a complex pathway from pre-existing parts.

So, what are we left with? Nothing more than a vain attempt to pretend that ID’s collapse in the Dover case was the result of misrepresentation and deception. For Mr. Luskin and his employers at the Discovery Institute, the generation of sound and fury continues, but in scientific terms, their continuing noise signifies nothing more than the utter emptiness of their failed ideas.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jan, 2009 11:27 am
@wandeljw,
The argument boils down to the IDers claims that "only an Intelligent being can make a species (or a process)" . As Miller says elsewhere, this assertion supports the very existence of an "Intelligent being" so long as the assertions can be shown to be true.

So if a lack of scientific evidence is proof of the existence of the Intelligent Being, the counterpoint is also true: A successful scientific explanation is an argument against the Intelligent Being.. This reasoning is much more dangerous to the IDers existence than it is to science.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jan, 2009 12:08 pm
Thanks again to Wandel for his tireless efforts.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jan, 2009 02:41 pm
@Setanta,
It is difficult to imagine why Set would say that because the presence of wande's post, and its contents, are proof that this case is still hotly disputed after all this 150 years and thus undermines his basic position that it is all cut and dried according to the scientific principles he happens to have found out a little about and which you can look up at any library if you need proof.

What possible reason could there be for this vast debate to last so long and be so strenuously contested except that it directly impinges, unlike any other aspect of science not appertaining to the human being, on areas of deep sensitivities. Where is the debate on any other topic taught in school science classes concerning anywhere in non-human life or inorganic matter.

And it has nothing, nothing, to do with blood clotting cascades or anything else discussed at Dover. NOTHING. It's to do with Sex, Money and Death.

Otherwise it would have been settled in 1860. With disputes about which pre-historic bone became the funnybone of modern times. The pre-historic bone having been dug up by a research team on porkies out in the wilds shagging their assistants and having to be monitored by the Embassy staff in case they get into a scrape.

Give me another explanation of the DEBATE. It sells stuff eh? That's a definite runner. Wood pulp for instance.

It's a lightly greased pole with footholds. And the top is not very high.

The real deal was Jindal's Law. He was elected.

There is obviously more to it all than a Flying Spaghetti Monster. To think otherwise enables thinking to run on the spot which must be why anti-IDers posts are literary (sic) versions of that sublime activity. At least a sloth hangs out on the spot.

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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jan, 2009 05:19 pm
@farmerman,
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The argument boils down to the IDers claims that "only an Intelligent being can make a species (or a process)" . As Miller says elsewhere, this assertion supports the very existence of an "Intelligent being" so long as the assertions can be shown to be true.

So if a lack of scientific evidence is proof of the existence of the Intelligent Being, the counterpoint is also true: A successful scientific explanation is an argument against the Intelligent Being.. This reasoning is much more dangerous to the IDers existence than it is to science.


Not at all. The IDers who claim that "only an Intelligent being can make a species (or a process)" are simply those IDers who claim that. I have never claimed that.

The IDers effemm has in mind so conveniently are covenient to him precisely because they claim that and their claim is easily disputed. He likes an easy ride. He likes his sitting ducks. He can't get his head round the idea that this debate is so powerful for a good and valid reason. Hence he won't even look at the real questions. The sociological questions. He wants you all on geology. Then he can strut his stuff.

Mr Miller, and effemm, and everybody else, know that the assertion cannot be proved. Nor disproved. Not ever. effemm may well have hopes but they are wishful thinking.

The second paragraph is balderdash. We all know that a successful scientific explanation is an argument against the Intelligent Being. Obviously. Sheesh!! It is just that there won't be one forthcoming. Ever. And it is intellectual arrogance of the highest order to think there might be let alone will be. Pie in the sky. The real thing.

Human nature does the rest. Once the gap is there it is exploitable with religious thinking and has been so exploited by every culture known and in many different forms. The best exploitation being the most successful one and, and here I have an opinion which I can't prove, our's, the Christian project, is the most successful. And the hope of the world. The only hope many theologians of early Christianity thought.

The blood clotting cascades are ludicrous. They are merely ridiculous attempts to justify casting off Christianity's disciplines for selfish reasons or excuses to be at the centre of the talk show for 15 minutes faking being a scientist. And being feted by those who also want to justify the casting off of Christian disciplines.

How many species or processes are there? The processes in one gnat are unimaginable. The processes involved in one vineyard producing a certain wine equally so.

That position is not in the slightest danger and neither is science. It welcomes science but with humility. It is only against the arrogance of science.

The mad scientist is just as much a cliche as the dimple-cheeked Blackpool landlady pegging her bloomers out.





fungotheclown
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2009 08:43 pm
@spendius,
It's been a long time since I posted, but I'm back.

Spendius, I'm kind of troubled that you think that there will never be a successful scientific explanation for the origin of species. A man named Charles Darwin published just such an explanation almost 150 years ago! Evolution, and specifically neo-darwinism, successfully explains how complex processes and constructs can arise, and indeed are inevitable, once an imperfect replicator such as a gene is created. If you are interested in learning more about this theory, and how it can explain complex processes or behaviors, I recommend reading The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2009 08:59 pm
@spendius,
The IDers who claim that "only an Intelligent being can make a species (or a process)" are simply those IDers who claim that. I have never claimed that.


You have never been specific enough to let folks know what are the nuts and bolts of your claims, which is why you aren't taken more seriously.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 10:16 am
TEXAS UPDATE

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Final draft on science standards pleases scientists, watch groups

(By MATT FRAZIER, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, January 2, 2009)

The final proposal for the state’s science curriculum pleases scientists and watch groups, who say it will help protect Texas public school classrooms over the next decade from what they call "watered-down science" " specifically during the instruction of evolution.

Much of the concern over earlier versions of the proposed curriculum centered on a requirement that students be able to analyze the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories, a phrase which some say is being used by creationists " including some members of the State Board of Education " to subvert the teaching of evolution.

But with the "weaknesses" requirement removed and a new definition for science, the new plan makes it clear that supernatural explanations like creationism and intelligent design have no place in public classrooms, said Dan Quinn with the Texas Freedom Network, an Austin-based nonprofit group that opposes religious influence on public education.

"The old standards were so vague, people can interpret them any way they want to," Quinn said. "It’s a very important move forward that says teachers and curriculum writers are unanimous in wanting our kids to get a 21st-century education."

Educators removed the "weaknesses" phrase in their first draft of the science curriculum. After a public hearing that attracted more than 200 speakers, the phrase was back in the second draft, but "weaknesses" was changed to "limitations."

The third and final draft says students should be able to analyze and evaluate scientific explanations. There is also a new requirement that students should be able "to evaluate models according to their limitations in representing biological objects or events," but it would take a mind-boggling leap for anyone to interpret that as applying to evolution, Quinn said, particularly when viewed through the plan’s new definition of science.

The old definition " which included phrases like "a way of learning about nature" and "may not answer all questions" " has been replaced with a definition from the National Academy of Sciences. It states that science involves using evidence to form explanations and make predictions that can be measured and tested. It also warns that questions on subjects that cannot be scientifically tested do not belong in science.

Don McLeroy, the state board’s chairman, has said that science should admit the possibility of the supernatural when natural explanations fail. But he has also said that he is not trying to put creationism in public schools.

Board members who supported teaching the strengths and weaknesses of evolution could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

In the end, the wording in the final draft may not matter because the board is not required to use it. In May, the board threw out a teacher-suggested language arts curriculum in favor of another that some board members have said they had only an hour to read before voting on it.

The state board will hold a second public hearing Jan. 21 and is scheduled to take a final vote on the new science standards in March.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 03:03 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
You have never been specific enough to let folks know what are the nuts and bolts of your claims, which is why you aren't taken more seriously.


The hypotheses that the psychosomatic realm exists and that emotional states, assuming the existence of such things, affect cell function and social organisation. I have stated it often enough.

That you can't apply mechanical views of things to life. La Mettrie, who I have mentioned numerous times as the anti-IDers first martyr to no effect, they have denied him, claimed that, indeed, not only could you apply mechanical views to life but that you had to to be scientific. But even then the mechanics could have been designed.

And the could creates a space for religion to operate and religion can be used, for good or ill, to create emotional states which are then subject to evolutionary laws. It is also an evolutionary law that if there's a space for an organism to get a living there will be an organism in residence. That why we wash behind our foreskins. Unless water is in short supply. In cases like that religion can give force to instructions having a physical effect. Such as forcing employers of labour to give the workers a day of rest on the day of the Lord.

I don't think the pyramid builders got a day of rest.



What can I do if people cant read my posts. Or won't.

When anti-IDers are prepared to take a view on those I might take them seriously.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 03:23 pm
@fungotheclown,
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Spendius, I'm kind of troubled that you think that there will never be a successful scientific explanation for the origin of species. A man named Charles Darwin published just such an explanation almost 150 years ago! Evolution, and specifically neo-darwinism, successfully explains how complex processes and constructs can arise, and indeed are inevitable, once an imperfect replicator such as a gene is created. If you are interested in learning more about this theory, and how it can explain complex processes or behaviors, I recommend reading The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.


Look fungo- I'm not a bad reader. " once an imperfect replicator such as a gene is created" does not sit at all next to anything like an "origin".

I have no intention of reading Dawkins. He is certain to have used the same trick possibly being careful to snow his readers into thinking he hasn't. It isn't as if he is having a tough time under the Christian dispensation. 3 wives already and we all know what speaking tours are like with pantsdowners. Or I thought we did. What harm has God done him?

I see him as pandering to those who need some justification for throwing off Christian discipline; generally in the sex and money arenas.

fungotheclown
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 03:41 pm
@spendius,
Spendius, your responses do a great job of showing just how ignorant about evolution you are. First, evolution doesn't claim to show how life was created, but how complex life came from simple life, all the way back to the first simple DNA molecules (the imperfect replicator of which I spoke) floating in the primordial soup. Secondly, the book I recommended doesn't touch the matter of religion, but rather explains evolution on level of the gene rather than the organism, and is considered to be one of the premiere books on the subject. Maybe you would be a little more knowledgeable on evolution if you wouldn't dismiss important works in the field because you disagree with the other views of author.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 04:36 pm
@fungotheclown,
Look fungo-- I'm not saying anything about evolution. That's simple stuff.

Evolution is being used to discredit religion. This debate wouldn't be happening otherwise after all this time. As far as I'm concerned the mechanics of evolution are off topic.

That's why you prefer arguing with YECs. They are not on Ignore.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2009 08:04 pm
@wandeljw,
It will all boil down to funding . With Obama taking the oath on Jan 20th, he has already been pushing for his "STEM" programs that , he says, will be enhanced funding levels specific for the mass education in Science , Technology ,Engineering, and Math.

Soon, state boards like Texas will have to stand on their own merits , what without any further support by the "ID friendly Bush regime". Im predicting that the ID crowd will burrow beneath their rocks for another 8 years while Obama's science policies get a chance to undo all the misery afforded by Bush and his "creationist Cronies". I believe that the wasted time now given to the IDjits and "anti stem cell kooks" , will soon end in a whimper, and will be senescent for another period of time. If you recall, all the times that these fringe science beliefs were successful, were in less enlightened times.

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Shirakawasuna
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2009 04:16 am
edgarblythe wrote:
You have never been specific enough to let folks know what are the nuts and bolts of your claims, which is why you aren't taken more seriously.


My sentiments exactly... and notice his reply, going off into babble on psychosomatic phenomena, etc, etc.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2009 09:33 am
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