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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 05:07 pm
@spendius,
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They use this sort of language because it makes them feel like tough he-men
I have known some very tough men and they can say entire sentences without posturing like these two buffoons. I see them as little boys in a toilet. Maybe they will be tough enough to smoke.....
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 05:17 pm
@spendius,
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One has to wonder why Setanta isn't campaigning for the abolition of elections if he thinks "specialists" are the answer
But Spendi, he is campaigning against elections.....what is the point of trying to run other people down, get yourself declared a specialist by other clowns if at the end of the day you are just a person ? They must kill democracy as it is the only solution for them to get more power. They say things like it is for the greater good...ordinary people dont understand the problem....they are doing it for others....meritocracy is a pack of self-serving clowns who want more power.

We now have a low ranking geologist and a failed history student telling people they know enough about science, education and religion to qualify as experts. And experts are superior people, devoid of bias and the baser parts of the human condition.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 05:24 pm
@Ionus,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpyESMA3FwA

Look at the mystical science formuli floating around in this ad.

It has been banned by the British Advertising Authority for being "misleading"
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 05:26 pm
@Ionus,
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Maybe they will be tough enough to smoke.


Nah. Chaps under the domestic cosh don't smoke Io. It stains the wallpaper.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 06:13 pm
@spendius,
and the lungs
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 07:14 pm
@spendius,
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It has been banned by the British Advertising Authority for being "misleading"
I dont know why they think it is misleading...pretty girls never lie....
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 05:55 am
@Ionus,
How about this one Io.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mAtvRA4MBA

Just look at the science. Really impressive eh?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 08:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
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and the lungs


I suppose that must be conceded but it is known that the lungs of third parties are stained by the exhaust fumes of the well-seasoned international traveller and they are very often the lungs of those who are too young or too poor to travel. The smoker, if a polite person, only stains his own lungs and bears with patience not only the contempt of the readily indignant, self-righteous lung puritan but also the impositions of onerous taxations which contribute significantly to the welfare of society.

But it is well established scientifically that the inhalation of the smoke of some herbs is beneficial to the imagination and other aspects of brain function and results in a style of communication with others which, in its range and modes of expression, is entertaining for them and which produces a degree of inventiveness which the unaided brain is incapable of.

The non-smoker is obviously unaware of those benefits and is so deficient of understanding that he is unable to even appreciate that they exist.

Thus, the non-smoker, denies his companions those delightful and useful advantages in the service of dragging out his insignificant life and of being a constant and unremitting drain on the economic efforts of the young for as long as maybe and of inflicting his boring, unimaginative and futile mannerisms upon them for a similar amount of time and all the while remaining blissfully and self-complacently ignorant of the considerations involved so that he might concentrate on the only matter remaining to him: the perpetuation of himself and the capacity of his pristine lungs to bore the arse off everybody he comes across which then makes it necessary for him to seek solace in short-term superficial relationships which he encounters on his travels with others of the same ilk and which are what make travelling such a wearying and tiresome business.

Francis
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 08:30 am
@spendius,
Even if it's not true, it's well conceived (Si no è vero è bene trovato)..

I recognize myself in such an accurate description but, alas, it doesn't wake in my unimaginative and futile mannerisms any whims of redemption...
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 08:55 am
@Francis,
Doubt the "vero" also - the illusion of redemption may constitute a stealth challenge to teaching evolution. Lasciate ogne speranza voi ch'entrate.
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:12 am
@High Seas,
That should be hell (Inferno)..
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:13 am
@High Seas,
Blimey--I'm getting Dante chucked at me now and some Etruscan proverb.

Chi si alza sarà abbassato e chi si abbassa sarà innalzato.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:31 am
@spendius,
I was quite surprised HS when you ran off at the sight of my Dictatorship of the Proletariatess post.

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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:32 am
@Francis,
It is indeed - the idea is to start as low as possible in hopes of qui se exaltat humiliabitur et qui se humiliat exaltabitur Smile
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:36 am
@spendius,
Spendi wrote:
Chi si alza sarà abbassato e chi si abbassa sarà innalzato.


I'm not used to you quoting the bible:
Quote:
Luke 14:11 (New International Version)
11For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:46 am
@Francis,
That's 3 of us now quoting from the Bible on an evolution thread - I say we make ourselves scarce before Wandel gets on our case Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 10:01 am
The sometimes Professor Emeritus of English and Comparative Literature at the University of Geneva (1974–1994), Professor of Comparative Literature and Fellow at the University of Oxford (1994–1995) and Professor of Poetry at Harvard University (2001–2002) George Steiner, opened his famous essay Real Presences (Is there anything in what we say?) with this--

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We still speak of 'sunrise' and 'sunset'. We do so as if the Copernican model of the solar system had not replaced, ineradicably, the Ptolemaic. Vacant metaphors, eroded figures of speech, inhabit our vocabulary and grammar. They are caught, tenaciously, in the scaffolding and recesses of our common parlance. There they rattle about like old rags or ghosts in the attic.
This is the reason why rational men and women, particularly in the scientific and technological realities of the West, still refer to 'God'. This is why the postulate of the existence of God persists in so many unconsidered turns of phrase and allusion. No plausible reflection or belief underwrites His presence. Nor does any intelligible evidence. Where God clings to our culture, to our routines of discourse. He is a phantom of grammar, a fossil embedded in the childhood of rational speech. So Nietzsche (and many after him).
This essay argues the reverse.
It proposes that any coherent understanding of what language is and how language performs, that any coherent account of the capacity of human speech to communicate meaning and feeling is, in the final analysis, underwritten by the assumption of God's presence. I will put forward the argument that the experience of aesthetic meaning in particular, that of literature, of the arts, of musical form, infers the necessary possibility of this 'real presence'. The seeming paradox of a 'necessary possibility' is, very precisely, that which the poem, the painting, the musical composition are at libert to enact.


There's your ID. Your whole way of thinking, communicating and feeling. And no amount of crude insults from the likes of you lot have the power, the reach or the courage to lay a glove on it.

Mr Steiner provides two quotes to begin his essay.

Quote:
Proofs weary the truth.


Georges Braque

Quote:
When you are philosophizing you have to descend into primeval chaos and feel at home there.


Wittgenstein.

Setanta and fm are scared of anything unless it is a railway timetable.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 11:21 am
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 11:44 am
@wandeljw,
The phrase "breathtaking inanity" comes to mind. I was listening to this exchange and was amazed at how much of an ignorant dipshit she is. They lowered the background sound level a lot on the clip because after she announced about how teching ID was in the Constitution, the audience began to hoot and laugh. She looked like a deer in the headlights after that.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2010 11:46 am
@farmerman,
I couldn't take it after about mid way.
 

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