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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 12:37 pm
@spendius,
spendi, "Ruler of the earth" is an oxymoron. Nature is superior to any god or living thing. It has to do with the relationship of the sun to earth, and the earth's environment.

There are many suns and earth-like planets; whether they hold any kind of life is still being investigated. The general consensus is that there are. Wouldn't it be ironic of they had human-like organisms on other planets, but didn't create gods, and lived a "natural" life.

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 12:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Excuse me ci. I need to roll on the floor, out of the door, up the lane, round the back of the spinney, come down by the lower meadow and onto the public footpath laughing my arse off.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 01:22 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

UPDATE ON STUDY PUBLISHED IN BIOLOGY LETTERS JOURNAL
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Darwin wrong—again??
(Jerry Coyne, Why Evolution Is True Blog, August 26, 2010)

You may have seen a small flurry of reports this week about a science paper showing that “Darwin was wrong.” The paper wasn’t a creationist or ID screed, however—it was a paper in a good science journal (Biology Letters) by a crack team of paleontologists from the UK and Canada (Sarda Sahney, Michael Benton, and Paul Ferry). What did the paper say? Did it really show that Darwin was wrong? I’m here to answer your questions.


Regardless of what the actual article says/means, I'm sure it will be seized upon by the Creationist community as yet another blunt weapon in their war against reason.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 01:25 pm
@rosborne979,
I'm sure . . . blunt instruments are all they can command in the way of actual knowledge . . .
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 01:29 pm
@Setanta,
Yet a blunt weapon is all you need to herd the flock.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 01:38 pm
@rosborne979,
Ever thought what an unherded flock might look like. What will anti-IDers herd us with? Dictats? Assertions? Megaphones? Press releases? Sharp instruments?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 01:45 pm
Anyone who wants an education of the sort these anti-IDers are in favour of wants their bumps reading.

Imagine thinking such turgid and cliched irrelevancies as Setanta and ros must have been thinking to type those drivellous posts and then have the bloody nerve and effrontery to submit the fuckers. On a science thread too.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 02:29 pm
@spendius,
Have you accomplished your "trip" yet?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 03:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That's a silly question.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 03:58 pm
@spendius,
No more silly than what you said you would do.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 04:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What was that?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 04:45 pm
@spendius,
That you would stuff your head up your own ass.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 05:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I've already tried it ci. It's no good. Obviously you haven't discovered that yet.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:49 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
when I teach, you learn.
You have no idea what you are talking about. This is another case of "what is a cloaca"...worked that one out yet ? Big mistake for someone who dreams of ****.

What I said was reasonably accurate.

Quote:
the environments were rapidly changing around them so they evolved or went extinct.
This will go down with your great understanding of DNA. That statement is garbage like the rest of your posts.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:50 am
@farmerman,
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Competition among species seems to be absent in the fossil record
Dont stop there...explain exactly what else is wrong with the fossil record.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:53 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
I'm sure it will be seized upon by the Creationist community as yet another blunt weapon in their war against reason.
So supporters of Darwin use reason and it is a war. Which side were you on again ? It is difficult to tell.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:35 am
In order to provide a little more treasure from the gold-quote-mine, which has stood the evolutionary test of surviving for much longer that wande's quotes will, put this on your CVs.

Quote:
But mark, madam, we live amongst
riddles and mysteries -- the most obvious
things, which come in our way, have
dark sides, which the quickest sight can-
not penetrate into ; and even the clearest
and most exalted understandings amongst
us find ourselves puzzled and at a loss in
almost every cranny of nature's works ;
so that this, like a thousand other things,
falls out for us in a way, which tho' we
cannot reason upon it, -- yet we find the
good of it, may it please your reverences
and your worships -- and that's enough
for us.


(Tristram Shandy. Volume IV. Chapter XVII.)

Oh dear--the anti-IDer is the psychological type which thinks itself as possessing the "quickest sight" and owning a "clear and exalted understanding" and able to "reason" upon anything. Thus, it cannot tolerate riddles and mysteries and pretends such things don't exist and despises those who not only can tolerate them but welcome them as colour in life's rich picture and as the source of all art. Anti-ID is anti-art. It attempts to circumvent such desolation by patronising "art" shops and using the various products as status symbols in gatherings characterised by mutually reassuring small talk.

And its ambition is to get everybody into the same hole it cannot stop digging.

And I proved that it doesn't even understand its own national football game and has not the faintest idea of its economic arrangements.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 07:35 am
ALBERTA CANADA UPDATE
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Bill 44: Parental rights measure welcomed and feared
( By Renata D'aliesio, Calgary Herald, August 29, 2010)

CALGARY -- Calgary mother Maria Doll thinks schools should mainly stick to teaching the three Rs - reading, writing and arithmetic - and leave lessons on religion and sexuality for parents to lead.

With one child nearly finished high school and another about to start Grade 8, there have been times Doll felt educators didn't properly notify her before these sensitive topics were discussed in the classroom.

Doll hopes she won't be kept in the dark again about her children's education, now that parental rights will officially be entrenched in the province's human rights law this week. As of Sept. 1, parents will have strengthened authority to pull their children out of lessons on religion, human sexuality, and sexual orientation.

"When it gets into areas of thorny issues of religious values, I'm the primary educator of my child. I don't want the school to do something that's contrary to my beliefs," explained Doll, who practices the Roman Catholic faith, but elected to enrol her children in the public school system.

"Hopefully, there will be more notifi cation for parents to decide if they want their children to sit in on those particular lessons or not."

While Doll and many other Alberta parents are welcoming this Canadian first, opponents of the controversial measure - which sparked fierce political debates and protests at the legislature last year - worry the new rules will create a chilling effect on teachers and water down classroom talk.

"Discussion in the classroom is very unpredictable. Teachers, at some points, have to steer it one way or another," noted Marilyn Sheptycki, president of the Alberta School Councils' Association, which represents parents.

"We don't want to see teachers having to stifle that good conversation."

Another concern for organizations representing school councils, teachers and school boards is the potential for educators to face human rights complaints. Parents will now be allowed to complain to the province's quasi-judicial Human Rights Commission, if they feel they weren't properly notified about a school lesson.

Heather Welwood, president of the Alberta School Boards Association, hopes this won't be the case. She's urging parents to resolve disputes over notification with their children's teachers and principals.

So is Alberta Education, which crafted guidelines to shepherd strengthened parental rights into the school system.

Schools were already required to advise parents in advance of sex-education classes, giving them the opportunity to opt-out their children.

This school year, that notification and opt-out option will expand to courses that primarily and explicitly deal with religion or sexual orientation.

If parents don't want their children to partake in learning about these three subjects, they can request in writing to have their youngsters excluded from the lesson and connected assignments without academic penalty.

Alberta Education has identified nine courses that will require notifi cation, including studies on religious ethics, parenting and aboriginal spiritual views.

Science courses on evolution will not require notification, but teachers and school boards are required to evaluate other instructional material to determine whether parental rights apply.

"It's about . . . making sure open communication is happening there and parents are aware of what's being taught in the classroom," said Alberta Education spokeswoman Kathy Telfer.

Notification requirements don't apply to incidental or indirect references to religion, sexuality or sexual orientation.

Alberta Teachers' Association representative Dennis Theobald said the union is concerned disputes may arise in grey areas, such as in language arts courses, where a novel may contain subject matter touching on religion or sexuality.

Still, he said teachers are being encouraged to not water down classroom discussions.

"It's important that teachers don't walk into their classrooms in September and find themselves guided by an irrational fear of what this bill might mean," Theobald said.

More than a year after Bill 44 was passed in the legislature, the Liberals and NDP continue to call on the Stelmach government to scrap the addition of parental rights in the Human Rights Act.

Calgary Liberal MLA Harry Chase, the party's education critic and a former teacher, contends the Conservatives have placed a "political club" over teachers' heads. He suspects the new rules will also negatively impact students. To what degree won't be known until the school year unfolds, Chase added.

Calgary mother Doll, however, believes enhanced parental rights will benefit students.

The Canada Family Action organization also supports strengthening parents' role in education, although the group has concerns about broadening the mandate of the Human Rights Commission.

The traditional Christian organization is advocating that parents solve disputes at the school level, instead of launching human rights complaints, said spokesman Nathan Cooper.

"If they want what's best for their child, they're going to have the best possible relationship with the teacher and principal," Cooper said.

"I don't think dragging all three of them before the Human Rights Commission is an ideal scenario by any stretch of the imagination."
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 08:49 am
@wandeljw,
What a meaningless farrago of nonsense that is wande.

We all know the "opt out" trick.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 10:14 am
@wandeljw,
I know that during our generation of "growing up," our parents never talked about sex. We also were required to site the pledge of allegiance to the flag with "god" in it.

When we learned that our local school district was going to introduce a sex class, we welcomed it for our kids.

I'm not sure when and what happened to the pledge, but our two kids do not belong to any religion.
 

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