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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 06:17 am
@wandeljw,
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The district’s legal fees would have paid the annual salaries and benefits of several teachers or provided badly needed upgrades for educational equipment, such as computers. The dollar amount does not include the cost of the hearing referee.


As I have been saying all along it has nothing to do with kids. It's adults fighting over money and power. A lawyer's benefit bonanza. **** education.

Same at Dover.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 07:36 am
@wandeljw,
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• Reckless action for placing an electrical device intended to test laboratory gases on students’ arms. Freshwater said he used the electrical device, a Tesla coil, on more than 900 students during his 20-plus-year career to illustrate electricity. But he said the Tesla coil never was forced on a student, that he never marked religious crosses on students and that only one student ever complained. WHen I was in school, we had a Tesla coil available in each class. The teacher would demonstrate its wokings and wed do the math . Everyone who wanted, could get near it and play with the charge (Same thing with a van de Graaf).Im not sure that this is grounds for dismissal since TEsla coils have been around since TEsla

• Insubordination for refusing to remove a Bible from his desk. Bible, schmible, what did he do that was in violation of the establishment clause?

• Violating the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution for displaying various religious materials, including posters of the Ten Commandments, in his classroom. We used to get posters from the blast -aid guys with a picture of Jesus in a hard hat holding a squib that had its sides dented and the shunt removed. the Poster said "What would Jesus Do"?
Implying that Jesus would be safe with esplosives. I gavce several HS earth sci teachers this poster and they hung em in their classes. Still, in my mind, not a "Hangin Offense"


• Breaking rules governing the role of teacher-monitors at Fellowship of Christian Athletes meetings. Im not sure I understand this one but if its like the others above, Im thinking its weak



What the hell has this case got as a proveable bunch of evidence. I remember when it started , we were all quick (me included) to hang this guy. NOw , The more I see the compined evidence I want to puke at the school district for wasting money.
They are bitching in the article about the waste of money . Now that it looks like(to me anyway) that the case is without merit, I too wanna know how they took this up in the first place. Usually they review their case evidence and see how much of it actually makes sense before they make these big budgetary decisions. Unlike Dover, where the case was clearly strong and proveable going in. Im thinking that the case theory here ws entirely based on supposition and maybes.
In Dover, the school board was the defendent of an establishment clause violation, here the school board is the plaintiff but its trying to make the connection to the establishment clause. This one aint gonna go down into the books with Epperson Aguillard or Kitzmiller.
SOmetimes even the side of truth and science fucks up.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 07:40 am
@farmerman,
I was trying out some color variables so that when i insert a comment into a post I can do it without resorting to DAves Billious Pallette of frightening and insane colors. Which of the above colrs are most readable without being too startling? Too many choices , not enough direction.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 07:44 am
@farmerman,
Blue, maybe? (I have color-poor vision. I see color differently than the average person).
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 07:47 am
@farmerman,
Actually ,at Dover, the case really needed to be taken up because , no matter how Judge Jones would have ruled (especially if he ruled in favor of the school district who made the requirements pushing ID) the case would have gone to the SUpreme COurt . SInce the case stopped at Judge Jones (Nobody of the asshole elemnt wanted to spend any more to take this on appeal to a higher court), it became a done deal for the third district. The only thing needing "stitching up" in Dover, is to have the decision made country-wide by a national court decision.

I think Mr Freshwater may walk and thus provide another opportunity to for the IDjits to modify their approach to merely passive tutorials rather than open advocacy.

We shall have to wait and see, its only Monday.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 07:51 am
@wandeljw,
You like the first blue? Its more of a French ultramarine. I thought it was easier on the eyes yet stood out enough so that it merely complemented the post.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 08:57 am
@farmerman,
I like the first blue although I do not know exactly what ultramarine looks like.

The average person can distinguish hundreds of tints, whereas I have trouble identifying all the colors in a standard box of eight crayons. When I was a child, I used blue and violet crayons as if they were the same color. I also used green and brown as if they were the same color. It was later explained to me that when red is combined with another color I "tune out" the red and only see the other color.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 09:03 am
@farmerman,
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What the hell has this case got as a proveable bunch of evidence. I remember when it started , we were all quick (me included) to hang this guy.


Incorrect. I didn't. Anti-IDers do tend to go off in a gushing rush.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 10:40 am
@wandeljw,
Bummer Wandel. SO you didnt catch any of that stuff between RP and me about the Flyers uniform colors going from a rose madder to a vermillion?
French Ultramarine is a purplish (warm) blue. I know thats sort of a contradiction but it works for me.
The top of the sky in a western scene is always a french ultramarine while in the east its a sort of cyan.

I hope You realize Im just bullshittin you about the color names



ANyway, the point was that I didnt wanna use colors like DAve does (orange and screaming greens) when I edit a post and add some seriatem comments. Im getting tired of the posts where everyone just quotes a small chunk of a paragraph and then responds to that small chunk as if it were the complete thought. KnowhatI mean?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 10:47 am
@spendius,
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Incorrect. I didn't.
THe ineffable happens. We are again reminded of how spendi is a bleedin genius. I think he should jut go and eff himself and get it over with.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 11:21 am
@farmerman,
I am sure that some of the colors you talk about actually exist. I know from other threads that you do some painting.

Later in life, I found out that color-blindness has a neurological basis (how the brain interprets what it sees). My brain "tunes out" a color that is mixed with another color (most consistently, the color red).
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:55 pm
@farmerman,
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THe ineffable happens. We are again reminded of how spendi is a bleedin genius. I think he should jut go and eff himself and get it over with.


Such ignorant blustering bombast is inappropriate on a science thread fm. It assumes a stupid audience for a start. It is mere heckling.

You wrote--

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we were all quick (me included) to hang this guy.


Which was incorrect. I couldn't just assert it was incorrect because I might catch your bad habits on account of how easy assertions are. So I gave the evidence. "We" weren't quick to hang the guy. You were.

I wasn't prematurely ejaculating on the Freshwater case. The ladies have taught me that such things are bad mannered and lead to a lack of invitations which in turn leads to the ball and chain.

In fact I'm working on an essay to explain the case to you but it is rather difficult as some of the concepts involved are not easy for dimwits to understand. I'll simply say for now that it is a typical Faustian psychological tragedy although from the kid's point of view a Classical one if it is true that almost a million dollars has been wasted, which could have been used for their benefit, by people who claim to be acting in their interests.

The simple fact that it needs a referee shows how Christian it actually is. What do referees have to do with struggles for existence? You're looking for the argument from authority which you claim to despise when the authority doesn't suit your egotistical purposes. And you laud it when it does. Subjectivity groundbase dressed up in flummery.


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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 04:52 am
There is new buzz about life on Titan in today's news. In an article, they speculate and then say it is too soon to speculate.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:22 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

There is new buzz about life on Titan in today's news. In an article, they speculate and then say it is too soon to speculate.

Typical Smile
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 06:33 am
A new essay by Michael Ruse:
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Charles Darwin and Adolf Hitler: Rethinking the 'Links'
(Michael Ruse, The Huffington Post, June 8, 2010)

You could make a good case for saying that Intelligent Design Theory (IDT) started two and a half thousand years ago with Socrates, because it was he who first thought up the Argument from Design to prove the existence of God. The world is too complex and functional to be the product of blind, unguided laws of nature, the argument goes. Hence there must be another reason, an intelligence that we can call "God." The modern form of IDT started in 1991 with Darwin on Trial by now-retired law professor Phillip Johnson. This was followed later in the decade by Darwin's Black Box, by Lehigh University biochemist Michael Behe, and then by The Design Inference by mathematician and philosopher William Dembski. It was argued that certain aspects of the world, the world of organisms particularly, exhibit an "irreducible complexity" -- the flagellum of bacteria was a favorite example -- that and the only satisfactory explanation is a guiding, intervening intelligence. This argument asserts that the Darwinian theory of evolution through natural selection is just wrong.

IDT is not straightforwardly a variant of traditional American creationism. For a start, although Young Earth Creationists represent supporters of IDT who believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, other IDT proponents, notably Behe, are very comfortable with the generally accepted ages of 15 billion years for the universe and about 4.5 billion for the Earth. However, there are links between IDT and creationism to the extent that some (myself included) refer to it as "Creationism Lite." In a devastating critique, Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design, philosopher Barbara Forrest and scientist Paul Gross showed just how deeply IDT is entwined with an evangelical Christian agenda. Moreover, IDT is pushed as a front for a very conservative social program -- anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-capital punishment, and anti-feminism. (I used to wonder why Phillip Johnson was so obsessed with cross-dressing. I really don't think that Richard Dawkins goes home and slips into a bra and panties. Then someone pointed out to me that the real target is stroppy broads in pant suits -- think Hilary Clinton meeting world leaders.)

IDT has had a somewhat mixed second decade. In the first part of the 1990s it did really well, aided especially by the support of the conservative Discovery Institute, a think tank in Seattle. But then the forces of science started to fight back seriously. First-class books refuting IDT were published, notably Brown University biologist Ken Miller's Finding Darwin's God, which shows just how threadbare are the scientific pretensions of IDT, and Michigan State University philosopher Robert Pennock's The Tower of Babel, which did the same on the philosophical front. As is well known, in 2005 the school board in Dover, Pennsylvania wanted IDT introduced as part of the biology curriculum in their schools; after a much-publicized trial the judge, a conservative Christian appointed by George W. Bush, wrote a scathing condemnation of the board's actions.

However, it would be silly to think that IDT has just curled up and died or gone away. It is still cherished in the hearts of many American evangelicals, and recently it has even been making inroads in the most respectable of circles. For instance, in my own field of philosophy the leading philosopher of religion, just-retired Alvin Plantinga, has long been sympathetic to its claims. (Even though he worked at Notre Dame University he is a Calvinist, which makes his sympathy for IDT all the more surprising given Calvin's insistence on the rule of law down here in God's creation). Now, the no-less-leading social philosopher from New York University, Thomas Nagel, has come out in favor of teaching IDT in schools. He has endorsed a recent book by Discovery Institute associate Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, naming it in the Times Literary Supplement as one of the top books of 2009.

I don't here want to go back over the criticisms of IDT as science. I really just don't see anything new that needs saying on that front. And in an earlier blog I drew attention to what seem to be grave theological problems with IDT. Namely, if you get God involved on an ongoing basis in the creative process, then although He deserves praise for the good things, He also walks right into criticism for the horrendously bad things, like deleterious mutations that cause lifelong suffering and pain. However, I do want to draw attention to a different tactic that is now employed by IDT supporters: trying to tar Darwinian natural selection theory with the sins of National Socialism. There is a direct line, so we learn, from Charles Darwin to Adolf Hitler. As some have tried to pin the blame on Martin Luther, so now the blame is being pinned on the author of the Origin of Species. From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany, by Discovery Institute associate Richard Weikart, is a prime example, although if you go to Amazon.com you will see that there are others. In like vein, the movie Expelled, featuring former New York Times columnist Ben Stein, made the connection a major story theme.

Prima facie, you might think that there is something to all of this. If you look at Charles Darwin's Descent of Man, published in 1871, you will find some pretty conventional Victorian ideas about the races. At the other end, if you look at Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf, you will find some passages that do seem to draw on Darwinian theory: "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."

Now, let me say, speaking now as a historian of ideas, I don't think you can or should say definitively that there are no links. Apart from anything else, something had to lead to Hitler and the Nazis, and if you eliminate Luther and eliminate Darwin and eliminate -- well, you know the tune -- then you end up with no causes at all leading to the horrendous movement that overtook Germany in the 1930s. I would be very surprised if the anti-Semitism of Christianity and the racism of the nineteenth century had no causal role. However, before you rush to conclude that the IDT crew is correct and that significant links can be found between Darwin himself and Hitler, there are a number of points that should be considered.

First, the members of the Darwin family were fanatical anti-slavery campaigners. In the early part of the nineteenth century, when the young Darwin was growing up, this was the family obsession. And it rubbed off on him. On the voyage of the Beagle, he had a horrendous row with his captain, Robert Fitzroy, over slavery in South America. And during the American Civil War he was a strong supporter of the North, precisely because of the slavery issue (many Brits supported the South because of the links with the cotton trade). Descent of Man, for all that it did reflect the concerns of a middle-class Victorian gentleman, was no clarion call to racial superiority. Darwin was explicit that when the races met and (as so often was the case) the non-Europeans suffered, it came not from intellectual or social superiority but because non-Europeans caught the strangers' diseases and suffered and died.

Second, while it is true that many used Darwin's ideas to promote specific social policies, and that some used them to promote aggression -- the pre-World War One German general Count Friedrich von Bernhardi argued strongly for the moral imperative of Germany fighting and destroying competitors -- there were others who promoted very different ideas. The co-discoverer of natural selection, Alfred Russel Wallace, was an ardent socialist and feminist in the name of Darwinism. The Russian Prince Peter Kropotkin argued for anarchy in the name of Darwin. And Vernon Kellogg, associate of then future president Herbert Hoover, argued for pacifism on Darwinian lines. Wars kill the best and brightest and that is biologically stupid.

So you can argue that Darwinism, a bit like Christianity, supported a plethora of quite contradictory positions. This being so then, a bit like Christianity, one might ask just how genuine and important was the support being offered. There was a propaganda value, true. But genuine links are another matter. (I should say that since I am criticizing the IDT folk for thus tying Darwin to Hitler, I am no less critical of Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion tying Jesus to Hitler. The truth, as always, is much more complex than it appears in such simplistic analyses.)

Finally, when you turn to Hitler himself, the story is murky. To put the matter politely, he was not a well-educated man. There is no evidence he studied Darwin's writings or much about them. At most, he was picking stuff up off the street or from the barroom or from the doss house where he lived in Vienna before the War. And when you look at Mein Kampf in more detail, the story seems less straightforward. Just before the apparently Darwinian sentiments quoted above, he wrote: "All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning." What he is really on about is the Jews. Darwin would have been appalled at such a connection.

So take my advice. Reject IDT as bad theology, bad philosophy, and bad science. And while you are at it, reject it as bad history. Charles Darwin was not to blame for Adolf Hitler.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:20 am
@wandeljw,
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Charles Darwin was not to blame for Adolf Hitler.


That's right. Alois Hitler was the likely culprit. It has been disputed though by those who would have Adolf 25% Jewish. Maria Shickelgruber played a part in the way the garden plays a part in making the rows of lettuce and peas. Not really to be blamed at all.

An incident actually. His processing was a long series of incidents all of which he survived. Sometimes against the odds. Surving infancy was difficult enough.

It was not Hitler who formed the idea but the idea that formed him. The 1,000 year Reich and German racial purity. The Jews just happened to be there in numbers and were useful in other ways. He was more anti not German than anything else. A militant nationalist.

The idea took definite form in the French Revolution and with Napoleon. But it originates further back. In the expansion principle of British and other European empires. The Puritanism of Cromwell some argue.

When Napoleon came to power he had no choice but to push the expansion principle further and against competing powers doing the same. Mainly England. Even English styles were overpowering French ones in relation to gardens and parks, feelings over drollery, dress and furniture. Industrialisation, parliamentarianism, business, journalism and urbanisation.

What was being represented was the epochal shift from the Culture proper to Civilisation. As Napoleon intended to replace the British Empire by a French one so Hitler intended to replace all empires by one German one. And the force of destiny was behind the idea which the theory of evolution validates. It is not even an idea. It is a necessity. An empire on which the sun never sets and run from the greatest centre of civilisation yet seen--Paris. And later--Berlin. Now--Washington eh? The triumph of the Civilisation of the great City over the Culture of the countryside.

When cheap agricultural products are advertised without any hint of the countryside in the images and reliance on style-choice becomes absolute; the colour, the texture, the price, the sort of people who consume them and the settings in which they are consumed, then, and only then, will the revolution be complete and the organised economic and military-industrial complex will not just defeat the ecclesiastical-chivalric culture, as predicted by Cervantes, but eradicate it from memory as Orwell explained, in a rather crude way, how to do. Even our kids who think milk comes from supermarkets are ahead of the atavistic backsliders in the advertising industry who can't leave the rustic imagery alone.

With Hitler's defeat he becomes no longer necessary. But the idea lives on in anti-ID despite the sentiments of our dude anti-IDers on here and those we have witnessed from elsewhere.

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I really don't think that Richard Dawkins goes home and slips into a bra and panties.


One has to wonder why Mr Ruse feels the need to make that remark. It's as if he feels that Mr Dawkins slipping into feminine frillies is distasteful or something. Why shouldn't he if that's what he fancies as a consenting adult in the privacy of his home? And Mr Ruse doesn't rule it out.

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The truth, as always, is much more complex than it appears in such simplistic analyses.


I'll agree with that but have to wonder how Mr Ruse can hope to cover the ground he tries to do in so few words without being simple to the point of absurdity in the style of the Setanta school of historical analysis.

The "stroppy broads in pant suits" is a telling point too. The "someone" who pointed that out to Mr Ruse would have understood why my Footballer's Wives posts were on topic.

Perhaps those who are dealing with a stroppy broad in pant suits personally can be forgiven for asserting otherwise.

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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 04:51 pm
@wandeljw,
From lst Friday, June 3. The South Carolina legislature adjourned for the summer and defeated the anti-evolution Bill that had been poking around committee.
Sorry Guys.

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Antievolution bills die in South Carolina
June 3rd, 2010South Carolina
Two antievolution bills, Senate Bill 873 and Senate Bill 875, died in committee when the South Carolina legislature adjourned on June 3, 2010. Both bills were introduced on May 21, 2009, and referred to the Senate Education Committee, where they apparently never received a hearing. Both bills were sponsored by Senator Michael Fair (R-District 6), who spearheaded a number of previous antievolution efforts in South Carolina. With respect to his 2003 attempt to establish a committee to "determine whether alternatives to evolution as the origin of species should be offered in schools," the Greenville News (May 1, 2003) reported that Fair "said his intention is to show that Intelligent Design is a viable scientific alternative that should be taught in the public schools."

A version of the "academic freedom" antievolution bill, S. 875 provided, "Teachers must be permitted to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and weaknesses of existing scientific theories pertinent to the course. ... School governing authorities including, but not limited to, school and district superintendents, principals, and administrators, may not prohibit a teacher in a public school in this State from helping students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and weaknesses of existing scientific theories pertinent to the course." Since 2004, thirty-two "academic freedom" antievolution bills have been introduced; all but one, Louisiana's SB 561/733, failed to pass.

S. 873, however, was apparently unique. If enacted, it would have required the state board of education to "examine all curriculum in use in this State that purports to teach students about the origins of mankind to determine whether the curriculum maintains neutrality toward religion." The bill further provided, "Related to non-religion, the examination must include a review as to whether the curriculum contains a sense of affirmatively opposing or showing hostility to religion, thus preferring those who believe in no religion over those who hold religious beliefs." If the review revealed that a curriculum is not religiously neutral, then the bill would have required that "the offending curriculum must be revised or replaced as soon as practicable

I love it when "Academic Freedom" becomes a euphemism for "hillbilly Science"
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:02 pm
@farmerman,
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I love it when "Academic Freedom" becomes a euphemism for "hillbilly Science"


It has been on these threads for over six years to my knowledge. I assume it went on long before that. I can't see it being some novel breakthrough.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:14 pm
@farmerman,
well, there you go again with your anti hillbilly science screed. I pay my taxes and I deserve fair treatment in the education of my children and I don't like your evolution crap, you're always trying to cram it down our throats and use things like "reason" and "logic" and the "constitution." you should consider my feelings and it just makes me sick to see some guy dressed like a know it all come into the donut shop with an obviously openly carried book by that no good communist atheist Darn. That stuff should be kept locked up (if you must keep it at your home) and away from the eyes of innocent children. There ought to be a law and sooner or later there will be putting and end to this unamerican folderol. you, you're nothing but an asswipe trailer-trash degenerate pig.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:16 pm
@dyslexia,
Somebody" s gotta do it.
 

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