Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

It does very well convey the truth about ros. He must imagine, to say such a thing, that he is not a being in the series of beings but the end term of the series. The final perfected outcome.

And that attitude is pagan. It not only has nothing to do with Western culture but is the opposite to it. It represents a conception which is narrow and provincial but it must be said that it is logical and complete. Like a Greek statue in fact. A bodily presence, static, in the here and now, and its horizons limited by the distance it can see. In equilibrium, which is the only outcome, once it found itself. It has an objective point and it is one which anyone is free to choose according to his fancy.

That ros has chosen running on the spot is not for any of us to criticise because unless the objective point of life has been fixed for all by a myth, or a complex mosaic of myths, the complexity being directly proportional to the felt difficulty of managing a few million devious and selfish ruffians and sluts, and getting the best out of them, too many of us might choose running on the spot in the service of the laws of conservation of energy, i.e. ease of the bone, as ros has obviously done, if only because the other stuff gives him a headache, which I must admit it has the capacity to do, and we would then suffer the same fate as the silly sods in ancient Greece, and, indeed, Rome itself with its Capitol Buildings, its far flung empire, its Senate and a running on the spot set of rules, assuming no outside interference, which is what a written constitution causes.

You, dear reverences and worships, are a member of the "too many" if you align yourself with the view of these matters which ros expressed. As such you are the intellectual justification of the idea of the "End of History" and the notion that we are in the "End Times" which are both quite popular theories in some quarters. The mythless body has nowhere else to go it seems to me. It can only respond biologically and thus any variations to running on the spot are only subject to alteration by evolutionary forces which, in a scientific age, has been forecast to produce a larger head than we have now with a prominent swelling at the well receded receding hairline position (the Egg-head symbol) and an Italian mathematical exactness to its general presentation. (That's a Tristram Shandy joke--see n.5 Vol I Chapter XXIII.

When myths are bullshit the biology is all there is. It is logical and complete except insofar as further shapings are subject to evolutionary forces and no longer under the control of a consciousness. Hence somewhat tedious, not unlike that sense of tedium one gets when one dares to look at a horse stood in a field for longer than that sort of glance which only produces the thought that there's a horse stood in a field and the need to inform everyone else of it.

The tedium conjured up in the thought of the unthinkable number of generations of horses standing around for hours on end not even knowing that they are waiting to get hungry, and of all the ones to come. The horse also has no sense of being a being in a series of beings stretching back into the foggy ruins of time where there were no fences facin' and on into the future. That's why horses have no myths.

Only an arrogant philosopher would attempt to describe what a horse is thinking when it is winning the Grand National in a hard fought finish. It's brilliant the way the commentators make it seem as if its chuffed to ****. And its amazing when you can imagine that it is chuffed to **** at having won due to the auto-suggestiveness of the commentator's rhetoric which is a form of pressure on its owners not to shoot it once it slows down and what hounds of hell will be set loose upon them if they should treat a Grand National winner in such a materialistic fashion. The second they can shoot. "Second is nothing!!" the jockey of this year's winner said before the race. And it costs a lot to keep a horse from when it slows down to when it passes away naturally.

How's that for a myth? Even a few horses enjoy the result of a myth. Such a myth, a sanctity about a horse, also ensures a continuation of contributions, usually in wills, to "horse sanctuaries".

I knew a chap who had a pigeon that had won him a lot of money, and a cup, in a 300 mile race through a storm and he was almost glueing it to its perch before it pegged out. He reckoned he owed it parched peas to the value of half the prize money.

I like myths. And, as you can see, I like bull-shitting too.

When you guys learn to write like that somebody might take some notice of your opinions. And you do learn it.

But you never will reading the third-rate tripe you do now.

So, Gomer, I take it for a self confessed "scientist" there is nothing to be learned from the Bible and that is why you quote to it as bullshit ? Perhaps you think most histories, psychology text books, treatises on morality and ethics are bullshit ? THAT I can believe about you. I do wonder what is your motive in attacking people of faith, Gomer. Are you arrogant, self-centred, or have trouble understanding people, or all of the above ?

It's not that Io. He simply wishes to be his own judge of what's right or wrong. He forgets that his claim justifies everybody else adopting the same policy.

Im arrogant? Well at least I have lesser problems with reading comprehension then you do anus. Lewis Black, an AMreican Comedian, was the one who stated that the Bible was the product of HIS people. A people whose greatest gift was the gift of BULLSHIT. If you wanna sound eloquent (which you dont), argue with him. Im only the reporter.

Theres lots to be learned from the Bible. I dont believe that science is one of them. I really dont know since I dont spend time reading the Bible, Book of Mormon, Quran, Baghvahd Gita or any writings by L Ron or Mother Ann Lee. These are all "revealed" , I dont believe in "Revealed" in science cause we always get fucked by conmen who try to find **** like Noahs clipper.

You wanna spend time, knock yourself out. Ive got a day job that demands results.

Stop being so touchy anus,your gonna invert your cephalon and Ursphincter. Then maybe youll have to start talking out of your mouth.

Where did you find anything that I said anywhere that allowed you to arrive at that conclusion anus? Isit just something you made up again? Feeling inadequate again?

Not people of Faith Anus, just you. I like gettin under your saddle, youre kinda easy to piss off. We used to have a guy here who rose to the lure like an old bass, but alas he went away so you, in turn,have provided me several opportunities to practice my casting technique.

Yes.
I dont care if he was your best boyfriend ever, if you quote him then dont hide behind him and say it is not your fault.
Poor baby.
You are obsessed with my anus. Sheep knocking you back ?
You continually say there is no science in the Bible....that may be true but the subjects I named are all known to exist in the Bible. Maybe you have a chip on your shoulder because there are no rocks (apart from David vs Goliath).
Now see that is worthy of the quote of bullshit. Do you really believe you are arguing NOT to convince religious people of your glory and righteousness ? You think you and science are a God.

You on crack anus? This doesnt even make sense to me, and Ive had much experience and pleasure deconstructing spendi-speak. This truly is , fresh out of URANUS

As usual I have to explain the most basic concepts. Did you quote him because he disagrees with your position ? No ? Perhaps you quoted him because you agree with what he says ? Or perhaps you dont know what is going on and are trying to sound important . Senility can be treated with some success, but you have to admit you have a problem first.

Tell me how I state an opinion here ya moron. Im talking about hogging and sagging on a boat and trying to decipher how Noah "knew " about the problem. I clearly attribute the BULLSHIT statement to Lewis Black. Are you able to dress yourself without nursing assistance?
If you were any dumber anus, wed have to water you each day.

In addition to the problem of hogging, without sails or a very large number of sweeps manned by someone other than a bunch of centuries old geezers, that abortion of a vessel would undoubtedly have broached to and capsized in the first heavy seas it encountered. As a description of a ocean-going vessel, that "Ark" is hilarious. I tend to think of it as the suicide ship.

Im just messin with ANus' self esteem.

WRT hogging .I just found out last week while I was searching something from the MAritime Museum, all about Constitution...

WHen Holmes wrote the ... "tear her tattered ensign down..." poem, The Constitutions diagonal stiffeners had already been removed for 100 years and the ship had begun to hog badly after that 1820 refit. They never actually seemed to put together , the fact that Humphreys design additions had turned the ship into a stiff fast sailing vessel that had incredible gunsighting in heavy seas. All because of the diagonals.
I never knew they actually were so dumbas to remove the stiffeners (and the other fits) just to give a wee more room, all at the expense of its sailability and stability in seas.

The diagonals, which Snodgrass, the marine architect for the East Indian Company copied, and therefore introduced to the Royal Navy, made possible the "super frigates" like Constitution. The English didn't build very good ships--and they knew it, too. There was nothing a Post Captain wanted more than to get the command of a new and newly captured French frigate. They were the acknowledged masters. Humphreys had seen La Victoire when it visited the United States in the 1770s or -80s (it was the ship which the Marquis de La Fayette sailed in), and his designs for the big frigates were based on that, and had the addition of the diagonal scantlings which allowed them to carry the huge spread of canvas which distinguished them. The French built few, if any, frigates rated for more than 40 guns. But Constitution and several of her sister ships, originally built as 38s, proved so stable with the diagonal scantlings that they were "re-rated" to 40s, and then 44s. The English during the War of 1812 claimed that they were razees--which is to say, line of battle ships which had been cut down to a single gun deck. That was sour grapes, though, because it was impossible--the United States had never built a line of battle ship, frigates being the largest warships they had ever built.

I didn't know they had removed the diagonals . . . what a precious pack of idiots. I wonder if they had the sense to restore them when they did that multi-milli0n dollar refit a few years ago.

Do you see the OR in your sentence ? That signifies a choice. You are saying either Noah knew about hogging OR the Bible is the biggest pile of jewish bullshit. Tell us, oh mighty scientist who no-one worships and is jealous of God, which of the two do you support ?

Atta boy ! Just like the farm isnt it Gomer ? You are powerful ! One sheep will live, one sheep will die....Just do something about your senility, would you ? How about mental exercises ? Learn something apart from recognising rocks from sheep.....

...Or was the Bible, AS LEWIS BLACK SAID, A bunch of Jewish Bullshit.

Boy you reeally do have some problems with reading comprehension skills. Do people have to proofread M&Ms for you?

Again, your opinion is obvious yet you deny it. You dont think Noah knew about hogging...you think like Lewis Black that the Bible is a bunch of Jewish Bullshit !! You are a racist and a pooorly educated one. I am starting to collect evidence that your knowledge of science has long faded away. Your inability to comprehend is slipping away from you.

you are a a bullheaded douche bag who is unable to recognize when he makes a mistake and then just compounds his errors by sounding like a blowhard . I wont drag this on any further cause Ive seen how many pages of crap youre able to generate in your recent "conversation" with Jason. Im gonna cut it off and I can be certain that the other readers would rather the subject be explored, not your lack of reading comprehension.

Nighty nite anus.

You Are insane, ya know it?

Your mind is no longer functioning. Of the two alternatives that YOU presented, which one do you believe is true ?

During the Napoleonic Wars, the British commanders of the channel frigates was capturing so many French ships that it was a problem where to stuff them. Admiral Bridport said...

So, it appeared that, from this at least, there wasnt much respect for th French built frigates.
I always thought that Humphreys developed his diagonal riders as a uniquely American development based upon paper models(they werent really scantlings because a scantling has the same x sec dimension as normal ribs or frame wood). His riders lay atop the frames and were keyed into the keelson and not the keel So, in my mind (and Ive never seen Ironsides so I dont know if Im talking out my ass or not) Ive always figured these as imposing into the second gun deck and providing large butts onto the gunwales so that theyd need to be walked around.

When they removed the riders in 1820, the ship hogged like any other and the diagonals werent replaced until AFTER Ironsides was saved from scuttling in the Eastport Me back harbor like all the Civil war ships that were fired on by Virginia. They were gonna give Ironsides an ignomineous death by flaming it like they did the Minnesota and the NEw York. Holmes poem began the restoration and refit. In 1920 they replaced the diagonals (but, I think they are just for show because, like the Liberty bell, noone wants to use the thing even for training.

French diagonals were not placed in the hull cross section but were placed in the overheads and were iron, not oak. (Everybody knows that much European iron was crappy ganguey stuff.
Humphreys specked out that all his features be constructed of springy Live Oak with white oak sheathing. The diagonals , had, in some fashion, to have been installed by massive steaming because the members were fuckin BENT in place. Imagine bending an oak beam thats 12X24 inches in cross section. Id have loved to see the boat yards steam box for those, not to mention the steam trains to bend em afetr they were pulled out of the stem boxes.

All this I only speculate on because Ive never studied the details of Humphreys commissions. (He was a Philly kid ). Ill keep chasing down this stuff.
Sorry edgar, but I love shipbuilding diversions and I think set does also..