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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 03:47 pm
Little kids get tired of kicking the can, aimlessly. Not spendi.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
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Wednesday, September 07, 2005
Bill Gates funds fake research institute by mistake, asks for money back

Bill Gates is reportedly suing the Seattle based Discovery Institute after it refused to return the 10 million dollars donation the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation made to it over a period of 5 years.

As anyone familiar with the whole Evolution / Intelligent Design / Flying Spaghetti Monster controversy knows, the Discovery Institute is a fake research organization dedicated to the propagation of the Intelligent Design "theory", which purportedly tries to prove that man did not actually evolve from apes but was ejaculated by God, after a nightlong session of passionate intercourse with the Firebreathing Galactic Serpent.

Bill Gates, when asked to comment, replied, "Our foundation, as everyone knows, is a philanthropic organization dedicated to the cause of education. I thought we were pledging funds to the Discovery Channel, you know, the one with the irritating Australian prick who sleeps with rattlesnakes and fingers crocodiles to an orgasm. Unfortunately, I sent it to the wrong outfit. Little did we know that our money was going to some two-bit religious quackhouse which makes a mockery out of science and is trying to inseminate theology into an otherwise scientific topic. We, at Microsoft, do not believe in Intelligent Design. We develop all our software in-house, and it's very obvious if you look closely at our software that no Intelligent Design ever went into any of our products."

When asked if his mistake had made his wife, Melinda Gates, angry at him, Gates replied, "Yeah she was pretty mad. You know women, every million dollars mistakenly donated to the wrong research institute is a million dollars less spent on buying shoes. In fact she was so pissed that she just went ahead and upgraded my home computer to Windows XP Service Pack 2. Service Pack 2, imagine that. I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy. Nothing works anymore now. You've got to be pretty mad at someone to punish them like that."

The Discovery Institute has refused to return the 10 million dollar check Bill Gates mailed them, reportedly saying "No. Money like. Money not give back."

In related news, Steve Jobs of Apple Computer, trying to keep up with the Gateses, has started donating money to a new foundation attempting to convert seawater into oil.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:20 pm
@spendius,
How come this article is dated 2005 when the response from the foundation is more recent?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Actually, they're both dated 2005. There's a good summary of the Gates Foundation's donations in Wiki.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:28 pm
@wandeljw,
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At the same time, halfway around the world, scientists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, better known as CERN, were successfully testing the world's largest particle accelerator as they sought to learn more about the universe and its origins.


What does that mean wande? I know it sounds good and all but what would you say it meant? Are they testing the flue the bird dropped the crust of bread into that fused all the terminals together or something and stalled the working hours operations if not the evening activities.

I'll let "halfway round the world" go this time.

The people dishing out the book were not locked inside a security fence with guards and big dogs keeping them safely away from the masses were they?


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:57 pm
@spendius,
spendi, You continue to have comprehension problems. That statement posted by wandel included this:
Quote:
were successfully testing the world's largest particle accelerator as they sought to learn more about the universe and its origins


Scientists continue to seek more information about our environment and its origins, because the human species is curious about our life on this planet. It's called the expansion of knowledge; something that seems to escape you.

spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm curious about life on this planet as well ci. How it works, how it fits together and how a wriggler evolved into an organism that spent the day watching a Test Match in South Africa whilst snowed in from a sofa on a 47inch LG screen with surround sound and being served cups of tea, coffee and more solid nutrient by another organism.

Worrying about the ******* universe is an excuse to divert the mind of wimps from worrying about things like that. Repression Freud called it. Running around sniffing drainpipes and reciting the alphabet to avoid taking a good look at yourself.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:47 pm
There's a headline in one of our leading journals of the record tomorrow reading--BBC PROBES BIAS IN SCIENCE COVERAGE.

I've not read the article but I gather that a bunch of liberals, abortionists, adulterers, pill takers, wankers and assorted homosexuals have infiltrated the BBC and have tailored the science coverage to suit their personal peccadilloes.

I like kicking cans Ed.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:54 pm
@spendius,
spendi, You left out "beer drinkers" in your list.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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How come this article is dated 2005 when the response from the foundation is more recent?


How would I know ci? Maybe you are a bit behind where the action is.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They drink wine ci. They have wine bars. They are dotted all around the streets near the BBC's offices which you can't get into without permission. That's where the bias is cooked up.

They are not normal people you know. Working in mass media does something to people's heads. I think it gives them the illusion that they don't have bottoms.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:12 pm
@spendius,
It must be pretty deflating for them when they get the squits whilst networking in Tuscany during the hols.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 07:11 am
@spendius,
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It must be pretty deflating for them when they get the squits whilst networking in Tuscany during the hols.
He speaks Klingon.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 07:36 am
@farmerman,
I should have said "the shkuuuuweeeeeeeeets" I suppose
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 09:49 am
@farmerman,
He is Klingdon.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 10:14 am
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Footprints show creatures moved from water to land earlier than thought
(Hannah Devlin, The Times, January 7, 2010)

A reappraisal of ancient footprints discovered in Poland suggests that creatures emerged on to land from the sea much earlier than previously thought.

The tracks, believed to be the oldest footprints ever discovered, date to 395 million years ago, long before the emergence of dinosaurs. They are likely to have been left by a large crocodile-like creature.

Previously the earliest evidence for fully walking four-legged creatures, known as tetrapods, dated to 360 million years ago. The “fishapod” fossil Tiktaalik, the skeleton of which shows both fish and amphibian features, dates to about 375 million years ago.

“This is a spectacular finding,” said Phillipe Janvier, a palaeontologist at the National Museum of Natural History in Paris. “When I saw it, I was reminded of the first footprint of man on the Moon in 1969.”

Tetrapods were thought to have rapidly evolved from fish via an intermediate stage, such as Tiktaalik, which had a tetrapod-like head and body shape but retained many fish characteristics such as paired fins instead of paws.

The latest findings, published in the journal Nature, show that fish must have begun to morph into land-dwellers much earlier than assumed and that the transformation was much slower.

The tracks suggest that they were left by a 2.5m (8ft) creature resembling a stout crocodile. However, unlike the modern-day crocodile, the ancient creature appears to have held its body up from the ground as there is no trace of it being dragged along. It may have been closer to a dog in terms of posture.

The tracks are in the Holy Cross Mountains in southeastern Poland, which 395 million years ago was a coastal region. Their discovery in rocks that teemed with marine fossils suggests that the first amphibians came out of the sea rather than freshwater marshes as had been widely assumed.

The tracks were first spotted in 2004 by the geologist Zbigniew Zlonkiewicz. Unaware of the age of the rocks at the site, he attributed them to dinosaurs.

It was not until the tracks were re-examined by palaeontologists at Warsaw University that it became clear that they were not dinosaur tracks but belonged to some of the earliest tetrapods. Simultaneously, the husband and wife team of Katarzyna and Marek Narkiewicz published work dating the age of the quarry by examining microscopic fossils embedded in the rocks.

“It was very exciting when we realised how the two pieces of work fitted together and that what we were looking at were the oldest-known footprints,” said Marek Narkiewicz, of the Polish Geological Institute in Warsaw.

While the sea of the Middle Devonian age housed a vigorous ecosystem, including fish, scorpions and crabs, the land by contrast was relatively barren. It is not clear why fish emerged from the water but one possibility is the incentive to escape competition. “It may have been easier for some fish to come out of the water and eat their prey peacefully by the shore where they wouldn’t get hassled,” Dr Janvier said.

The tracks appear to have been left by a number of different-sized individuals, although it is not clear whether these belonged to different species or simply to adult and juvenile creatures.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 10:25 am
@wandeljw,
Blimey wande!! It must be a bad news day.

I can't imagine an intelligent person reading that without giggling. Possibly uncontrollably.

Well done Hannah. I bet she sucked the end of her pencil a lot writing that load of tosh. Casting couch by-lines are all the rage here.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 12:56 pm
@wandeljw,
ScienceDaily: Your source for the latest research news and science breakthroughs -- updated daily

Science News

Fossil Footprints Give Land Vertebrates a Much Longer History

ScienceDaily (Jan. 7, 2010) "

The discovery of fossil footprints from early backboned land animals in Poland leads to the sensational conclusion that our ancestors left the water at least 18 million years earlier than previously thought. The results of the Polish-Swedish collaboration are published online this week in Nature.

"These results force us to reconsider our whole picture of the transition from fish to land animals," says Per Ahlberg of Uppsala University, one of the two leaders of the study.

For nearly eighty years, palaeontologists have been scouring the planet for fossil bones and skeletons of the earliest land vertebrates or "tetrapods" -- the ultimate progenitors of all later amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals including ourselves. Their discoveries have suggested that the first tetrapods evolved relatively rapidly from lobe-finned fishes, through a short-lived intermediate stage represented by "elpistostegids" such as Tiktaalik, about 380 million years ago. But there is another potential source of information about the earliest tetrapods: the fossilized footprints they left behind. In the new study a Polish-Swedish team describe a rich and securely dated footprint locality from Zachelmie Quarry in Poland that pushes back the origin of tetrapods a full 18 million years beyond the earliest skeletal evidence and forces a dramatic reassessment of the transition from water to land.

The trackways show that large tetrapods, up to three metres in length, inhabited the marine intertidal zone during the early Middle Devonian some 395 million years ago.

"This means not that not only tetrapods but also elpistostegids originated much earlier than we thought, because the position of elpistostegids as evolutionary precursors of tetrapods is not in doubt, and so they must have existed at least as long," says Per Ahlberg.

The elpistostegids, it seems, were not at all a short-lived transitional stage but must have existed alongside their descendants the tetrapods for at least 10 million years. The environment is also a major surprise: almost all previous scenarios for the origin of tetrapods have placed this event in a freshwater setting and have associated it with the development of land vegetation and a terrestrial ecosystem.

"Instead, our distant ancestors may first have left the water in order to feed on stranded marine life left behind by the receding tide," says Per Ahlberg.

End of article

While this may trigger our resident troll's giggle reflex (which is only another troll comment as it requires someone intelligent to actually giggle according to it), his posts trigger the gag reflex.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 02:51 pm
@Lightwizard,
One has to think of all the science books which have taught us that our ancestors left the water at least 18 million later than this new science has claimed. If an 18 million year period 380 million years ago is of significance to classes of grade students then the error is proportional to the significance in seriousness.

If we now have to reconsider our whole picture of the transition from fish to land animals then these science books are self-evidently bad science and should be immediately withdrawn from circulation to avoid students being taught 18 38oths of a load of bollocks. And really, when you think about it, 18 million years is a very long period of time even if 380 million years is far longer.

When we see humans evolving under the Christian dispensation in just a few hundred years from a situation where there was constant threat of famine despite 95% of the population working in the fields with hoes to one where counters in shops groan under the weight of thousands of novel confections pleading to be purchased and where only very few people who are interested in the error being discussed even know anybody who works on the land and if they do it is with a combine harvester then it is self-evident to me which dispensation is the more important and deserving of the most attention and that those who wish to distract attention from it with matters of little or no significance are obviously determined not to lend a hand in its further development and the social consequences regarding that development.

When Veblen said that status accrues to those who put the greatest distance between themselves and useful work he could well have had in mind those lucky people who for 80 years have been have been scouring the planet for fossil bones and skeletons of the earliest land vertebrates or "tetrapods" on allocations, possibly corrupt ones, of taxpayers funds. I imagine he might have felt that writing articles for money about the findings was a parasitical activity and that discussing the articles for no money was a total madness but of such a harmless nature that it is socially acceptable to giggle at it.

In my opinion the word "dramatic" is completely inappropriate as is the inconsistency of representing quantities with both words and numbers on the same page of script. If one is going to say "three metres" one ought to say three hundred and eighty million years as the latter gets the author to the required allocation of words the editor is paying for faster and with less effort.

And what can one say about the previous scenarios for the origin of tetrapods having placed this event in a freshwater setting and having associated it with the development of land vegetation and a terrestrial ecosystem except that it a load of bollocks even if it is in all the school science libraries and high marks have been given for regurgitating it in exam papers.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 03:12 pm
@wandeljw,
I'll take their word for it wande that the Holy Cross Mountains in southeastern Poland were, 395 million years ago, a coastal region but how many other coastal regions were there at that time on earth and what was happening in all the others.

Science is not dependent upon studying somebody's favourite or more convenient prehistoric coastal region.

How do we know whether or not the sea was infested with life originating on land.

From what I can gather a high proportion of female grade students are unable to boil an egg and make some soldiers to dip in the yolk.
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