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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:16 am
@Lightwizard,
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PSXXX asks a stupid question


I ask a lot of stupid questions for the very simple reason that everytime I ask a question you can't answer you declare it stupid. Thus the number of stupid questions I ask is directly proportional to your inability to answer questions and as that is the usual situation I must, perforce, ask a lot of stupid questions.

Wor a numpty!! What a scientist!! What an educator!! What a twat!!!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 10:51 am
The Brit twit calling the twat black. There's an entire site Bill Gates just donated to purveying all the ID nonsense anyone would want to know and all the names, including now Bill Gates added to George W. Bush and Bill Frist, who advocated ID/Creationism taught alongside evolution in schools. Being drunk or hungover is not going to help -- it will not mean if you ask a stupid question that's it's exactly like a teenager asking for homework help and is told they can search for it themselves. You are one lazy bloke.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9008040/
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 12:22 pm
@Lightwizard,
I beg your pardon Wiz. I thought you said in science classes. I'm not entirely sure how far the phrase "alongside evolution" can be stretched by politicians but anybody with any scientific sensibility would assume it was far enough for him to avoid attaching any significance to it?

If a disapproval of bullying is taught alongside evolution it would present extreme intellectual difficulties to those engaged in it. There are a number of other behaviour patterns which it is thought right and proper to inculcate disapproval of in young minds which are grossly inconsistent with the evolutionary principles One might go so far as to say that evolution theory justifies bullying absolutely. It offers no alternatives. Hitler's bullying of certain minorities was rationalised by that very idea.

When are you going to get it into your head Wiz that you designating ID "nonsense" is neither here nor there. It is the demand for such things in the population that you need to address as fm nearly pointed out the other day. ID might well be the only way of controlling far more extreme variations of nonsense. Atheism can't. And evolution theory actually justifies them.


farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 12:36 pm
@spendius,
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ID might well be the only way of controlling far more extreme variations of nonsense. Atheism can't. And evolution theory actually justifies them.
Lets not teach physics to anyone because someone may use that information and invent an atomic bomb? Is that where your addled mind is going in your remonstrance of high school curricula?

Lets all just sit around the cave and pick lice out of each others scalps as we wait for someone to discover fire.

Remember , spendi accepts scientific discoveries, he just wants to jealously guard all knowledge from those he feels are "unworthy" to recieve it, and , to him, that includes all kids in public schools.

Besides hating women, spendi hates kids and the future. He pines for the days when the sun spun around the earth . He;s like Wile E. Coyote, who, after chasing the roadrunner off a sheer cliff, does not actually plummet to his death, until he realizes that hes in mid-air.



farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 12:47 pm
Ill bet a farthing that Bill Gates donations to the Discovery Institute were actually borne of proximity. After all, hes a big rich guy who lives in the shadow of the same volcano as Discovery. Id feel better if I could find that Billy had targeted his gift to Dsicovery with some caveats , like the money must be spent NOT in the furthering of IDjicy.
Otherwise, yeh, I too would wonder about his motives in spreading universal ignorance about biology.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 12:54 pm
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The Gates Foundation responds that it hasn't abandoned science to back intelligent design. Greg Shaw, Pacific Northwest director, explains that the grant to Discovery underwrites the institute's "Cascadia Project," which strictly focuses on transportation in the Northwest. The Discovery Web site lists several program goals, including financing of high-speed passenger rail systems and reduction of automobile congestion in the Cascadia region, which encompasses Oregon, Washington and British Columbia. (The Gates Foundation, which is based in Seattle, gives a small slice of its money -- about $40 million in 2004 -- to groups that aim to improve life in the Pacific Northwest.) Poor transportation is a key problem for low-income families, Shaw says, and "when Cascadia came to the Foundation, there was a sense that there had not been a regional approach to studying transportation. Cascadia's plan to solve the transportation problem "was very much a bipartisan state, local and regional approach with a variety of states and counties and mayors." He didn't know if people at the foundation were aware of Discovery's I.D. work at the time they decided to fund Cascadia. "It is absolutely true that we care about sound science as it pertains to saving lives," he says. "The question of intelligent design is not something that we have ever considered. It's not something that we fund."


Source: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/08/26/gatesfoundation/index.html
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 12:55 pm
@farmerman,
Billy really screwed things up by himself when he spends billions trying to help children's physical health around the world, but throws a curve with his IDiocy by supporting non-science that pushes back education.

His name and foundation in support of the Discovery Institute has already done its damage. Back-tracking now isn't going to help.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 01:00 pm
@rosborne979,
Doesn't change my opinion of Gates but certainly clarifies the entanglement with the DI organization. Just don't get "Discovery Institute" mixed up with "Discovery," a science magazine and multiple cable and satellite broadcaster. This was obviously their intent when they picked out a name for their sham.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 01:04 pm
@rosborne979,
Makes me feel a bit better. However, someone on his staff is redfaced Id bet.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 01:18 pm
@farmerman,
That's the result of myopia; they failed to do their homework properly.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 01:31 pm
@farmerman,
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Lets not teach physics to anyone because someone may use that information and invent an atomic bomb? Is that where your addled mind is going in your remonstrance of high school curricula?


Ridiculous. Physics is not taught in high school on the basis that the students are all Einsteins. You're as bad as ci. saying that lottery winners disprove the notion that Americans think smartness is measured by the size of the cash pile.

And Wiz thinking that "alongside evolution" means anything.

Not a scientific cell in your bodies--the lot of you. Just a bunch of gumps cosying up to the simple bits of science in order to try to kid others and yourselves that you are superior personages. A load of bollocks. Teleological perversions on a domestic level.

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Lets all just sit around the cave and pick lice out of each others scalps as we wait for someone to discover fire.


I thought you were against war fm. Is it just an affectation for those moments when you seek to display your compassionate side.

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Remember , spendi accepts scientific discoveries, he just wants to jealously guard all knowledge from those he feels are "unworthy" to recieve it, and , to him, that includes all kids in public schools.


Your gross error there is in using "all". I'll go for all knowledge likely to corrupt them. Socrates was condemned for corrupting the youth. So was Jesus. So was Bruno. de Sade. Henry Miller. La Mettrie. And many others. It is why there are seats of The Higher Learning towards which one has to graduate to prove one can handle certain knowledge responsibly. It is why shamen exist. And High Priests. And Chairmen of the Federal Reserve. And barbed wire around research establishments. And high walls. And official secrets legislation.

I've been hauled before a Star Chamber in my time for teaching stuff I wasn't supposed to.

Knowledge which enables students to become decent citizens and happy I'm all in favour of. Just like you clutch "science" to your breast for posing purposes now you are purloining "knowledge". It's just a semantic mirror with roses around it into which you gaze with admiration.

I wonder how many people would agree with you that all knowledge should be made available to everyone. Your ugly dog might nod its head to that if you move a lamb chop up and down in front of it. I doubt you even agree with it yourself.

You daren't say "some knowledge" I assume and I can see why.

Go and smear a barn door with creosote if you want to do cheap smears.

Did you hear about my victory in the predicting the future game? I only live for the future. I'm a Dylan fan. Don't look back.

You blurt out pure unadulterated rubbish fm. I feel very sorry for those who have no choice other than listen to it. It must tax their patience no end.


spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 01:40 pm
@Lightwizard,
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Just don't get "Discovery Institute" mixed up with "Discovery," a science magazine and multiple cable and satellite broadcaster.


The reason you "don't get it" Wiz is because you were only taught some knowledge in school and not all knowledge.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 02:18 pm
@spendius,
That's much better than your "no knowledge."
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 02:27 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Makes me feel a bit better. However, someone on his staff is redfaced Id bet.

Bill probably looses $10m between the sofa cushions at night. It's probably not on their radar.

But maybe if we write about it enough and the NCSE picks it up they will be more careful next time.

I doubt the DI has innocent intentions for its public works project anyway. They probably plan on posting billboards on the subways which promote ID. As far as I know the only reason the DI exists is to promote Creationism (in various forms), so any money they spend must ultimately be intended to further their cause in one way or another.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 02:45 pm
@rosborne979,
You've hit the nail right on the head!
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 02:50 pm
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Weird science
(By Dennis Pierce, Editorial, eSchool News, January 6, 2009)

An activist Christian organization called Living Waters, led by minister Ray Comfort and aided by former teen idol and television star Kirk Cameron, was handing out copies of Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species free of charge to students at dozens of colleges and universities, with a catch: The group had inserted a creationist tract as an introduction to the text of its special "150th anniversary edition" of the book.

At the same time, halfway around the world, scientists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, better known as CERN, were successfully testing the world's largest particle accelerator as they sought to learn more about the universe and its origins.

Comfort and his followers are evangelists for creationism, the theory that life is far too complex to have evolved naturally and therefore must have been created by a divine being. The introduction that Comfort wrote, which you can read here, aims to poke holes in Darwin's evolutionary theory by pointing out the complexity of the human eye and gaps in the fossil record--although, as Salon.com's Laura Miller noted, "It's hard to lend much credence to the scientific arguments of a guy who thinks chimpanzees are monkeys."

In Geneva, Switzerland, scientists weren't monkeying around as they prepared to launch the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider, which can send proton beams whizzing in opposite directions around a 17-mile circular tunnel 11,000 times a second.

Using 1,600 superconducting magnets positioned around the ring, scientists on Nov. 20 successfully sent the first proton beams around the huge underground tunnel beneath the Swiss-French border, reports the Associated Press (AP). Early this year, they hope to start crashing the protons into each other in an attempt to recreate the Big Bang--which, they believe, explains the creation of the universe billions of years ago.

Like those tiny particles spinning around the collider near the speed of light, science and religion--two very different systems for explaining our natural world--are colliding in ways that have huge repercussions for society.

As author Dan Brown notes in his best-selling novel Angels and Demons, this clash isn't new; it has been going on for centuries. But while this conflict has helped make Brown a very rich man, it has also fractured the average person's understanding of basic scientific concepts.

When critics of evolution argue that it's "only a theory," for instance, they muddy the public perception of what a scientific theory is. Evolution, which forms the basis of modern life science, is supported by decades of research vetted in peer-reviewed journals; it's not just a hunch, or something concocted in a basement lab like Professor Brainard's "flubber."

Complete certainty in one's beliefs, regardless of what the evidence says, is dangerous to our understanding of the world. I'm referring, of course, to Comfort and his ilk … but I could just as easily be referring to the scientists at England's Climatic Research Unit, whose leaked eMail correspondence in late November suggested efforts to hide or suppress information that challenged their theories on global climate change.

In an apparently political ploy intended to undermine a global climate summit held in Denmark last month, computer hackers broke into a server at the well-respected British research center and posted hundreds of private eMail messages and documents online.

Some of the eMail exchanges, which were posted without proper context, expressed doubts about climate-change data. But an AP analysis of the leaked correspondence found no evidence of data falsification, and the messages "don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions," AP reported.

Still, that hasn't stopped global warming skeptics from seizing on the breach as proof of their own fervent convictions. And the climate-change scientists didn't help themselves, or the field at large, by giving their critics an opening in which to drive a wedge of doubt in their credibility.

Amid this heated political climate comes a new set of initiatives called "Educate to Innovate." On Nov. 23, President Obama announced a series of new programs to help motivate and inspire students to excel in science and math, and the timing of these initiatives couldn't be better.

The push to raise the nation's "science literacy" is partly a response to poor showings by U.S. students on international exams, and the need to ensure our global competitiveness in an increasingly technological society. But recent events demonstrate how important these new programs are, not just for preparing and inspiring a new generation of scientists, but also for helping every student make sense of an increasingly complex world.

With so much information and misinformation floating around, it's more important than ever for students to understand how to evaluate real scientific evidence for themselves, in an unbiased and dispassionate way. As the Copenhagen summit suggests, it isn't just esoteric musings about our origins that are at stake--it's also the future of our planet.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 03:20 pm
@rosborne979,
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As far as I know the only reason the DI exists is to promote Creationism


What would be the reason for promoting Creationis

One doesn't get a spanner to undo a nut without a reason for undoing it. ros is criticising somebody for just undoing nuts.

Another unscientific anti-IDer. "As far as I know" eh? Once again the limits of "some knowledge" appear. And the arrogance. As if as far as ros knows represents the limits of reality.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 03:23 pm
@spendius,
that CAN make the wheels come off, Spendi...
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 03:32 pm
@spendius,
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Physics is not taught in high school on the basis that the students are all Einsteins.
So why do you wish to single out biology? Did you have trouble with your enzymes in school?
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 03:45 pm
@farmerman,
He's still having trouble with his enzymes -- he believes that's where his knowledge comes from. It certainly didn't come from any institute of higher learning but from the institute he's now committed to.
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