@farmerman,
Gee effemm- that's really pompous. Did you feel a warm glow of self satisfaction after getting that drivel off your chest. It's a pity you don't have an audience which easily gets carried away.
@wandeljw,
Visits to the monkey section of the zoo is the obvious place to begin I should think. The wild life programmes are censored.
I suppose that this must have already come up in this long and tortuous discussion but on the off chance it hasn't, here ya go. There are many links that look really interesting.
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Project Steve
Humorous Testing of the Scientific Attitudes Toward "Intelligent Design"
Via Scientists Named "Steve"
Copyright © 2003
[Posted: May 26, 2003]
[Last update: October 3, 2003]
Since the early Twentieth Century, evolution deniers have been fond of creating lists of "scientists" who do not accept evolution. This tactic is an attempt to give the erroneous impression that, among scientists in general, support for evolution is in decline or that evolution is a "theory in crisis."
Project Steve is a parody of these lists conducted by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE). It is a listing of scientists with doctorates who support the following statement:
Quote:Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.
The catch is that the NCSE tied an arm and two legs behind its back by making an arbitrary requirement that the scientists be named "Steve," "Stephanie," "Stefan," or some other form of "Stephen." It estimates that about one percent of the population of the United States has such a name. When the Project was first publicly announced on February 16, 2003 it had 220 Steves, which corresponds to about 22,000 scientists with doctorates agreeing with the statement. By May 23, 2003 that number had increased to 367 Steves which corresponds to about 36,700 scientists. The current total can be found by consulting the Steve-o-meter. The NCSE expresses the hope that in the future when lists of "scientists who doubt evolution" are presented that it will be asked "but how many Steves are on your list!?"
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/
@wandeljw,
Quote:My issue is not with what is being said, but with what is not being said. I asked Flea about the Adam and Eve lesson, and sure enough, he had been told that this was how God had made people. I asked him whether the teacher had mentioned the alternative, scientific explanation. Unsurprisingly, she hadn't. I then asked whether he had thought of putting up his hand and mentioning it himself. His answer was deeply depressing. "No, I would never do that because everybody would laugh at me and call me a monkey."
This brings to light a deeper aspect of the creation/evolution debates. We spend a lot of our time defending the constitution (of the US) and the legal precision of the dissemination of information in "public" science classes. But this is all just a tiny slice of the whole philosophical banana. It's just the legally defensible part, the isolated aspect which is addressed by actual laws and regulations. But the main issue is one of social awareness and cultural biases toward mythology. And it's not just Christians trying to cling to childish stories about talking snakes, it's about whole cultures and giant swaths of population who follow irrational superstition. It's about voodoo and witches and exorcisms and astrology and lucky numbers and friday the 13'th. It's about the aggrandizement of faith and the promotion of emotion over reason. It's about a timeless battle that has been waged in the human consciousness ever since we first pinched ourselves.
@rosborne979,
Who wrote that ros? It's not your style.
The writers of the Constitution had not heard of Darwin you know. They didn't think of themselves as descended from monkeys. And neither did their wives.
@spendius,
Quote:The writers of the Constitution had not heard of Darwin you know. They didn't think of themselves as descended from monkeys. And neither did their wives.
Just shows that they weren't all that they're cracked up to be.
relax ros, youre gonna schvemp a geimeissen und kvetchen. If we remove all superstition and fairy tales, we are kinda left with a sterile landscape that wont celebrate fantasy and imagination.
I think that this fight, entered at so early an age, may have some negative benefits to the teacher. I think peer pressure among teachers will do more than a platoon of outraged parents.
We had similar teachers in the k-12 of our school district. In response, several teachers took it on their own (with official sanction from the school board). The chair of the science department went around, with a few of the bio and physical sci teachers and provided elementary teachers with "informational resources" about the tenets of science and how our entire school district views the overall science curricula. It apparently did more good than having a bunch of riled up parents editing everything a specific teacher presented. The science chair and her "little helpers" then presented a roundup at a routine monthly board meeting and that really had an impact (a positive one)
@farmerman,
Quote:relax ros, youre gonna schvemp a geimeissen und kvetchen. If we remove all superstition and fairy tales, we are kinda left with a sterile landscape that wont celebrate fantasy and imagination.
I didn't say we had to eliminate it FM. I just think people should be able to recognize it at the very least. And god forbid... worship it.
OK then , I believe our teachers were on the right track , they did all the fine tuning internally and kept the press value at a min imum.
Whenever the science teachers of a district have a few "raging Creationists" they always manage to reflect badly upon the rest of the departments. It cause them great klempt.
farklempt is the infinitive form . It means "to feel depressed or overwhelmed emotionally"
I was attempting to insert some yiddisher humor.
@farmerman,
Quote:I was attempting to insert some yiddisher humor.
Ahh, I see.
That's quite alright, except that I don't know much yiddish.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE YIDDISH INQUISITION!!!
http://www.yiddishonline.com
Not directly related to evolution, except:
Kevin Fujii Chronicle
AUSTIN " State Board of Education member Cynthia Dunbar isn't backing down from her claim that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is plotting with terrorists to attack the U.S.
The Texas Freedom Network, a watchdog group that monitors the board, released a public statement on Monday asking Dunbar to retract the statement.
"I don't have anything in there that would be retractable," said Dunbar, R-Richmond. "Those are my personal opinions and I don't think the language is questionable."
In a column posted on the Christian Worldview Network Web site, Dunbar wrote that a terrorist attack on America during the first six months of an Obama administration "will be a planned effort by those with whom Obama truly sympathizes to take down the America that is threat to tyranny."
She also suggests Obama would seek to expand his power by declaring martial law throughout the country.
"No matter who you support for president, we should all be able to agree that Ms. Dunbar's disgusting attack is a shocking example of the extremism that has infected the state board," TFN President Kathy Miller said.
"It's stunning that a board member who helps decide what Texas children learn in their public schools would say something so disgusting and reprehensible. She should be taking refresher courses in civics and good citizenship, not deciding what Texas kids learn."The State Board of Education will begin revising public school social studies curriculum standards after adopting rules for science next year. Those standards will determine the content in new public school textbooks.
"Right now, we're still in America and we still have freedom of speech," Dunbar said. "And unless that's changed, I'm not aware of it."
@edgarblythe,
She will probably be regretting her stupid outbursts after the election furor is over and the "ethics committees" can focus on these issues.
Being a teacher, as I said before, is not a right, its a privilege subject to statutory requirements of the licensing authority.
@farmerman,
What else would come under the scrutiny of this "ethics committee"?
COBB COUNTY GEORGIA UPDATE
Quote:Candidates support teaching creationism
(By Jon Gillooly, Marietta Daily Journal, October 22, 2008)
MARIETTA - Several candidates running for the four open seats on the Cobb Board of Education on Nov. 4 say they support the teaching of creationism, or Intelligent Design, along with Darwin's theory of evolution.
In 2002, Cobb school board members voted to put evolution disclaimers in science textbooks, a move a federal court judge ruled unconstitutional.
Even so, both candidates seeking to represent South Cobb say they support teaching evolution and creationism or Intelligent Design.
"Teaching creationism/Intelligent Design and evolution gives students the opportunity and perspective to have a comprehensive vantage point on a particular topic. This is bound to bring about vigorous debate, which is good in the world of academia," said David Morgan, who bested board Chairwoman Betty Gray in the Democratic primary. Morgan heads a political action committee for school choice.
Steven Lahr, a retired Delta mechanic who drives a school bus for the district, is the Republican in that race.
"I think both ideas should be presented and let people make the decision as to what they think best suits their beliefs," Lahr said.
In the east Cobb race, Republican David Banks, a computer analyst, also supports teaching evolution, creationism and Intelligent Design - so long as each is taught from a theoretical perspective.
"To teach evolution is to teach a scientific theory. A theory is not a fact and is often discarded as being wrong. So far, evolution is not a fact. Most people believe in creation by a deity which again is a theory, not a provable fact, but one that most people do accept as a fact. To ignore the belief of a vast majority of the people and refuse to teach creationism is an affront to the belief system that most of the community holds," Banks said.
Banks and Democrat Linda Schwartz, a community advocate, are seeking the seat now held by Johnny Johnson.
Schwartz said the district must follow state guidelines.
"I have also done some research on this and have found that college professors with students that have not received detailed instruction in evolution, the widely accepted explanation, find that those students are lacking in knowledge that is required for them to succeed in college coursework. We should strive for successful high school graduates that become successful college students.
"I recognize that there are other beliefs /explanations out there, and I respect everyone's right to think as they choose. I believe that creationism/intelligent design should be taught in the home, not in the public schools," Schwartz said.
Voters in the central part of the county may choose between Democrat Alison Bartlett and Republican Ron Younker, who was elected in September to fill the remainder of Dr. Teresa Plenge's term.
Younker, a Southern Company manager, supports teaching various theories.
"The Georgia Performance Standards mandate certain material be taught, as designated by the Georgia Department of Education, including evolution. In my opinion, that should not preclude alternative theories, including Intelligent Design, from being discussed as other possible hypotheses," Younker said.
Bartlett, who teaches ninth-grade math at Chapel Hill High School in Douglas County, said evolution should be taught first.
"In my family, it is important to my husband and I that our children are educated on Christian beliefs. When I hear or see the word creationism/intelligent design I wonder which religion or belief system are we discussing? This is a general statement that has many different meanings depending with whom you are speaking. There are many creationism stories.
"If a teacher had the time to cover these beliefs while covering all the standards required by law during the discussion of evolution, I would not take issue. But I do not perceive this as possible," she said.
Neither candidate for the west Cobb seat, now held by Lindsey Tippins, objected to current guidelines.
Republican Lynnda Crowder-Eagle, a former principal of Kincaid Elementary School, said simply: "Cobb County is obliged to teach the Georgia Performance Standards which are outlined for each science course. I support the standards set forth."
Democrat Tim Brew, who teaches world history at East Paulding High School, does not support teaching creationism.
"Our Western civilization, since the Renaissance and scientific revolution, is predicated on using and instructing with the scientific method. The science and facts of the day are quite clear that man has evolved. I think it therefore appropriate that we teach evolution and leave any other theory, like creationism and intelligent design, to our religious institutions," Brew said.
@wandeljw,
Quote:"I have also done some research on this and have found that college professors with students that have not received detailed instruction in evolution, the widely accepted explanation, find that those students are lacking in knowledge that is required for them to succeed in college coursework. We should strive for successful high school graduates that become successful college students.
Why doesn't the prof bring them up to speed with the basic theory then? It only takes about 10 minutes if the students are a bit slow on the uptake.
We are in danger of taking what somebody asserts as the true picture of the reality again.