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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 09:34 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

MISSOURI UPDATE
Quote:
Band shirts hit wrong note with parents
(By Tonya Fennell, Sedalia Democrat, August 28, 2009)

“I was disappointed with the image on the shirt.” Melby said. “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.”


Melby needs to get over it. Evolution is part of standard science, just as much as chemistry and physics are.

If the school wants to cave into pressure from everyone who objects to any bit of scientific knowledge, then they need to get ready to remove other facts of science as well. What would they do if a flat-earther objected to a uniform showing a spherical earth?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 09:40 am
LW and Rosborne,

That story is one of those WTF? stories. Total over-reaction about T-shirts for a school band.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 09:56 am
@wandeljw,
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Key Facts about Sedalia -

Founded: 1860
Land Size: 18.7 square miles
Population: 20,339
Median Age: 35.8 years
Median Household Income: $28,641
Median Housing Value: $59,600


Blimey. Have they got a horse?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 09:59 am
@spendius,
likely several, spendi.

I would venture to say Sedalia could represent the average Missouri small town in fact...
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 10:51 am
@Rockhead,
Till recently, the largest sheep breed shows have been in Sedalia Mo. Any grand national "best pf breed" ram from the Sedalia show has always been guaranteed a hefty price on sale (As a stud ram not a carcass)
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 11:07 am
@Rockhead,
It says on Wiki that the owner of the Sedalia paper is Freedom Communications which has filed for bankruptcy.

Quote:
Freedom Communications, Inc., headquartered in Irvine, California, is a libertarian media company which owns more than 75 newspapers in the US, with a combined daily circulation of more than 1.2 million subscribers, and also operates over seventy local news websites. The broadcast division includes eight television stations, including five CBS network affiliates, one CW Television Network affiliate, and two ABC network affiliates.


One assumes the editor takes a libertarian view of monkey pictures on shirts.

I enjoy having a look at these places wande finds on Wiki and on their own web sites which are, as you might expect, somewhat self-congratulatory.

It helps me get a more realistic view of the US than the one I developed in my formatives from movies and other set piece events.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 11:16 am
@spendius,
You have a point in listing the business interests of that newspaper, spendi. My own daughter used to work for CW Television. It was a conflict of interest for me to post that!
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 11:16 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Till recently, the largest sheep breed shows have been in Sedalia Mo. Any grand national "best pf breed" ram from the Sedalia show has always been guaranteed a hefty price on sale (As a stud ram not a carcass)


With your knowledge of evolution effemm, and of its accelerated form, known colloquially as Christianity, do you see sheep ending up like dogs if judges persist in judging rams aesthetically?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 11:38 am
@spendius,
given time enough and reason enough, we can see a mouse become a man, so leaping from artiodactyl to canid seems childs play.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 12:20 pm
@wandeljw,
Quote:
You have a point in listing the business interests of that newspaper, spendi. My own daughter used to work for CW Television. It was a conflict of interest for me to post that!


I don't know about conflict of interest but I know there's a point wande. I was flabbergasted when the scales over my eyes cleared a little and I found out that my local newspaper was owned in London by a company that also owned nearly 100 similar newspapers and had its fingers in a number of other pies. In the Eating Out feechewer they had the same prose with just the names of the restaurants changed in most of those other papers. They promoted, welcomed and continue to publicise the machine that pumps our money down to London. The National Lottery I mean.

I had been compaining for years about my newspaper, in which I had always reposed so much trust as a result of a report of my taking 6 for 24 in a local cricket match in my younger days, now sadly behind me. In case you don't know, 6 for 24, or to be more precise, 8.2-3-6-24. Means 8.2 overs- 3 maidens- 6 wickets for 24 runs conceded. The latter were mostly lucky cow swipes. An over is six balls which it pays to pitch on the wicket just before reaching the batter. You have a thinner bat to correct for the advantage of a long sighter. These sorts of games evolve a delicate balance between bat and ball with the survival of the fittest, which is cricket, being the selective mechanism. i.e.Money--bums on seats--franchises- jumping up and down with glee or all hangdog gloom with despair. They lowered the mound recently I heard. There are a number of adjustments. Narrowing the zone. It's a sort of religion really.

8.2 overs thus means 50 balls with a rest at long on while somebody else bowls 6 at the other end.

Our editor once referred to "crippling" interest rates when they had just been hiked 2% and it turned out that his circulation area was No 1 in the FT's beneficiary list for high interest rates. And London a sufferer.

That's why I never assume you are posting a genuine local story until I have checked on the integrity of local interest.

In order that we might be assured that everything is going to plan in Sleepy Sedalia can you quote the Personal Services section. I couldn't find it and from a scientific point of view it is at least as interesting as some "Now you see 'em, now you don't" pictures of monkeys and gestalt monkeys at that.

Of course neither would be as interesting as knowing more about the people who have or will chime in on the argument. I would do another performance in those shirts if I was them. Get them all enraged. Can they not see the potential?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 12:27 pm
@spendius,
I agree. It seems that all media, even local media, is owned by a handful of large corporations. My daughter told me that there are only about three or four corporations responsible for everything that is produced in Hollywood. (Time-Warner, Disney, Fox, and Viacom)

I wish those kids would continue to wear the T-shirts. They seem unwilling to do so because it offends their "audience."
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 12:37 pm
@wandeljw,
I meant intending to offend the audience.

Dammit wande--it's censorship. The band's constitutional rights are being violated surely? If I was handling it there would be a Dover-style mediafest in a month or two. It's mob rule.

I meant intending to offend the audience.

Dammit wande--it's censorship. The band's constitutional rights are being violated surely? If I was handling it there would be a Dover-style mediafest in a month or two. It's mob rule.

And $700 is a lot of money in a place like Sedalia

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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 01:00 pm
@wandeljw,
Sony and it's Sony Pictures has to be added to that list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Entertainment

They are part owners of MGM with Texas Pacific Group and other investors.

GE who owns NBC and Universal Entertainment (the largest):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Universal





spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 01:13 pm
@Lightwizard,
You don't really understand the point LW. We know about movies anyway. A lot of us don't know who owns local papers and TV and radio stations.

And we are exposed to the latter much more than to movies.

We see a quote from the Sedalia Sentinel and the sentinal is in California.

This whole matter is related to who gains and who loses. And I see Media gaining from the anti-ID position coming in. Money is the sole occupant of Media's soul.

Nobody serious gives two fucks about evolution, Darwin or FSMs or scientific truth or education.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 08:50 am
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Creating Controversy
(Jack Stripling, Inside Higher Ed, September 1, 2009)

Ever a thorny issue, the teaching of evolutionary biology at a small Christian university in California has sparked debate on the campus and within the Seventh-day Adventist church.

Now-public e-mails between a recent La Sierra University graduate and his biology professors provide a firsthand glimpse of a debate no doubt playing out at many colleges, where students of faith struggle to reconcile their beliefs with scientific theories on the origins of humanity. Unlike so many such academic discussions, however, the private interchange between Carlos Cerna and his professors has moved beyond the campus walls -- thanks to the Internet -- and generated a review within the church about the appropriateness of evolutionary studies for Seventh-day Adventists, a Christian denomination that embraces the six-day creation story outlined in the Book of Genesis.

Cerna butted heads with professors in a capstone biology course when he sought to insert his creationist beliefs into a paper about evolutionary theories, the e-mails indicate. One of two professors who taught the course had “reluctantly” agreed to Cerna’s approach in principle, but found the final product “unacceptable.”

“The paper you sent me is unacceptable in its present form,” Gary Bradley, a professor of biology, wrote to Cerna May 12. “You said you would address the geological issues presented in class, demonstrating that you understand the data and the mainstream interpretations. Only then would you attach a paragraph taking issue with that interpretation. You have not done this. You have demonstrated only superficial knowledge with what was presented in class and even that was done with clear apologetic skepticism.”

Cerna responded, saying he was “flabbergasted” by Bradley’s e-mail.

“I don’t see why I’m ‘getting the shaft’ for questioning these [scientific] methods, especially at an Adventist university,” he wrote.

The e-mails, as well as Cerna’s paper and other related documents, were leaked to a Web site called EducateTruth.com. Shane Hilde, a La Sierra alumnus critical of what he describes teaching “against the Bible” at the university, is the site’s creator. Hilde says Bradley and Lee Greer, who co-taught Cerna’s class, should both resign because their clear belief in evolution is contradictory to the teachings of the church that founded the university.

“For me it just comes down to employee misrepresenting an employer,” Hilde told Inside Higher Ed. “Someone employed for Pepsi is not going to retain their job promoting Coca-Cola. It’s pretty black and white.”

Hilde’s site, which he says attracts about 1,000 unique visitors each day, has spread the debate about La Sierra among Adventists. But it was an e-mail from David Asscherick, a popular evangelist, that appears to have pressured church leaders to weigh in on the issue. Asscherick, who appears regularly on a 24-hour radio and television station called Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN), wrote members of the church’s General Conference urging them to “do something.”

“It is a matter of incontestable fact that naturalistic evolution is being taught at La Sierra University,” Asscherick wrote in the e-mail dated April 30, “This is not in and of itself a bad thing. Evolution should be taught at our denominational universities. But it should be taught as a competing and inimical worldview to the biblical worldview. We need our young people to know what it is they are up against, yes, but when naturalistic evolution is taught as fact or as the preferred and normative worldview, then we can be sure that the enemy has breached our lines.”

By June 19, the president of the worldwide church had written a letter affirming the church’s belief in a “literal, recent, six-day creation” and that “the Flood was global in nature.” Jay Paulsen, the church's president, went on to say that church-sponsored colleges and universities should teach students about evolution, but mindfully steer them back toward the church’s contrary view.

“As part of that exercise [in teaching] you will also expose them to elements and concepts of evolution. That is understood,” he wrote. “As your pastor, however, I appeal to you that when you take your students out on the journey, you bring them safely back home before the day is over. And their home must always be in the world of faith. You owe it to the students, you owe it to God, you owe it to their parents, you owe it to the church, and you owe it to yourself as a believer to safely guide them through difficult moments on their journey.”

Jay Gallimore, president of the Seventh-day Adventist Michigan Conference, also wrote about the debate on the conference's Web site.

"Adventist parents should be able to trust their colleges and universities to build the faith of their young people," he wrote. "They should not have the additional burden of trying on their own to figure out whether their youth are going to be taught evolution rather than creation."

Cerna, who graduated from La Sierra with a biology degree, said he was not opposed to evolution being taught, so long as it wasn't depicted as the lone viable explanation for the origin of of human beings.

"We should all be very aware of what the leading theory of the origin of life is," he said. "What I have strong feelings about is the way it's being taught. If you’re going to come out at an institution that is a Bible believing institution and say evolution is the only logical theory that makes any sense, then that’s what I have a problem with.”

Bradley, who is semi-retired after 38 years at La Sierra, has seen evolution debates erupt on campus before -- and his traditional response is to “dive under the desk and wait for them to blow over.” In this instance, Bradley says he has the backing of his president, who wrote a letter to faculty, staff and trustees affirming the university’s role in the “important conversation of science and faith.”

“We at La Sierra University are continuing to examine how we teach the science relevant to origins in supportive, Adventist, Christian environment,” wrote Randal Wisbey, the university’s president. “We continue to welcome input made in a spirit of constructive Christian fellowship and which is respectful of scientific integrity -- recognizing that while we may not fully agree on everything, our mutual concern is always for unity in love to our Lord and service to His children.”

Wisbey did not respond to interview requests Monday.

The university plans to add a seminar for biology students in which theologians and scientists will discuss the intersections of faith and science. The university has also updated its Web site, listing “important reasons to study biology” on the campus. Students can expect to “study with professors who all deeply believe in God as the Creator of everything,” the site notes. While biology students will be expected to learn theories of evolution, they also “will be introduced to Seventh-day Adventist understandings of Creation, centered in the Genesis account, which reveals the Creator as a personal and loving God,” according to the site.

Bradley says he’s felt no pressure to change anything about his course, and says bluntly that he doesn’t plan to turn his class into a theological seminar, or to present evolutionary theory only to then dismantle it for students. While he’s fine with helping students work through struggles of faith, Bradley says he won’t undercut decades of peer reviewed scientific research in the interest of religious consistency.

“I am not OK with getting up in a science course and saying most science is bullshit,” he said.

Neither Bradley nor Greer have the protections of tenure. Bradley had tenure, but willingly gave it up in a deal to scale back his responsibilities in a phased retirement. Greer, who did not respond to an interview request Monday, is on the tenure track.

Faculty at La Sierra do not have to be members of the Seventh Day Adventist church -- unless they want tenure.

“I hope this will change,” Bradley said. “One cannot be tenure-track if they’re not a member. I’m embarrassed to say that, but it is true.”

Bradley joined the church as a boy, but when asked if he was a practicing Adventist, he said “On record, yes. You can read into that whatever you want.”

“It’s very, very clear that what I’m skeptical of is the absolute necessity of believing that the only way a creator God could do things is by speaking them into existence a few thousand years ago,” Bradley added. “That’s where my skepticism lies. That’s the religious philosophical basis for what I call the lunatic fringe. They do not represent the majority position in the Church, and yes I’m skeptical of that. But I want to say to kids it’s OK for you to believe that, but it’s not OK for you to be ignorant of the scientific data that’s out there.”
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 10:41 am
@wandeljw,
wandel, All my siblings are Seventh Day Adventists married to Adventists; I learned early on (teenager) that the church teaches hypocrisy, and left the church.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 10:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
I hope they didn't forget to send you a letter of thanks ci.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 11:23 am
I'm a wee bit confused...
This is a university we are talking about, right...
Not a community college or something else, right...
Do they receive government grants or transfers?
Isn't there a set standard at the university level or not? How can you teach SCIENCE courses and not teach SCIENCE? Is a graduate of this school on par with other universities? Can any group start a university? This blows my mind... seriously.
If a university lets a man without the basic understanding of SCIENCE graduate and makes him a tenured professor in the SCIENCE department... I should have a shot at it too eh! I mean, I can muddle my way through the text books. I can google stuff. Hey, they seem to let anyone do it... I'm looking for a job. Anybody got their number??? I'm a pretty good story teller, I could weave some biblical like tales throughout my lectures.
This sounds like the gig for me.
How far south do I have to move???
lol


wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 11:34 am
@Ceili,
Ceili,
This is only a short answer. The university mentioned in the news article is a small private university associated with and funded by a church (Seventh Day Adventist).
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 12:34 pm
@Ceili,
Quote:
This blows my mind... seriously.


What you need Ceili is some mind stiffening agents. You really ought to be able to take that sort of thing with no more than a subtly raised eyebrow.
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