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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 09:12 am
Reference to the atheist Gibbons by someone supposedly of faith gave me a bit of a laugh this morning.

Please excuse the multiple postings -- I did not mean to emulate his vunerable Pope Precious Splendious XXX.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 09:16 am
@rosborne979,
Its actually both ros. The thing with cheetah is the actual size of their mitochondria even more than their density. Either way, its an evolutionary jiggering that, as a small internal change is utilized, maybe morphological changes then can occur to make the energy transfer more beneficial.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 12:55 pm
@farmerman,
That's a bit like saying if you light the fire the smoke will go up the chimney.

It explains nothing about anything. It's mere description and somewhat speculative at that. The mitochondria is just a label for whatever is said to be happening or maybe happening. It's woffle.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 01:52 pm
@spendius,
First look it up before you open your yap spewndi. That way you wont keep looking the fool. That is , if you wish not to keep looking the fool.

If you cant join in with anything intelligent, just shut up and keep wanking your pud, you old twit.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 02:27 pm
@farmerman,
Laughing
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 02:31 pm
@farmerman,
Go on then--explain it.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 05:52 am
@farmerman,
Hadda look about and was pleased in a simple discussion on the mitochondria and the mitochondrial distribution within a cheetah. Apparently, the cheetah population , in the Pleistocene had crashed worldwide and the remnants of the population (from a species distribution standpoint) left only the small population that had recently expanded its range into a similarly increasing savannah.
According to one article, the "genetic bottleneck" left certain of a much larger and diverse population. The structure of the various extra nuclear mitochondria , apparently varied in sizes from 16000 to over 17000 base pairs and valine was an important product in the phosphorylation transfer. SO , apparently the mitochondrial species AND the extra nuclear density was somehow in the mix that affects respiratory duration.
The big item is the post Pleistocene evolution of the cat from a species that was originally (as done by speculation because the fossils are less available than needed to make a final determination) a short distance camouflage hunter to one that is now stretching its ability as a longer distance sprinter.

The point that interests me is that we seem to have an intermediate form that is in the process of adapting to a more rapidly changing savannah from an earlier, wetter forest environment.

It was damn dificult tracking down some genetics papers that were more accessible to someone like me( not a specialist in areas of genetics). (I always bitch about how the abstracts of articles are getting increasingly "insider" oriented, and the purpose of any wider communication is being lost).

spendius
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 07:50 am
@farmerman,
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I always bitch about how the abstracts of articles are getting increasingly "insider" oriented, and the purpose of any wider communication is being lost.


Good grief!! That's as anti-science as it gets.

The whole point is to have an esoteric language so that hoi polloi are left gasping open-mouthed in wonder and awe and are rendered hypnotised and susceptible to signing over increasing portions of their hard earned (ahem!) cash to the votaries within the guarded citadels with their reserved car parking spaces and institutionalised discrimination regarding salaries, dining facilities, personal spaces and toilets against those ignorant and superstitious peasants who are of a necessity employed within the precincts to clear up the mess, do the typing and submit to the carnal conveniences of the priesthood.

The whole intention is to prevent any wider communication with the profane and unitiated. They would demand equal access to the facilities mentioned were they to be initiated and we would be over-run by Chiefs.

One might easily style the popularisers of science as heretics.

And you have still only provided a description of what has been observed, or said to have been observed. No explanations. No science,

It is quite obvious that you lie prostrate before the edifice of irreducible complexity despite assertions to the contrary. And completely bewildered.




farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:07 am
@spendius,
good thing we have constants that are there for us to appreciate. Like, you have always been ,and remain, an idiot.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:22 am
TEXAS UPDATE
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Education board looks silly again
(Editorial, Corpus Christi Caller-Times, August 29, 2009)

The culture warriors on the State Board of Education are back on the warpath. This time, they think that students in Texas’ public schools should learn all about Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Phyllis Schlafly and the Moral Majority, but not about liberals or civil rights activists.

The State Board of Education is not known for its moderation or its common sense. Recently, three members of the six-member panel of experts appointed by the board to help guide the revision of social studies curriculum standards called for the removal of César Chávez, the great Hispanic civil rights leader, from the standards. Their argument was that Chávez is an unfitting role model for students because of his union activism. They also slammed the inclusion of Thurgood Marshall, the first African-American on the U.S. Supreme Court.

While they don’t want Texas students to study César Chávez or Thurgood Marshall, they are fine with teaching them all about conservative politicians and media personalities, like Gingrich and Limbaugh.

The State Board of Education appointed review committees of current and former teachers as well as “expert reviewers” to help shape the standards document, said an AP story. The 15-member board, which includes 10 Republicans, will decide the standards next spring. These standards will influence how history, civics and geography books are written for Texas classrooms. And because Texas is such a big customer for textbook publishers, what Texas buys is usually sold to other states.

The first draft recommends that students studying U.S. history be able to identify “significant conservative advocacy organizations and individuals, such as Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schlafly and the Moral Majority.”

Terri Leo, a Republican board member from Spring, was critical of the vote. “It is hard to believe that a majority of the writing team would approve of such wording. It’s not even a representative selection of the conservative movement, and it is inappropriate.”

She’s right, but the State Board of Education has rarely failed in its efforts to look ridiculous, as when it voted, some time back, not to require biology textbooks to include the theory of evolution. Or, more recently, when a panel of “experts” chosen by Republican members of the board urged the removal from the standards of Chávez, who greatly improved conditions for Hispanic farm workers, and Marshall, who argued the landmark Brown v. Board of Education that resulted in racial desegregation.

The state board is an embarrassment and will continue to be an embarrassment so long as narrow-minded ideologues and culture warriors dominate the agenda. You can argue that “education” is the least of their priorities. We have long argued that members of the State Board of Education should be appointed from the best and brightest in the education community, not elected from vast districts in which the voters don’t know the candidates or their qualifications for the office. A small appointed board would be more responsive to the needs of public education in Texas and take us beyond these endlessly tiresome and politically divisive culture wars.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:24 am
@farmerman,
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good thing we have constants that are there for us to appreciate. Like, you have always been ,and remain, an idiot.


Do you not yet realise effemm that you make yourself look even sillier in the eyes of intelligent people with responses of such a nature.

Perhaps you are relying on there being few intelligent people on A2K which is not something I would dream of doing. LW is an exception as far as I'm concerned.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:25 am
@farmerman,
It's like the Huffnung Music Festival, especially the most outlandishly funny (from a CD review on Britain's Music Web site), where the sheet music given to the pianist is different than what is given to the conductor and the battle begins (when I first hear the new LP when in college, we were all ROTFL):

This, the first of the three concerts has two or three masterstrokes. Reizenstein’s Concerto populare will get you giggling like a loon. We have the Tchaikovsky first piano concerto on the orchestra, with the pianist wrestling with the Grieg. Not only are the themes intertwined but imaginative additional touches abound. After the surprise has receded, we move on to Rachmaninov 2, Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue, Addinsell’s Warsaw Concerto, Pop Goes the Weasel and Roll Out the Barrel, played in various styles, and back to the best idea again, the Tchaikovsky against the Grieg, except now piano and orchestra are transposed, (but only for a little while) as all the other themes fall over themselves, much to the extreme enjoyment of the audience " obbligato organ and tuba here as well!

End of review

Trouble is, in that case you're laughing at the musical joke, not at the person who wrote it.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:27 am
@wandeljw,
Im sure that these guys are also in the recent mix to rehabilitate the biography of Sen Joe McCArthy.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:31 am
@wandeljw,
Like I have state numerous times before:

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You can argue that “education” is the least of their priorities. We have long argued that members of the State Board of Education should be appointed from the best and brightest in the education community, not elected from vast districts in which the voters don’t know the candidates or their qualifications for the office. A small appointed board would be more responsive to the needs of public education in Texas and take us beyond these endlessly tiresome and politically divisive culture wars.

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The public voting for school boards and even judges is a big laugh -- the majority of voters barely know anything about their senators and representatives. How are they going to vote intelligently for these candidates? We don't have a true democracy in the US -- it's a mish-mash of a republic conceived by the Spartans (to fit a war machine) and a Rube Goldberg contraption.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:45 am
@wandeljw,
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We have long argued that members of the State Board of Education should be appointed from the best and brightest in the education community, not elected from vast districts in which the voters don’t know the candidates or their qualifications for the office. A small appointed board would be more responsive to the needs of public education in Texas and take us beyond these endlessly tiresome and politically divisive culture wars.


That could just as easily have been said by Hitler or Stalin or any other totalitarian despot who is easily exasperated by any other views than his own.

And it is stupid as well for the very simple and often explained reason that it offers no procedure by which to go from where we are to the utopian dream of the clunker who wrote it.

The Caller-Times is owned by the E.W. Scripps Company.

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From what I can gather there was something of a suspicious delay in the reporting of Mr Cheyney's hunting accident.


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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 08:52 am
@Lightwizard,
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The public voting for school boards and even judges is a big laugh -- the majority of voters barely know anything about their senators and representatives. How are they going to vote intelligently for these candidates? We don't have a true democracy in the US -- it's a mish-mash of a republic conceived by the Spartans (to fit a war machine) and a Rube Goldberg contraption.


Crikey LW--you'll be arguing for the pitcher to be allowed to bounce the ball before it reaches the batsman next. And for outlawing the forward pass and the use of the hands in football.

Would you like to become subjects of Her Majesty again?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 11:17 am
@farmerman,
Thanks FM. Interesting stuff.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 05:36 pm
@rosborne979,
Yes, and prompts further study on the Internet on the subject. It was the basis of a NOVA special.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/neanderthals/mtdna.html
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 09:13 am
MISSOURI UPDATE
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Band shirts hit wrong note with parents
(By Tonya Fennell, Sedalia Democrat, August 28, 2009)

T-shirts worn by the Smith-Cotton High School band have evolved into controversy among parents.

The shirts, which were designed to promote the band’s fall program, are light gray and feature an image of a monkey progressing through stages and eventually emerging as a man. Each figure holds a brass instrument. Several instruments decorate the background and the words “Smith-Cotton High School Tiger Pride Marching Band” and “Brass Evolutions 2009” are emblazoned above and below the image.

Assistant Band Director Brian Kloppenburg said the shirts were designed by him, Band Director Jordan Summers and Main Street Logo. Kloppenburg said the shirts were intended to portray how brass instruments have evolved in music from the 1960s to modern day. Summers said they chose the evolution of man because it was “recognizable.” The playlist of songs the band is slated to perform revolve around the theme “Brass Evolutions.”

The band debuted the T-shirts when it marched in the Missouri State Fair parade. Summers said he was surprised when he received a direct complaint after the parade.

While the shirts don’t directly violate the district’s dress code, Assistant Superintendent Brad Pollitt said complaints by parents made him take action.

“I made the decision to have the band members turn the shirts in after several concerned parents brought the shirts to my attention,” Pollitt said.

Pollitt said the district is required by law to remain neutral where religion is concerned.

“If the shirts had said ‘Brass Resurrections’ and had a picture of Jesus on the cross, we would have done the same thing,” he said.

Band parent Sherry Melby, who is a teacher in the district, stands behind Pollitt’s decision. Melby said she associated the image on the T-shirt with Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

“I was disappointed with the image on the shirt.” Melby said. “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.”

Parent Alena Hoeffling said she is infuriated with administration’s decision to pull the attire.

“Whatever happened to the separation of church and state,” she said.

Hoeffling said she is both a scientific person and a practicing Catholic and enjoyed the “play on words.”

“I thought it was funny,” she said. “I didn’t think much of it.”

However, the T-shirt’s imagery became a hot topic at a recent TIMPO (band booster) meeting. Hoeffling said that’s where she learned the evolution T-shirts were causing a stir.

“Parents were informed the shirts had to be turned in,” Hoeffling said. “I couldn’t believe it.”

Hoeffling said she enrolled her children in public school so they could have choices.

“If I wanted my children to be sheltered, I would have enrolled them in private school,” she said.

On Friday afternoon after practice, band members piled the shirts on a table. While most were apathetic about the shirts, others felt the drama surrounding the shirts was unwarranted.

“It’s not like we are saying God is bad,” sophomore band member Denyel Luke said. “We aren’t promoting evolution.”

High School junior Adam Tilley said he understood why the shirts were repossessed.

“I can see where the parents are coming from,” he said. “Evolution has always been controversial.” The 17-year-old trombone player said his parents “didn’t care” about the shirt because it was the “name of the band’s show.”

Senior Drum Major Mike Howard said he was disappointed when he had to return the shirt.

“I liked the shirt because it was unique,” Howard said. “The theory of evolution never even crossed my mind.”

While Howard was discouraged when he wasn’t given a choice whether to wear the shirt, he said he wouldn’t want to offend anyone. “Our fans are the community,” he said.

Summers said a new T-shirt is currently in the design stages, but declined to comment on the image.

“It has to be approved first,” he said.

Pollitt said the district would now have to absorb the cost of the T-shirts " $700 " that would have been paid for by the band parents. Pollitt said an anonymous donor had originally planned to pay half the cost, but declined after the evolution image was placed on the shirts. However, the donor does plan to fund half the price of the new T-shirts.

Sedalia School District 200 Board of Education member Michael Stees said it was unfortunate the T-shirt design was misconceived and he hopes the band can just move forward.

“This is an exciting time for the band,” Stees said. “They don’t need any negativity.”

Pollitt said the band’s new shirts would be approved by the activities director and administration before being printed.

“We support whatever steps the school district has to take,” Summers said.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 09:26 am
@wandeljw,
Is the "Brass" animal, vegetable or mineral?
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