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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 10:21 am
@rosborne979,
A threesome. He must be getting desparate today.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 12:41 pm
@farmerman,
I was faced with a foursome effemm. Had you not noticed? Are you bullying me with numbers again. ci. says you're only 2% so that's not on.

I was also at work. I was popping in and out. I restrained myself actually.

And I have a potential interesting exchange going on with osso and Queenie concerning sexual fantasy and I haven't seen any evidence that even advanced monkeys ever engage in that activity. Have you?

Even Heathen writers I have read, and I've read a few, never mention it.

Have you an opinion on cultural aspects impinging upon the content of sexual fantasy which scientist have shown, at some length, to be quite common and very common in certain categories. Those much like monkeys and under the age of 20 seem to be the only category where it is only quite common.

If you could present your Darwinianism in sentences of such style, accuracy and brevity as those last two I think we might take more notice of you. We being me and anybody who cares to join me.

It is my fundamental thesis that literary atheists are turgid, boring, long-winded, meaningless, bigoted and more or less illiterate and spending one's time in their company, either on the page or in the pub, is to be avoided at all costs for fear of becoming stuck in down-shouldered, cringing, trodden in the muck mode under the constantly raining blows of their inimitable rhetoric.

Except, of course, for amusement.

One feels that should atheists ever come to power one companions, and even oneself possibly, might suffer the fate I envisaged and I would far rather believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster if It delivered us all from that. In tomato sauce I mean.

It is something of a measure of how successful your side is becoming that there have been six regulars in the pub this last few nights who have been constantly jumping off the ground a bit, an inch or two, flapping their arms above their heads and going "cuckoo" minus the "cuck". Each performance, must be hundreds by now, produces gales of hysterical laughter and then they all get out their mobile phones to check if anyone has texted them: then they look at each other shouting inanities, really good ones, until somebody goes "oo" again which isn't long. And the funniest thing is is that three of them are women who don't put out nor cook and clean for a bloke. They just come to the pub to run the conversation of the blokes who are, of course, traitors to the cause. Nunneries are for women like that. It's getting your social acceptance under false pretences. And your entertainment. When they have had enough they waddle out of the pub with a cheery wave and leave the blokes looking crestfallen which they relieve by going "oo" again.

You see effemm--the sort of blokes such women attract, the sniffer dog type who never learns, drive women who do put out out of the pub. Which, by the inexorable laws of gravitational attraction, or magnetic repulsion, drives the blokes looking for women who do put out away.

So you are winning. But you haven't won. There are ten channels on my TV which are designed to get chaps to ring up at £2 a minute. I don't suppose I need try my hand at painting you a picture of them. I feel sure you can observe what I can and draw the same conclusions from the objective evidence on my new 47" screen. The late night ones I am referring to. Night shift workers have to make do with Playgirl types. I will concede victory to your side when the actresses are allowed to draw aside the zaimph.

I wouldn't like to be an atheist trying to justify the current regulations. The actresses make it quite obvious that it is only the regulations which are preventing them from casting aside the last clout. At £3 a minute. I'm wondering if the bookies are betting on which channel allows it first.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 05:17 pm
Are you waiting for ros to give you a lead effemm?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 09:10 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
A threesome. He must be getting desparate today.

Yup, Life is good. Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 09:17 pm
@spendius,
I not only read our local newspaper daily, but do a web search for interesting topics by other media. I also subscribe to the WSJ and several mags.

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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:03 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
farmerman wrote:
A threesome. He must be getting desparate today.
Yup, Life is good. (With snicker added).


These two posts are whimpers.

In Chapter VI of Thomas Hobbes's Leviathan: (Of the Interiour Beginnings of Voluntary Motions; commonly called the PASSIONS. And the Speeches by which they are expressed.) there is this under "Sudden Glory and Laughter-

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Sudden Glory, is the passion which maketh those Grimaces called LAUGHTER; and is caused either by some sudden act of their own, that pleaseth them; or by the apprehension of some deformed thing in another, by comparison whereof they suddenly applaud themselves. And it is incident most to them, that are conscious of the fewest abilities in themselves; who are forced to keep themselves in their own favour, by observing the imperfections of other men. And therefore much Laughter at the defects of others, is a signe of Pusillanimity.


Pusillanimity is the fear of nothing much.

Bearing in mind the qualities to be seen in my posts and the qualities to be seen in these two responses to them one needn't have majored in psychology to see from whence those latter motions proceeded.

I may well make free with Thomas Hobbes. On a science thread I could hardly be expected to anticipate any objections.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 02:01 pm
Speaking of whom, on the matter of absurdity of dicourse, a species of madness, had this to say-

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There is yet another fault in the Discourses of some men; which may be numbered amongst the sorts of madnesse; namely, that abuse of words, whereof I have spoken before in the fifth chapter, by the Name of Absurdity. And that is, when men speak such words, as put together, have in them no signification at all; but are fallen upon by some, through misunderstanding of the words they have received, and repeat by rote; by others. from intention to deceive by obscurity. And this is incident to none but those, that converse in matters incomprehensible, as the Schoole-men; or in questions of abstruse Philosophy. The common sort of men seldome speak Insignificantly, and are therefore, by those Egregious persons counted Idiots.


I have been counted Idiot so often that I am forced to the conclusion that I am a common sort of man who never speaks insignificantly. Possibly Mr Hobbes didn't know what he was talking about.

panzade
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 02:25 pm
@spendius,
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Possibly Mr Hobbes didn't know what he was talking about.


possibly, a majority of the time, I don't know what you're talking about.

But you're no idiot. In fact, you're too smart...for your own good.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:05 pm
@panzade,
I'm not smart mate. I just read smart people's writings. I'm in favour of smart people running the show so I try to put what I understand of their position to the fore.

And the ones who understand evolution theory don't recommend it for the kids because a number of them will be the smart people of the future.

Those who wish to use evolution theory to justify their rejection of the wisdom of the ages are wankers. I'll accept that I'm smart compared to them but that's like thinking you're a good high jumper because you can jump higher than Mrs Whiteside.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:42 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

...Those who wish to use evolution theory to justify their rejection of the wisdom of the ages are wankers. ...


i'm really kind of surprised that you reject evolution. i mean, with all of those little short crusader guys layin' around in the crypts that have to be entered through little tiny doors and little tiny stairways.

i've been in bands with a couple of brits. they seemed tall enough. and no age jokes, there buster! Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:07 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
You don't understand DTOM. These pro evolutionists are phonies. Evolution is just a club to them. They don't go within scenting distance of evolution theory. They simply want to justify some personal preference probably to do with sex.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:59 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Spendius has never demonstrated either an interest or knowledge about the basis of the evolution discussions. He uses every opportunity to only try to cast attention upon himself. His use of wild and irrelevant inserts to sound as if hes being intellectuually tangential to the topic is a trick that was much used by Dave BArry in his humor columns,(only diff is that Barry was clever).

Hes actually a nincompoop who spends much of his time quickly searching Google to dreg up his flotsam so that he can try to derail a topic.
Fortunately, he doesnt fool many people. Most folks are initially impressed at what appears to be a breadth of knowledge , then later, the same people arrive at a conclusion that hes just a floundering dipshit with nothing worth adding to any reasonably technical topic.

Try to go back (if your even interested) and see where he even contributes to a topic with anything but his own brand of ethanol induced drivel.

If you analyze the very line you quoted, youll see that it doesnt even make sense in that it is"dimensionally inequivalent". Evolutionary theories ARE ALL wisdom of the ages.Spendi rejects evolutionary theories because hes unable to recognize the elegance of the theories and the component sciences.

spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 07:09 am
@farmerman,
The same old load of bollocks.

You are trying to mystify evolution theory in order to feel a special person. You have even tried mystifying grilling a ******* brisket. And your "art" is a pile of tripe too.

Evolution theory is as simple as simple gets. "Why didn't I think of that?" Huxley said, as if somebody had told him the spectacles he was looking for were on his head.

I am much more on board with it than any of you anti-IDers are. I work in the world where only the fittest survive. I don't get any income from governmental institutions. I'm selected in. I've worked in governmental institutions and I know what goes on. And it's not evolution. It's featherbedding and who you know.

I've managed a football team. There's no cosy brown nosing in that.

You're full of ****. Creaming the taxpayers with cunning words.

How can a socialist be a Darwinian?



Xenoche
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 07:44 am
@spendius,
It's been 6 months since I've been on here, and I see spendius still hasn't got a clue.
Like the man himself said,"The same old load of bollocks"

He's truly stuck in a rut O' stupor.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 07:58 am
@Xenoche,
No wonder you leave us for long stretches of time Xenoche. I don't suppose you saw my post about insignificant words.

An odd person or two comes in the pub once in a while like as if they think we have been missing them.

To what do we owe the privelege of you dropping in on us again after such a long absence. Is Taurus the Bull in conjunction with Uranus or something?
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 08:00 am
@Xenoche,
Oh---while you're here we may as well have the benefit of your wisdom. Can you explain to effemm how a Darwinian can be a socialist?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 08:20 am
@Xenoche,
Xenoche wrote:
It's been 6 months since I've been on here, and I see spendius still hasn't got a clue.

His goal is to troll. He doesn't want a clue. So I would think he's probably quite pleased with how he's driven this thread.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 08:24 am
@rosborne979,
I wonder how ros knows that seeing as how he has me on Ignore.

How does he know I haven't mended my ways.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2009 09:06 am
TEXAS UPDATE
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Bible class and the governor’s race
(Rebecca Counts, Opinion Essay, The Daily Texan, August 10, 2009)

It’s no wonder the American Civil Liberties Union is concerned about the state of religious freedom in Texas.

There is the recent announcement that the Legislature is forcing schools to teach elective classes about the Bible if as few as 15 students are interested.

The law offers no stipulations on how teachers of these classes need to be trained, saying only that the classes “shall not endorse, favor, or promote, or disfavor or show hostility toward, any particular religion or nonreligious faith or religious perspective.” As many have pointed out, the lack of clear requirements brings teachers of such courses into dangerous, lawsuit-ridden waters.

My pastor went to school for more than eight years before he began teaching about the historical and cultural implications of the Bible. The best these public school teachers got was a week long seminar voluntarily provided by the University.

The larger problem with this law is its narrow focus on the Bible, not any other religious text. What if 15 students were interested in learning about the Quran? Surely, a law that picks one religion for instruction will not withstand a constitutional challenge.

This requirement, however, is only the latest in a string of developments in which Texas education is putting religious freedom at risk.

The Texas Board of Education is also considering a change to current American history curriculum that would emphasize the influence of Christianity and de-emphasize the tradition of separation of church and state, as the Austin American-Statesman reported last month. Gov. Perry appointed a noted creationist to head the State Board of Education, and new language in the curriculum code makes creationism easier to sneak into biology classes.

If this is the stamp Gov. Perry wants to leave on our education system, we need to start searching for a sensible replacement as soon as possible. Astonishingly, the other gubernatorial candidates have been nearly silent on the failure of our political process to make sensible educational reforms.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison’s Web site lists “science and education” as one of her issues, but the articles included under the heading addresses only science " not any other area of education reform. Larry Kilgore, a Christian activist and Republican gubernatorial hopeful, discusses education on his Facebook page only to note that “Washington & Austin usurps [sic] the authority of local school districts.”

Democrat Tom Schieffer, who announced his candidacy for governor last March, neglects to include any substantive criticism of the current education system on his Web site, saying only that “we cannot give up on public education.”

Even Kinky Friedman is letting us down, remaining oddly silent on this issue.

Anyone else ready to join the race?
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2009 11:17 am
@rosborne979,
He's only a back seat driver.
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