Dem view on $10/gallon

Democrats are not interested in helping the average American, especially the poor. They want this problem to reach $10.00 so they can push their so called "green agenda" yet to date have done NOTHING to even start acting on behalf of their own agenda.

Not that the republicans are offering any better solutions. however, they at least have a plan.

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woiyo wrote:

Democrats are not interested in helping the average American, especially the poor. They want this problem to reach $10.00 so they can push their so called "green agenda" yet to date have done NOTHING to even start acting on behalf of their own agenda.

Not that the republicans are offering any better solutions. however, they at least have a plan.

I disagree that they have done 'nothing.' Four times this year, Republicans in the Senate have blocked legislation that would increase the funding for renewable energy research and extend the tax credit for solar and wind instillations. The GOP filibustered each time, even when other oil exploration benefits were included to sweeten the deal. So don't peddle this bullshit. The Dems are trying, the GOP is denying. That's their plan; to do nothing about renewable energy.

Cycloptichorn

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"I'd like to spend some taxpayer money."

"But spending the money that way won't do any good."

"But, I wanna spend the money. Can I spend the money when gas hits $5.00/gal?"

"WTF? Spending the money that way won't affect the price of gas any more than sighting a comet would."

"But, I wanna spend the money. Can I spend the money when gas hits $7.50/gal?"

"Dude. Listen to me. It ain't gonna happen."

"But, I wanna spend the money. Can I spend the money when gas hits $10/gal?"

"You can spend that money when monkeys fly out of my butt. How's that for a deal?"

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Democrats are not interested in helping the average American, especially the poor. They want this problem to reach $10.00 so they can push their so called "green agenda" yet to date have done NOTHING to even start acting on behalf of their own agenda.

Not that the republicans are offering any better solutions. however, they at least have a plan.

I disagree that they have done 'nothing.' Four times this year, Republicans in the Senate have blocked legislation that would increase the funding for renewable energy research and extend the tax credit for solar and wind instillations. The GOP filibustered each time, even when other oil exploration benefits were included to sweeten the deal. So don't peddle this bullshit. The Dems are trying, the GOP is denying. That's their plan; to do nothing about renewable energy.

Cycloptichorn

You are a liar.

Pelosi blocks offshore drilling vote GOP wants

Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Friday, August 1, 2008
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(08-01) 04:00 PDT Washington --

For weeks, pressure has been mounting in Congress to approve more domestic oil drilling, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has held the line, using her power to block a vote on offshore drilling.

President Bush has made almost daily calls for Democratic leaders to take action. House GOP leaders, citing a new poll showing that a slim majority of Californians now favor offshore drilling, issued a release Thursday saying "even (Pelosi's) own California neighbors oppose her efforts to block new drilling far off American coasts." GOP lawmakers are so disgruntled they're urging Bush to deny Congress its August break by calling a special session on energy.
Some Democrats wary

Even some Democrats are getting antsy, fearing the party's stance could hurt them in the fall elections. But Pelosi, who has opposed offshore drilling throughout her two decades in Congress, insists opening new areas to drilling won't lower gas prices in the short term. She believes a vote would only help the GOP blame Democrats for high gas prices.

"I will not ... give the administration an excuse for its failure," Pelosi said at an end-of-session roundtable interview Thursday.

Republicans have put a bull's-eye on the federal moratorium on coastal drilling, which has kept most of the East and West coasts off limits to new oil rigs since 1982. Bush announced earlier this month that he would lift the presidential moratorium on drilling, and the GOP is now seeking to lift the congressional ban.

Pelosi drew derision from her critics for telling the Web site Politico this week that she was blocking a vote on offshore drilling because "I'm trying to save the planet." But she elaborated on that theme Thursday, saying she sees energy independence and fighting global warming as "my flagship issue." She said she will use her power to resist a policy that could increase the country's oil dependency.

"I'm not going to be diverted for a political tactic from a course of action that has a big-picture view - a vision about an energy-independent future that reduces our dependence on fossil fuels ... and focuses on those renewables that are protective of the environment," she said.

Republicans are quietly gleeful at Pelosi's tactics, which have only breathed more life into an issue the GOP is clinging to as a lifeline in an otherwise grim year for the party. Some House Republicans said Thursday that they will ask Bush to order a special session of Congress in August if lawmakers adjourn this week, as expected, without voting on drilling.

While a special session is unlikely, House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, made clear that his party plans to use the issue as a bludgeon against Democrats throughout the five-week August recess.

"A solid majority of Americans want us to have more drilling for more American-made energy, and they aren't going to take no for an answer," Boehner said Thursday. "Speaker Pelosi, Senators (Harry) Reid and (Barack) Obama are defying the will of the American people, and they're doing so at their own risk."

Some Democrats have already started to shift their views. Rep. Tim Holden, D-Pa., who voted two years ago against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and for a federal ban on offshore drilling, told a hometown paper last weekend he now wants to "drill everywhere."

A new CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that 69 percent of Americans favor more offshore drilling, while 30 percent oppose it. But the poll found the public was split over whether more coastal drilling would lower gas prices, with 51 percent saying yes and 49 percent saying no."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/31/MNSH122TA3.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

The Republicans are offering a bullsh!t plan equal to the democrats bullsh!t plan. Each plan independently sucks and Bella Pelosi refuses to negotiate a compromise with the minority.

Oh, wait, Obama has a GREAT idea.....

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Friday announced an "Emergency Economic Plan" that would give families a stimulus check of $1,000 each, funded in part by what his presidential campaign calls "windfall profits from Big Oil."

Details are in this six-page policy paper.

The first part of Obama's plan is an emergency energy rebate ($500 to individual workers, $1,000 to families) as soon as this fall.

"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said. "Or, if you live in a state where it gets very cold in the winter, it will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills or even to pay down debt "

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12237.html

And there you have it. These are the a$$holes you support.

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You do know that Pelosi serves in the House, and I said 'Republicans in the SENATE,' right? Which makes you completely wrong about what I wrote. Right? I mean, surely you aren't stupid enough to mistake the two. Are you?

This is just from today; this is the fourth time this year the Republicans have blocked it.

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/07/31/gop-lawmakers-block-renewable-energy-credit-bill/

Cycloptichorn

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Let's not forget this GREAT IDEA from Obama.....

Yesterday in Missouri, the presumptive Democratic nominee had a suggestion for voters: Pump up your tires.

To improve your mileage.

To thus save energy.

"There are things that you can do individually though to save energy," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said. "Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much."

We need that $1,000 in quarters Sir to blow up our tires!!!

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Basic reality here is that dems and Ewhacks have now had nearly 40 years to replace all of the old Gaia-hateful technologies with windmills and solar panels and it hasn't happened. You have to assume it isn't going to happen.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

You do know that Pelosi serves in the House, and I said 'Republicans in the SENATE,' right? Which makes you completely wrong about what I wrote. Right? I mean, surely you aren't stupid enough to mistake the two. Are you?

This is just from today; this is the fourth time this year the Republicans have blocked it.

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/07/31/gop-lawmakers-block-renewable-energy-credit-bill/

Cycloptichorn

DEMOCRATS GOT NO ****!NG PLAN!

REPUBLICANS GOT NO ****!NG PLAN!!

You are the stupid one for supporting these criminals and pretending one crime family is "better" than the other!

I am continually amazed at the depth of ignorance you portray. Do you actually hold a job?

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You should also know that the majority of oil and gas leases on PUBLIC land (that's your land, boys) aren't being used to produce oil and gas.

Quote:

WASHINGTON - Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn't producing any oil or gas, federal records show, even as the Bush administration pushes to open more environmentally sensitive public lands for oil and gas development.

An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.

How much exploration has occurred on the nearly 30 million acres of non-producing public land leases is difficult to say. BLM officials could provide no details on the number of exploratory wells drilled on those leases, despite repeated requests for that information over the past two months.

The oil companies would rather hold the lease value as an asset to offset debt rather than drill.

Joe(But let's open up 40 MORE million acres offshore)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

You should also know that the majority of oil and gas leases on PUBLIC land (that's your land, boys) aren't being used to produce oil and gas.

Quote:
WASHINGTON - Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn't producing any oil or gas, federal records show, even as the Bush administration pushes to open more environmentally sensitive public lands for oil and gas development.

An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.

How much exploration has occurred on the nearly 30 million acres of non-producing public land leases is difficult to say. BLM officials could provide no details on the number of exploratory wells drilled on those leases, despite repeated requests for that information over the past two months.

The oil companies would rather hold the lease value as an asset to offset debt rather than drill.

Joe(But let's open up 40 MORE million acres offshore)Nation

Can't pull one past you big fella. Rolling Eyes

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Jimmy arter tried to wean us off oil but companies and even the taxpayer did not seem to be interested. We are paying for it now.

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NickFun wrote:

Jimmy arter tried to wean us off oil but companies and even the taxpayer did not seem to be interested. We are paying for it now.

Huh????? Maybe the CONGRESS should be included in your list of those who helped him DO NOTHING along with every other President and member of Congress for the past 30 years.

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woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
You do know that Pelosi serves in the House, and I said 'Republicans in the SENATE,' right? Which makes you completely wrong about what I wrote. Right? I mean, surely you aren't stupid enough to mistake the two. Are you?

This is just from today; this is the fourth time this year the Republicans have blocked it.

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/07/31/gop-lawmakers-block-renewable-energy-credit-bill/

Cycloptichorn

DEMOCRATS GOT NO ****!NG PLAN!

REPUBLICANS GOT NO ****!NG PLAN!!

You are the stupid one for supporting these criminals and pretending one crime family is "better" than the other!

I am continually amazed at the depth of ignorance you portray. Do you actually hold a job?

Okay, here's the thing: I don't really care how cynical you are. It's your right to be as jaded as you like.

But in this case, you are flat out wrong. You accused me of being incorrect about something that I was in fact correct about. Then, when called on this, you puffed up like a scared cat and started blathering about how nobody has any plan and they are all criminals.

Fine with me if that's your opinion, but you were 100% wrong about what I said; you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about, again. You've really slid downhill this last month, man... can't even have a rational conversation with ya any longer.

Cycloptichorn

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Here is your NEW DIRECTION CONGRESS at work. These are the "children" you support and apparently admire.

"House Dems turn out the lights but GOP keeps talking

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House and turned off the lights and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess.

At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark. But as Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz..) was speaking, the lights went back on, and the microphones have been turned on as well."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/House_Dems_turn_out_out_the_light_but_GOP_keep_talking.html

Do give me anymore of your pseudo intellectual bullsh!t until you acknowledge the absolute truth that this Govt and all it's members do not give a SH!T about oil prices, you, me or anybody else except those who put money in THEIR pocket.

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woiyo wrote:

Here is your NEW DIRECTION CONGRESS at work. These are the "children" you support and apparently admire.

"House Dems turn out the lights but GOP keeps talking

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House and turned off the lights and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess.

At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark. But as Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz..) was speaking, the lights went back on, and the microphones have been turned on as well."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/House_Dems_turn_out_out_the_light_but_GOP_keep_talking.html

Do give me anymore of your psuedo intellectual bullsh!t until you acknowledge the absolute truth that this Govt and all it's members do not give a SH!T about oil prices, you, me or anybody else except those who put money in THEIR pocket.

You continue to ignore and fail to address the fact that you were completely wrong in your initial accusation against me. It's not 'psuedo-intellectual' anything; it's that you are completely factually incorrect.

I could care less where members of the GOP want to meet to discuss their policy ideas. The Dems control the House, and the GOP plan is a non-starter there; and it isn't as if it would lower oil prices or gas prices anyways, as has been patiently explained to you many times.

Cycloptichorn

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Oh, you lucky people in the USA!

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" I could care less where members of the GOP want to meet to discuss their policy ideas. The Dems control the House, and the GOP plan is a non-starter there;"

So because the "dems" have control, there is no need to negotiate?

Looks to me the only the the dems control is the light switch.
You are a fool to support their childish antics. Rolling Eyes

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woiyo wrote:

" I could care less where members of the GOP want to meet to discuss their policy ideas. The Dems control the House, and the GOP plan is a non-starter there;"

So because the "dems" have control, there is no need to negotiate?

Looks to me the only the the dems control is the light switch.
You are a fool to support their childish antics.

They WERE willing to negotiate; the Republican insistence on blocking any money for renewable energy production brought that to a quick halt.

What kind of fool are you, to support the Republicans, woiyo?

Cycloptichorn

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woiyo wrote:

Not that the republicans are offering any better solutions. however, they at least have a plan.

interesting... so they have a plan without solutions? or what?

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