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Dem view on $10/gallon

 
 
slkshock7
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 12:06 pm
Woiyo,
Go ahead and let the Dems go back to their million-dollar homes for the summer. As I see it, this can only back-fire on the Dems. Voters this November will remember the pain they pay each week at the pump much more than the pain they felt a year ago when the war was on its butt.

The Dems still seem to think that the emotion of those long ago days when nothing was going right in Iraq will be their ticket to the white house. They are sorely mistaken...the war is going too well now. What voters will remember is the cost of gas and that the Dems went home without offering any relief of any kind.

Come November, even McCain's so-called flip-flops on off-shore drilling will be seen as a valiant attempt by those in the GOP to provide relief. On the other hand, the Dems will be seen to have done nothing but uncompromisingly argue that alternative energy is the only acceptable option and the pain we feel is necessary to "save the world".
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 12:20 pm
woiyo wrote:
Let's not forget this GREAT IDEA from Obama.....

Yesterday in Missouri, the presumptive Democratic nominee had a suggestion for voters: Pump up your tires.

To improve your mileage.

To thus save energy.

"There are things that you can do individually though to save energy," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said. "Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much."

We need that $1,000 in quarters Sir to blow up our tires!!!


Dont be to hasty.
Obama is correct.

Proper tire inflation could indeed save as much oil as we could get with new drilling. In a mere 11,308 years.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/021122.php?df
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 12:23 pm
mysteryman wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Let's not forget this GREAT IDEA from Obama.....

Yesterday in Missouri, the presumptive Democratic nominee had a suggestion for voters: Pump up your tires.

To improve your mileage.

To thus save energy.

"There are things that you can do individually though to save energy," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said. "Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much."

We need that $1,000 in quarters Sir to blow up our tires!!!


Dont be to hasty.
Obama is correct.

Proper tire inflation could indeed save as much oil as we could get with new drilling. In a mere 11,308 years.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/021122.php?df


What an idiotic post. It compares the total amount of oil 'estimated' present in various untapped sources, to the amount per year that would be saved by proper tire inflation; It does NOT compare it to the amount of oil which could be PUMPED per year. It's a false equivalence. And you lapped it right up.

And we have to have a conversation about 'oil shale' sometime, which isn't really oil at all, but pre-fossilized fuels, which might be oil in a million years or so; the extraction and refining of it is ridiculously wasteful and energy-intensive, and it's idiocy to even consider it.

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 01:06 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
" I could care less where members of the GOP want to meet to discuss their policy ideas. The Dems control the House, and the GOP plan is a non-starter there;"

So because the "dems" have control, there is no need to negotiate?

Looks to me the only the the dems control is the light switch.
You are a fool to support their childish antics. Rolling Eyes


They WERE willing to negotiate; the Republican insistence on blocking any money for renewable energy production brought that to a quick halt.

What kind of fool are you, to support the Republicans, woiyo?

Cycloptichorn


You can't read either can you!!!! I support NO ONE party! Both parties are failures .
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 01:10 pm
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
" I could care less where members of the GOP want to meet to discuss their policy ideas. The Dems control the House, and the GOP plan is a non-starter there;"

So because the "dems" have control, there is no need to negotiate?

Looks to me the only the the dems control is the light switch.
You are a fool to support their childish antics. Rolling Eyes


They WERE willing to negotiate; the Republican insistence on blocking any money for renewable energy production brought that to a quick halt.

What kind of fool are you, to support the Republicans, woiyo?

Cycloptichorn


You can't read either can you!!!! I support NO ONE party! Both parties are failures .


No, you support the Republicans. You consistently champion their positions on issues and criticize the Dems constantly. That's what a Republican supporter does. I don't care what you wish to call it.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 01:23 pm
woiyo wrote:
Democrats are not interested in helping the average American, especially the poor.
They want this problem to reach $10.00 so they can push their so called "green agenda" yet to date have done NOTHING to even start acting on behalf of their own agenda.


Yep, the democrats are the "do as I say - not as I do" party.
They don't give a **** about the people, they only care about their people and their power.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 01:28 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
" I could care less where members of the GOP want to meet to discuss their policy ideas. The Dems control the House, and the GOP plan is a non-starter there;"

So because the "dems" have control, there is no need to negotiate?

Looks to me the only the the dems control is the light switch.
You are a fool to support their childish antics. Rolling Eyes


They WERE willing to negotiate; the Republican insistence on blocking any money for renewable energy production brought that to a quick halt.

What kind of fool are you, to support the Republicans, woiyo?

Cycloptichorn


You can't read either can you!!!! I support NO ONE party! Both parties are failures .


No, you support the Republicans. You consistently champion their positions on issues and criticize the Dems constantly. That's what a Republican supporter does. I don't care what you wish to call it.

Cycloptichorn


I have to vote for someone who has a chance of winning I suppose. However, I am not a registered Republican, nor do I give money to any candidate.

They need to earn my vote and I will criticize and have criticized both parties for their failed policies. Unlike you who can find no fault in any democrat.

That's why you are a little sheep!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 01:46 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Not that the republicans are offering any better solutions. however, they at least have a plan.


interesting... so they have a plan without solutions? or what?

You DID hear about that little invasion they planned a few years ago, right?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 03:30 pm
With the soaring price of oil leading to a spurt in the cost of everything, from food to consumer items, the scene is set for the inflation to climb. Buffeted by the sub-prime mortgage crisis for the past year, a slump in the housing market and rising inflation, US Federal Reserve Bank and Treasury Department chiefs are scrambling to defuse one crisis after another and keep recession at bay.

Recent history shows that when the US is in recession, the party in power in Washington loses. That's what happened to President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, in 1980 and to George H.W. Bush, a Republican, in 1992.

A decline in oil price is a prerequisite for circumventing recession. And that's linked with excluding military action against Iran.

As it is, of the four topmost policymakers in Washington, Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice remain committed to pursuing diplomacy, with Vice President Dick Cheney favoring military strikes. Bush continues to display a split mind - a contrast to what happened in 2003, when Bush, Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were all for invading Iraq and ignored the ambivalent Secretary of State Colin Powell. Now, fearing a calamitous petroleum price hike caused by nervous oil traders,

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080731&fname=iran&sid=1&pn=2
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 06:14 pm
rama wrote :

Quote:
With the soaring price of oil ...


last time i checked people were happily paying $1 for a 1/2 liter bottle of PLAIN WATER at the service station . as long as people pay $2 for a liter of water , gasoline seems a bargain !
hbg
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 06:18 pm
Hamburger
There are million people who search a drop of water to work more than 12 hours..
Ibeg you to expose hypocracy .
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 09:23 pm
I assume everybody here has watched the video...

The thing reminded me of a bible story, i.e.

Quote:

GEN 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

GEN 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

GEN 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are
therein?

GEN 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

GEN 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

GEN 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes:

GEN 18:28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

GEN 18:29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

GEN 18:30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

GEN 18:31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

GEN 18:32 And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

GEN 18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.



The dems are basically saying something like "Hey, we don't give a flying **** if the sorry-assed people have to pay TEN dollars a gallon for gas and send that money to our nation's enemies to do it. **** em, let em eat **** and die, all we care about is power!!!!"
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 10:33 pm
The Dems want the energy shockwaves to hit the economy hard.

Dem calls for nationalizing the oil companies will give you a hint as to why.

With Dems in control of energy and health care by the end of Obama's term, they will have a great head start on building a socialist economy.

It's the same play in a different industry.

Create a perception of crisis, interfere to the point where market forces are hampered and swoop in to take over.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 06:06 am
Apparently, the dems dont even want to vote on offshore drilling.
Nancy Pelosi seems to think its her "personal politburo, and not the US House of Reps.

I gotta give the repubs credit, this makes the dems look bad, IMHO.

Quote:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House and turned off the lights and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.
Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recessÂ…
"This is the people's House," Rep, Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) said. "This is not Pelosi's politiburo."
Democratic aides were furious at the GOP stunt, and reporters were kicked out of the Speaker's Lobby, the space next to the House floor where they normally interview lawmakers.
"You're not covering this, are you?" complaing one senior Democratic aide. Another called the Republicans "morons" for staying on the floorÂ…
The scene on the floor is kind of crazy. Normally, members are not allowed to speak directly to the visitor galleries, or visitors are prohibited from cheering. But in this case, the members are walking up and down on the floor during their speeches, standing on cheers, the visitors are cheering loudly. Some members even brought in visitors, who are now sitting on the House floor in the seats normally filled by lawmakers, cheering and clapping. Very funny.


http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/01/blackout-pelosi-turns-off-the-lights-as-gop-demands-action-on-drilling/

I dont know what it actually accomplished however.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 06:23 am
http://www.geeksoncaffeine.com/images/CARTOONS/2008-08-03.jpg

http://www.geeksoncaffeine.com
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 06:31 am
The basic problem: A nation like Italy with a dozen political parties could afford to have one of the dozen go rogue; with only two parties, we cannot. Having the one party (demokkkrats) go rogue forces the other into unnatural positions to compete, at least usually. This case is unusual and the dems are clearly exposed to the world for who and what they are on it. Piglosi and others naturally want to turn off the lights and/or change the subject, it's all they have.

The problem is that the dems never learned any new skills coming out of the depression, all they even claim to know how to do is represent "victims" and, lacking any sort of a natural constituency which could win elections in a rational way, they try to CREATE "victim" groups where nature does not provide any. The basic problem is that as often as not, the interests of these diverse victim groups conflict and, in the case of the environmentalists, the conflict is against the entire rest of the world and not just against the interests of some other small "victim" group.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 09:53 am
This bears repeating:

Joe Nation wrote:
You should also know that the majority of oil and gas leases on PUBLIC land (that's your land, boys) aren't being used to produce oil and gas.

Quote:
WASHINGTON - Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn't producing any oil or gas, federal records show, even as the Bush administration pushes to open more environmentally sensitive public lands for oil and gas development.

An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.

How much exploration has occurred on the nearly 30 million acres of non-producing public land leases is difficult to say. BLM officials could provide no details on the number of exploratory wells drilled on those leases, despite repeated requests for that information over the past two months.


The oil companies would rather hold the lease value as an asset to offset debt rather than drill.

Joe(But let's open up 40 MORE million acres offshore)Nation
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 11:15 am
the higher gasoline price seems to be able to do what political parties (and americans as a nation) are not able to do on their own :

1) bring down the gasoline consumption ,

2) encourage americans to buy more fuel-efficient cars ,

3) bring down the price of gasoline - at least somewhat .

that can't be all bad , can it ?
hbg
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 11:16 am
DrewDad wrote:
This bears repeating:

Joe Nation wrote:
You should also know that the majority of oil and gas leases on PUBLIC land (that's your land, boys) aren't being used to produce oil and gas.

Quote:
WASHINGTON - Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn't producing any oil or gas, federal records show, even as the Bush administration pushes to open more environmentally sensitive public lands for oil and gas development.

An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.

How much exploration has occurred on the nearly 30 million acres of non-producing public land leases is difficult to say. BLM officials could provide no details on the number of exploratory wells drilled on those leases, despite repeated requests for that information over the past two months.


The oil companies would rather hold the lease value as an asset to offset debt rather than drill.

Joe(But let's open up 40 MORE million acres offshore)Nation


You might want to read the truth, instead of just once side.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_the_democrats_correct_in_stating_that.html

Quote:
And there is a lot of activity occurring on leased lands that does not qualify as "production." For 2006, the BLM reported that there were 77,257 productive holes onshore in the U.S. Beyond that, there were 6,738 applications for drilling permits, 4,708 holes in which companies had begun drilling and 3,693 where drilling had ended among onshore lands. That's a total of more than 15,000 holes that were being proposed, started or finished that do not count as "productive" holes. And that doesn't even include holes that might have been continually drilled throughout the year for exploratory reasons.

It's not known how much of that drilling is taking place on leases currently classified as "non-producing" and how much is taking place on leases that are already producing oil. BLM's Gewecke told us that the agency does not track acreage that is being developed or explored. And Andy Radford, an analyst with the American Petroleum Institute, an industry trade association, told us that the oil companies are "very secretive about announcing where they are testing, exploring and thinking of drilling because the industry is very competitive."
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 11:39 am
MM: You might have noticed that it wasn't the Democrats who were saying "Why aren't you drilling in the leases you have?", it was the Associated Press.

And the difference between "untouched" and "undeveloped" doesn't change anything about what the Associated Press reported.



Joe(not one bit.)Nation
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