Well, somebody had better drill somewhere soon. Supply vs demand has a big share of the responsibility for the price, and talking about drilling but not doing it doesn't count.
slkshock7 wrote:Woiyo,
Go ahead and let the Dems go back to their million-dollar homes for the summer. As I see it, this can only back-fire on the Dems. Voters this November will remember the pain they pay each week at the pump much more than the pain they felt a year ago when the war was on its butt.
Come November, even McCain's so-called flip-flops on off-shore drilling will be seen as a valiant attempt by those in the GOP to provide relief.
You might well be right for it's a big mistake to underestimate the rank stupidity of the American voter.
Quote:
The McCain Strategy Is Vintage Karl Rove, the Media Loves It, and the
Obama Camp Is Not Taking It Seriously Enough
by Paul Abrams
Posted August 3, 2008
The Obama Camp seems not to grasp fully what is going on. Responding in logical, measured terms that rationally pushes back on McCain's ads, they are missing the emotional side of the attacks that is the determining factor in 98% of decisionmaking, and, thus, voting.
Using mockery McCain is trying to undermine, at the level of emotions, Obama's charisma and the passions his candidacy stirs both in the US and around the world. Obama ought to begin by reminding people, "these are the same people, using the same tactics, that brought us George W Bush, and look what a disaster he is."
slkshock7 wrote:
On the other hand, the Dems will be seen to have done nothing but uncompromisingly argue that alternative energy is the only acceptable option and the pain we feel is necessary to "save the world"
See what I mean.
JTT wrote:slkshock7 wrote:Woiyo,
Go ahead and let the Dems go back to their million-dollar homes for the summer. As I see it, this can only back-fire on the Dems. Voters this November will remember the pain they pay each week at the pump much more than the pain they felt a year ago when the war was on its butt.
Come November, even McCain's so-called flip-flops on off-shore drilling will be seen as a valiant attempt by those in the GOP to provide relief.
You might well be right for it's a big mistake to underestimate the rank stupidity of the American voter.
....or the rank stupidity of the Dems in Congress. During Bill Clinton's first campaign his most astute advisor, James Carville said "it's the economy, stupid" and they rode that mantra all the way to the White House. Now the mantra is "it's the cost of gas, stupid" and the Democrats have conceded the issue over to the Republicans...who will ride it all the way to the White House.
slkshock7 wrote:JTT wrote:slkshock7 wrote:Woiyo,
Go ahead and let the Dems go back to their million-dollar homes for the summer. As I see it, this can only back-fire on the Dems. Voters this November will remember the pain they pay each week at the pump much more than the pain they felt a year ago when the war was on its butt.
Come November, even McCain's so-called flip-flops on off-shore drilling will be seen as a valiant attempt by those in the GOP to provide relief.
You might well be right for it's a big mistake to underestimate the rank stupidity of the American voter.
....or the rank stupidity of the Dems in Congress. During Bill Clinton's first campaign his most astute advisor, James Carville said "it's the economy, stupid" and they rode that mantra all the way to the White House. Now the mantra is "it's the cost of gas, stupid" and the Democrats have conceded the issue over to the Republicans...who will ride it all the way to the White House.
You idiots labor under the misconception that you have a god-given right to cheap fossil fuels. But I agree with you, the Republicans are pumping these lies with the same wild abandon as they've pumped all their other lies. Two things in their favor, their lies and the stupidity of conservative voters.
I'll say it again:
The basic problem is that a nation like Italy with a dozen political parties could afford to have one of the dozen go rogue; with only two parties, we cannot. Having the one party (demokkkrats) go rogue forces the other into unnatural positions to compete, at least usually. This case is unusual and the dems are clearly exposed to the world for who and what they are on it. Piglosi and others naturally want to turn off the lights and/or change the subject, it's all they have.
The problem is that the dems never learned any new skills coming out of the depression, all they even claim to know how to do is represent "victims" and, lacking any sort of a natural constituency which could win elections in a rational way, they try to CREATE "victim" groups where nature does not provide any. The basic problem is that as often as not, the interests of these diverse victim groups conflict and, in the case of the environmentalists, the conflict is against the entire rest of the world and not just against the interests of some other small "victim" group.
These people (envirowhacks) want to reduce the planet's human population to medieval levels for the greater glory of Gaia. This is a form of idolatry, albeit not strictly comparable with any of the stories about idolatry in the Old Testament because nobody in ancient times ever sought to sacrafice entire nations to idols.
gungasnake wrote:I'll say it again:
The basic problem is that a nation like Italy with a dozen political parties could afford to have one of the dozen go rogue; with only two parties, we cannot.
You can say it a thousand times, it's still just snake oil.
Quote:
The Strange Death of Republican America
On July 29, President George W. Bush appeared at the Lincoln Electric Company in Euclid, Ohio, where he spoke about energy and then asked the audience for questions. The opportunity for people in a small town in the Midwest to pose a question directly to the president of the United States is a rare one, possibly a once in a lifetime experience. "And now I'd like to answer some questions, if you have any," said Bush. But his request was returned with silence. Bush filled the air with an awkward joke: "After seven-and-a-half years, if I can't figure out how to dodge them, I shouldn't..." The audience tittered nervously. Bush continued, "If you don't have any questions, I can tell you a lot of interesting stories." The crowd laughed again, but no one raised a hand. "Okay," said Bush, "I'll tell you a story."
Despite the daily tracking polls and the back-and-forth of the candidates, the underlying story of the 2008 presidential campaign remains the Bush presidency and how it brought about the end of the long era of Republican political dominance that began in 1968 with the election of Richard Nixon. That story is the subject of my new book, "The Strange Death of Republican America: Chronicles of a Collapsing Party."
Bush has the lowest sustained popularity among modern presidents. The Republican Party has fallen farther behind the Democratic Party in party identification and favorable ratings than it has in decades. Democrats are poised to make dramatic gains in their numbers in the House of Representatives and the Senate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/the-strange-death-of-repu_b_116816.html
hbg wrote on sunday :
Quote:the higher gasoline price seems to be able to do what political parties (and americans as a nation) are not able to do on their own :
1) bring down the gasoline consumption ,
2) encourage americans to buy more fuel-efficient cars ,
3) bring down the price of gasoline - at least somewhat .
that can't be all bad , can it ?
hbg
and what are today's news ?
Quote:Oil prices fall on demand fears
August 05, 2008 12:05pm
OIL prices fell in Asian trade today as fears about slowing US demand outweighed the increasing likelihood of heightened tensions over Iran's controversial nuclear programme, dealers said.
In morning trade, New York's main contract, light sweet crude for September delivery fell $US1.07 to $US120.34 a barrel from $US121.41 at the close of floor trading in the United States yesterday.
London's Brent North Sea crude for September delivery dropped 77 cents to $US119.91.
i think i'm brilliant - even if i say so myself !
:wink:
source :
OIL DEMAND DROPS
You make it sound like that's good news... the drop in prices is, the drop in demand isn't. I'd assume that gasoline needs to be under $3/gallon somewhere to prevent the American economy or large segments of it from ultimately collapsing.
Right now you have a lot of poeple driving to work and to church once a week and the grocery store once a week, and that's every bit of it. That is not good news.
So we should be impressed with 120 pr barrell?
